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Celtics Talk / Re: Blown leads
« Last post by rocknrollforyoursoul on Today at 06:17:44 PM »
Blowing a 10-point lead in the "3-pointers or bust" era isn't a big deal, as it takes only 3 shots to pretty much make up that deficit, but blowing a 30-point lead is a good bit harder to do, even with all the threes.

But blown leads are just one part of Boston's larger "end of quarter/end of game" issue—blowing leads, offense stagnating to the low-efficiency (and entirely predictable) Tatum isos, allowing opponents to go on miniruns that significantly cut into Boston's lead.
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Game Threads / Re: Celtics (57-15) at Hawks (33-39) Game #73 3/28/24
« Last post by Donoghus on Today at 05:07:38 PM »
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Celtics Injury Report Update vs. Atlanta tonight:

Jrue Holiday - Right AC Joint Sprain - QUESTIONABLE 
Al Horford - Left Big Toe Sprain - OUT
Jaden Springer - Left Knee Tendinopathy - OUT
Xavier Tillman - AVAILABLE

This likely means Holiday will warm up and then decide
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Last post by Celtics2021 on Today at 05:04:02 PM »
JT mentioned that the fans yell a lot more @#$% with the advent of sports betting.

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During a media availability on Wednesday, Celtics forward Jayson Tatum was asked about the topic of sports betting.

Tatum said he’d only “briefly seen” the gambling-related stories involving fellow athletes Shohei Ohtani and Jontay Porter earlier in the week, and declined to comment on them specifically.

On the general subject of sports betting, Tatum acknowledged that the dynamic of legalized gambling has altered fans’ treatment of players.

“Fans yell s*** all the time,” Tatum explained. “Shoot one more three, get one more rebound, get 25 before the half is over. So that’s definitely a part of it, for sure.”

“It wasn’t like that my first few years,” he added. “It definitely has changed. I guess when you hit people’s parlays and do good for them, they tell me. But then they also talk s*** if I’m on the court and I didn’t get 29 in a half, or whatever I was supposed to do.”

Acknowledging that he sees the pressure fans place on players—and continues to hear it on the court—Tatum reiterated that he’s only focused on trying to help the Celtics win.

“Yeah, you see people on Twitter,” said Tatum. “Fans going back-and-forth with players on Twitter about how you lost them money. I guess it’s kind of funny. I don’t know. I guess I do feel bad when I don’t hit people’s parlays. I don’t want to them lose money, but yeah know I just go out there and try to play the game.”

https://www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2024/03/28/jayson-tatum-sports-betting-nba-fan-comments-parlays/?p1=hp_featurestack

I’m not opposed to gambling, I visit the casino a couple times a year, but I think the everyday sports betting thing is a little much.  Not that I think everyone is betting every day, but the lines are a constant on sports radio, the sports TV channels, during Cs broadcasts.  And as in the example Tatum uses, the bets often have nothing to do with wins and losses.  I don’t like the idea that a player is even aware of how many points he needs to match the line, or that they might think that a lot of people will be impacted if they don’t get back in a game and get the 10 points they need for the over.  And how easy is it for a pal to call or text that they have money on you -  “you gotta score 25 tonight”… ?

I’ve never placed a sports bet and probably never will so clearly I’m not the right person to judge, but I think there’s way too much focus on betting and I wish we could turn the clocks back a bit on it. Not get rid of it, but not make it so accessible and all encompassing.

It’s a tough call.  There are definitely addicts out there.  I bet small amounts on these prop bets for fun, and while that sometimes makes me watch a game differently, I can’t imagine yelling at a guy to make another three, etc.  My feeling is it’s the same subset of obnoxious fans that yelled stupid things when they were drunk, and now they’re yelling different stupid things.  Maybe it was easier to block out for the players if it was just about the game writ large, as opposed to specific aspects of the game that the heckler feels personally invested in.

Those type of bets aren’t legal in MA on college games, which I think is good.  I wouldn’t totally hate it if they restricted them in the pros too, but I’m sure those bets turn a ton of profit for the books, based on how much they try to steer you to placing those sorts of bets.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Last post by Neurotic Guy on Today at 04:50:45 PM »
JT mentioned that the fans yell a lot more @#$% with the advent of sports betting.

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During a media availability on Wednesday, Celtics forward Jayson Tatum was asked about the topic of sports betting.

Tatum said he’d only “briefly seen” the gambling-related stories involving fellow athletes Shohei Ohtani and Jontay Porter earlier in the week, and declined to comment on them specifically.

On the general subject of sports betting, Tatum acknowledged that the dynamic of legalized gambling has altered fans’ treatment of players.

“Fans yell s*** all the time,” Tatum explained. “Shoot one more three, get one more rebound, get 25 before the half is over. So that’s definitely a part of it, for sure.”

“It wasn’t like that my first few years,” he added. “It definitely has changed. I guess when you hit people’s parlays and do good for them, they tell me. But then they also talk s*** if I’m on the court and I didn’t get 29 in a half, or whatever I was supposed to do.”

Acknowledging that he sees the pressure fans place on players—and continues to hear it on the court—Tatum reiterated that he’s only focused on trying to help the Celtics win.

“Yeah, you see people on Twitter,” said Tatum. “Fans going back-and-forth with players on Twitter about how you lost them money. I guess it’s kind of funny. I don’t know. I guess I do feel bad when I don’t hit people’s parlays. I don’t want to them lose money, but yeah know I just go out there and try to play the game.”

https://www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2024/03/28/jayson-tatum-sports-betting-nba-fan-comments-parlays/?p1=hp_featurestack

I’m not opposed to gambling, I visit the casino a couple times a year, but I think the everyday sports betting thing is a little much.  Not that I think everyone is betting every day, but the lines are a constant on sports radio, the sports TV channels, during Cs broadcasts.  And as in the example Tatum uses, the bets often have nothing to do with wins and losses.  I don’t like the idea that a player is even aware of how many points he needs to match the line, or that they might think that a lot of people will be impacted if they don’t get back in a game and get the 10 points they need for the over.  And how easy is it for a pal to call or text that they have money on you -  “you gotta score 25 tonight”… ?

I’ve never placed a sports bet and probably never will so clearly I’m not the right person to judge, but I think there’s way too much focus on betting and I wish we could turn the clocks back a bit on it. Not get rid of it, but not make it so accessible and all encompassing.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Last post by ozgod on Today at 03:33:37 PM »
JT mentioned that the fans yell a lot more @#$% with the advent of sports betting.

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During a media availability on Wednesday, Celtics forward Jayson Tatum was asked about the topic of sports betting.

Tatum said he’d only “briefly seen” the gambling-related stories involving fellow athletes Shohei Ohtani and Jontay Porter earlier in the week, and declined to comment on them specifically.

On the general subject of sports betting, Tatum acknowledged that the dynamic of legalized gambling has altered fans’ treatment of players.

“Fans yell s*** all the time,” Tatum explained. “Shoot one more three, get one more rebound, get 25 before the half is over. So that’s definitely a part of it, for sure.”

“It wasn’t like that my first few years,” he added. “It definitely has changed. I guess when you hit people’s parlays and do good for them, they tell me. But then they also talk s*** if I’m on the court and I didn’t get 29 in a half, or whatever I was supposed to do.”

Acknowledging that he sees the pressure fans place on players—and continues to hear it on the court—Tatum reiterated that he’s only focused on trying to help the Celtics win.

“Yeah, you see people on Twitter,” said Tatum. “Fans going back-and-forth with players on Twitter about how you lost them money. I guess it’s kind of funny. I don’t know. I guess I do feel bad when I don’t hit people’s parlays. I don’t want to them lose money, but yeah know I just go out there and try to play the game.”

https://www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2024/03/28/jayson-tatum-sports-betting-nba-fan-comments-parlays/?p1=hp_featurestack
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Last post by Who on Today at 03:31:37 PM »
Mitchell Robinson back in action for the Knicks. Good for them to have him back for the playoffs. NY should keep Hartenstein as the starter. They have a nice rhythm with him.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Blown leads
« Last post by Roy H. on Today at 03:06:36 PM »
https://x.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1773393248859369895?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Haberstroh argues that the C’s should be going more to JB in clutch time than JT, with JB’s usage rate crashing in clutch time and JB having much better overall percentages than JT during clutch time.

I think part of this certainly shot selection, with JB many times more willing/able to get to the basket in those moments. I also think it’s a matchup issue, with JT always getting the better wing defender and Brown getting the lesser defender. But if that’s the case, that’s even more reason to get Brown more  involved to exploit that matchup.

It seems very obvious to me that we need more diversity in the offense down the stretch.  We're too predictable, and shots end up constantly contested because of the lack of ball movement.

Brown should get more shots, and JT should get less.  But KP, White, Jrue, etc., should all see the ball more.  The "put the ball in the hands of your best player" makes sense if your team is top-heavy, but when you have an excellent, offensively balanced team there's no reason to do that.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Blown leads
« Last post by jpotter33 on Today at 02:43:42 PM »
https://x.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1773393248859369895?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Haberstroh argues that the C’s should be going more to JB in clutch time than JT, with JB’s usage rate crashing in clutch time and JB having much better overall percentages than JT during clutch time.

I think part of this certainly shot selection, with JB many times more willing/able to get to the basket in those moments. I also think it’s a matchup issue, with JT always getting the better wing defender and Brown getting the lesser defender. But if that’s the case, that’s even more reason to get Brown more  involved to exploit that matchup.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Blown leads
« Last post by hwangjini_1 on Today at 02:20:31 PM »
and let's add this to the thread as well. the sky may not be falling entirely....



https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/3/28/24114310/doc-rivers-milwaukee-bucks-lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers

2. Are Boston’s clutch woes overstated?
The Celtics lost another close game on Monday, blowing a big lead in Atlanta to fall to 57-15 on the season. The perception that almost every Celtics loss comes in this fashion isn’t wrong: Out of Boston’s 15 losses this season, 11 have come in “clutch” games, meaning the score was within five points in the last five minutes. That tally includes every loss during the team’s current 20-3 stretch since February 1, and it feeds into larger fears about the Celtics’ potential Achilles’ heel in the postseason.

But strictly by the numbers, Boston has survived just fine in the clutch this season. The Celtics have 11 clutch losses, sure, but they also have 20 clutch wins, and their 65 percent win rate in such games ranks fourth in the league. Moreover, the Celtics’ much-derided clutch offense ranks sixth in efficiency (121.8 points per 100 possessions, very similar to their 122.5 offensive rating overall), and the team ranks fifth in clutch defense, too.

It’s hard to trust Boston’s performance in close games given past playoff failures. But a few uncomfortable losses shouldn’t mask the title favorite’s broader strides.
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Last post by Atzar on Today at 01:32:26 PM »
Delano Banton's past two games:  29.5 points, 8.0 rebounds, 7.0 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.0 blocks, 54.5% FG%, 35.0% 3PT%

He's not impacting winning at all, but he's probably helping out some fantasy owners down the stretch.

My read on Banton while he was here was that, strangely, he'd be a better feature guy than a roleplayer.  His "fit in" skills are iffy at best, but he actually has some ability with the ball in his hands and can catch a rhythm with increased minutes/role.  That isn't necessarily a good thing for his career, as players of his talent level NEED to be role players rather than bargain bin star-facsimiles. 

Just a thought I've had that seems relevant, given his recent box scores (caveat:  haven't actually watched him play in Portland, so I may be way off).  Cool to see him find some success though.  Seemed like he did it the right way while he was here and I hope he gets himself paid as a result.
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