We have to ask ourselves if Kawhi was playing in the 7th game vs the Cavs this year and not Brown would he have been better for us?
I think Ainge knows he needs his defense on Bron, KD and Harden...while getting 20 himself.
Can Brown do that? I think he can he's not there yet.
As a 21 year old, Brown averaged 18 points and 5 rebounds, while defending the other team's best player. He also had a bum hamstring.
As a 21 year old, Leonard averaged 14 points and 9 rebounds, while defending the other team's best player.
As a 22 year old, Leonard averaged 14 points and 7 rebounds, while defending the other team's best player. This run included a 4 point game, a 7 point game, and a 6 point game. It also included two 9 point games in the finals.
As a 23 year old, the Spurs were eliminated by the Clippers in the first round of the playoffs. Leonard had 12 points and 13 points in games 6 and 7, both of which were losses.
The concept that, because Brown struggled in game 7, it means his ceiling isn't as high as Leonard, is flawed.
We're not trading for Kawhi at 21, 22, or 23. If Kawhi is healthy, he is better than Brown, and any reasonable expectation of what Brown turns into. I have high hopes for Brown, but Leonard is a two time DPOY and MVP candidate
Disagree but neither of us will say anything new and neither of us will convince the other.
The argument that was made (and has been made in other places) was regarding Jaylen's upside due to his poor last game. That argument is flawed. That was my only point.
No, your premise is flawed. I said that last game vs Cavs because ultimately that's what all this boils down too. Getting Kawhi now is what's important. We know Brown will eventually get better but how much is the question.
In order for Ainge to regret this trade Brown would have to be the DPOY multiple times, and be a top 5 player in the league within 5 years. Is that possible?
Of course its possible that Brown could be that good, but your point is that the odds are that he won't.
I would say that Jaylen's odds of becoming an occasional all star are about 25%
His odds of being Paul George good are about 50%
His odds of being top 5 good are about 25%
Jaylen has a huge upside.
You are also ignoring the very real possibility that Kawhi Leonard doesn't have problems going forward. Last year was disturbing on several levels. It is hardly a sure bet that he comes back as if nothing had happened. There is a very real possibility that Jaylen is the better player in a year or two.
you are basically saying there is a 75% chance brown ends up Paul George at the least.
That’s wildly optimistic. The most likely scenario, by far, is that he peaks out as a fringe star that never makes an allstar team.
Brown might end up terrific, but his ceiling is stil lower than prime kawhi. Best case scenario he ends up like jimmy butler.
I just dont know how anybody can make such a definite statement about his potential. He is already better or comparable to Butler, George, Kawhi, Hayward at age 21. Given that all those guys became all stars or better the statement thay Brown is bery unlikely to be that good seems obviously flawed
Now I agree that Brown is unlikely to be as good as Kawhi, but given thay Kawhi made that leap in a similar situation (hard worker, raw talent lacking skills, good coach, winning team) its not impossible.
And he doesnt need to reach peak Kawhi for us to regret a deal. Maybe he is just a Paul George level, his is still younger. cheaper, healthier and for all those reasons it could end up a bad trade. Im not saying u dont do it, but we have to be award it could go bad.