10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1
11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.
Quote11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.
Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.
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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.
I'll go ahead and kick things off with 2 suggestions:Quote10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1
Proposed Amendment #1:
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(revised) 10. A majority vote is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.
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Reasoning: at least two amendments failed last year with 9-6 votes. IMO 9 out of 15 votes is still a strong majority (and actually is a stronger majority than an 11-10 vote). They just failed b/c 4-5 GMs didn't vote. A 15 GM quorum would still mean that we have to have 3/4 of the GMs weighing in with a Yes / No / Abstain vote.
This is how the votes required would shake out:
20 votes -- 11-9 to pass
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19 votes -- 10-9 to pass
18 votes -- 10-8 to pass
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17 votes -- 9-8 to pass
16 votes -- 9-7 to pass
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15 votes -- 8-7 to pass
Second.
I'll take Fantasy Baseball for $500, Alex....Second.
What is "where will Ya'll Hate be in the Celticsblog Fantasy Baseball League standings next Monday?"
;D ;D ;D 8)
(sorry YH... couldn't resist)
Quote11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.
Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.
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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.
Second.
I'll go ahead and kick things off with 2 suggestions:Quote10. A majority vote from the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more) is required to amend any league rule.1
Proposed Amendment #1:
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(revised) 10. A majority vote is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.
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Reasoning: at least two amendments failed last year with 9-6 votes. IMO 9 out of 15 votes is still a strong majority (and actually is a stronger majority than an 11-10 vote). They just failed b/c 4-5 GMs didn't vote. A 15 GM quorum would still mean that we have to have 3/4 of the GMs weighing in with a Yes / No / Abstain vote.
This is how the votes required would shake out:
20 votes -- 11-9 to pass
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19 votes -- 10-9 to pass
18 votes -- 10-8 to pass
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17 votes -- 9-8 to pass
16 votes -- 9-7 to pass
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15 votes -- 8-7 to pass
Second.
I'll take Fantasy Baseball for $500, Alex....Second.
What is "where will Ya'll Hate be in the Celticsblog Fantasy Baseball League standings next Monday?"
;D ;D ;D 8)
(sorry YH... couldn't resist)
Someone asked when the rookie draft was going to be.
Per our current constitution it will be in mid-Sept.
We'll vote on a constitutional amendment though to move it (permanently to mid-Aug). If the amendment passes (though it'll need a 11 YES votes) we'll do it the week of Aug. 17
Someone asked when the rookie draft was going to be.
Per our current constitution it will be in mid-Sept.
We'll vote on a constitutional amendment though to move it (permanently to mid-Aug). If the amendment passes (though it'll need a 11 YES votes) we'll do it the week of Aug. 17
I'm down for moving the draft, but I don't think we should do it this year - trying to get the information out in a week or so is bound to cause fights. Some owners may be on vacation or just not checking the site/their email at this time of year.
Someone asked when the rookie draft was going to be.
Per our current constitution it will be in mid-Sept.
We'll vote on a constitutional amendment though to move it (permanently to mid-Aug). If the amendment passes (though it'll need a 11 YES votes) we'll do it the week of Aug. 17
I'm down for moving the draft, but I don't think we should do it this year - trying to get the information out in a week or so is bound to cause fights. Some owners may be on vacation or just not checking the site/their email at this time of year.
These amendments have been proposed, discussed and seconded and will therefore be voted on Aug. 14-17 via Doodle.com
additions in bold italic red
deletions arebold and struckthrough
Constitutional Amendment #1
Move the rookie draft from mid-Sept. to mid-Aug. (Revised article)
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11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-SeptemberAugust.
Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate
Constitutional Amendment #2
Revised vote totals needed for amendments
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10. A majority votefrom the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more)is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.
Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate
There's not been a whole lot of discussion -- i hope that's just folks feeling like things are running smoothly.
I'll be keeping this open for a few more days (till Aug. 12) but if there's no additional amendments we'll move on to voting (which I'll leave open Aug. 13-16) then scheduling the rookie draft.
Oh, and this is entirely dependent on Yahoo, but if possible, I'm in favor of combining the two Fantasy weeks badly abbreviated by the longer All Star break.
Oh, and this is entirely dependent on Yahoo, but if possible, I'm in favor of combining the two Fantasy weeks badly abbreviated by the longer All Star break.
This need not be voted on -- it will be done (manually by me) this season. I checked at the end of last season and saw that I could have, if I'd realized it, changed it in the start of the season.
Replace the Utility roster spot with an inactive spot? I've made similar suggestions in seasons past, but never to enough support. I continue to believe this would help offset the current cost of drafting foreign prospects and somewhat mitigate serious injuries without further depleting the FA talent pool. It would also create more line-up decisions week to week, reward shrewd management.
Increase the number of playoff roster moves allowed from one per week to two per week? Actually, at a glance, I don't see this laid out in the league constitution. We originally allowed unlimited playoff roster moves and I continue to think a better balance could be struck.
Formalize a shortened "review by commissioner" period for draft day deals involving draft picks and trades made at the cut down deadline? Some may remember me briefly quitting in a huff a couple of summers back when a trade of mine was overturned on a timing issue.
Stretch the draft out over two days? This would allow for more draft day dealing/position jockeying, and would be a boon to the bonehead that invariably misses the first round. Somebody does every year.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730Replace the Utility roster spot with an inactive spot? I've made similar suggestions in seasons past, but never to enough support. I continue to believe this would help offset the current cost of drafting foreign prospects and somewhat mitigate serious injuries without further depleting the FA talent pool. It would also create more line-up decisions week to week, reward shrewd management.
I would be in favor of adding an additional inactive roster spot (on Y! and/or the google sheets) for an INJ or drafted INTL player playing over seas. We can call it that "Mirotic is my empty roster spot" rule.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730Replace the Utility roster spot with an inactive spot? I've made similar suggestions in seasons past, but never to enough support. I continue to believe this would help offset the current cost of drafting foreign prospects and somewhat mitigate serious injuries without further depleting the FA talent pool. It would also create more line-up decisions week to week, reward shrewd management.
I would be in favor of adding an additional inactive roster spot (on Y! and/or the google sheets) for an INJ or drafted INTL player playing over seas. We can call it that "Mirotic is my empty roster spot" rule.
I strongly dislike this proposal (and not because I slogged through carrying Mirotic in past seasons --- and got a kick out of posting "Mirotic is my empty roster spot" for what seems like 2 years straight).
I think drafting/holding/adding an overseas player/injured player is one of those "tough" decisions owners have to make. In one of the leagues, can't remember which one, I got Mirotic relatively cheaply from an owner because he didn't want to devote a roster spot. I accepted the harm to my roster for the long term benefit.
Additionally, those unsigned euro's typically provide some intrigue/interest in those top waiver spots when they are unowned and coming into the free agent pool. Sometimes those work out. Sometimes they don't (think I used #1 or #2 on Alexey Shved --- lol).
Finally, the inclusion of "inj" further depletes the already weak free agent pool.
Another proposed amendment.
Stretch the draft out over two days? This would allow for more draft day dealing/position jockeying, and would be a boon to the bonehead that invariably misses the first round. Somebody does every year.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730Formalize a shortened "review by commissioner" period for draft day deals involving draft picks and trades made at the cut down deadline? Some may remember me briefly quitting in a huff a couple of summers back when a trade of mine was overturned on a timing issue.
Second.
Mk
9. For any rule not covered in this constitution, the default Yahoo! rules will apply...
23. In-season trades shall have a 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade.
Another proposed amendment.
Stretch the draft out over two days? This would allow for more draft day dealing/position jockeying, and would be a boon to the bonehead that invariably misses the first round. Somebody does every year.
FWIW we didn't have any missed picks in the first round last year and only the ill-fated Jahyovanone pick missed in the first 38 picks.
While i like this in theory (as a draft nerd), I'm fearful that practically (as commish) that we'd actaully have MORE missed picks in the 2nd round as an unintended consequence.
We'll see what other folks think...
start at 7 cause lot of ppl, including myself, works during the day
I would like to see the draft start around 7 pm..tell everyone to be there..give 5 minutes to pick and if someone picks fast, then start the clock and don't have a time set when ur turn to pick
yea cause I hate missing the draft and I usually do..have to send players I want in order to commish and I miss out on the deals also lolstart at 7 cause lot of ppl, including myself, works during the day
I second this. It has to work for the commish in the end, because conducting the draft is a huge effort on his part, but it would really be great if it was after regular work ours or on a weekend.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730Increase the number of playoff roster moves allowed from one per week to two per week? Actually, at a glance, I don't see this laid out in the league constitution. We originally allowed unlimited playoff roster moves and I continue to think a better balance could be struck.
Second.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730Formalize a shortened "review by commissioner" period for draft day deals involving draft picks and trades made at the cut down deadline? Some may remember me briefly quitting in a huff a couple of summers back when a trade of mine was overturned on a timing issue.
Second.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730
Stretch the draft out over two days? This would allow for more draft day dealing/position jockeying, and would be a boon to the bonehead that invariably misses the first round. Somebody does every year.
Second.
Mk
(2014) Constitutional Amendment #5
New GM Trading Moratorium (new article)
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8. Upon joining or rejoining the league, new GMs must wait 2 months before trading either their own 1st round pick or any top 50 player (by O-Rank) on their roster.
Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by The Walker Wiggle
I strongly dislike this proposal (and not because I slogged through carrying Mirotic in past seasons --- and got a kick out of posting "Mirotic is my empty roster spot" for what seems like 2 years straight).
I think drafting/holding/adding an overseas player/injured player is one of those "tough" decisions owners have to make. In one of the leagues, can't remember which one, I got Mirotic relatively cheaply from an owner because he didn't want to devote a roster spot. I accepted the harm to my roster for the long term benefit.
Additionally, those unsigned euro's typically provide some intrigue/interest in those top waiver spots when they are unowned and coming into the free agent pool. Sometimes those work out. Sometimes they don't (think I used #1 or #2 on Alexey Shved --- lol).
Finally, the inclusion of "inj" further depletes the already weak free agent pool.
I'm generally in agreement with YH on this one.
As this has come up before, I wonder if we need to make a 2 years then wait 2 years rule --- an amendment could be brought up 2 years in a row, but if it fails, it must then wait 2 years to be submitted again.
Trades made on the Yahoo! deadline are still subject to a veto vote and are processed a day or two later. they DON'T need to be cleared through that process on the deadline day.
Trades made on cutdown day are no different (despite what that now-gone GM argued then). They can be consummated on that day --- if they're vetoed the trade will just be reversed. And GMs will have to make subsequent cuts, etc. based on any possible reversal.
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I'll try and come up with some language, unless you have something in mind WW.
Another proposed amendment.
Stretch the draft out over two days? This would allow for more draft day dealing/position jockeying, and would be a boon to the bonehead that invariably misses the first round. Somebody does every year.
FWIW we didn't have any missed picks in the first round last year and only the ill-fated Jahyovanone pick missed in the first 38 picks.
While i like this in theory (as a draft nerd), I'm fearful that practically (as commish) that we'd actaully have MORE missed picks in the 2nd round as an unintended consequence.
We'll see what other folks think...
Although I see the rationale for it, I am with GC on this one. I think we may have more people tune out and lose some activity overall if the draft is a 2-day extended event. I also really enjoy the fast pace of the draft as an 'event', which forces people to make moves quickly if they want to wheel and deal, rather than go on for extended negotiations and posturing.
Apologies for the belated responses.I strongly dislike this proposal (and not because I slogged through carrying Mirotic in past seasons --- and got a kick out of posting "Mirotic is my empty roster spot" for what seems like 2 years straight).
I think drafting/holding/adding an overseas player/injured player is one of those "tough" decisions owners have to make. In one of the leagues, can't remember which one, I got Mirotic relatively cheaply from an owner because he didn't want to devote a roster spot. I accepted the harm to my roster for the long term benefit.
For what it's worth YH a majority of managers probably agree with you. I'm just of the opinion that the more competitive match ups the better. Add an N/A player to a second tier team's roster and over the course of the season they'll lose a lot more weeks in 3-8 or 2-9 fashion. I'm also opposed to penalizing the rare lottery team that find itself in position to draft a highly rated foreign prospect signed overseas: a Rubio or Saric. I'd prefer those selections be straight forward assets as they are in the NBA rather than a full season commitment to rebuilding.
Now two consolations, though I'm not sure either will change your mind.Additionally, those unsigned euro's typically provide some intrigue/interest in those top waiver spots when they are unowned and coming into the free agent pool. Sometimes those work out. Sometimes they don't (think I used #1 or #2 on Alexey Shved --- lol).
I for one am bummed on the abrupt end of Shved's NBA career... Anyway, we wouldn't necessarily lose the wavier wire intrigue surrounding veteran international players coming to the NBA. We could handle the reserve spot a couple of different ways. I'd previously suggested that we restrict eligibility to currently rostered players and future draftees. That said, it might be fun to hold a one round draft where each manager could either re-commit to holding a injured player or foreign prospect or lay claim to a player overseas that may or may not be headed to the NBA in the near future.Finally, the inclusion of "inj" further depletes the already weak free agent pool.
This is my own primary concern, and I'd address it by eliminating the Utility spot. Admittedly, this would be the most dramatic format change in the H2H league's run. Founding manager to founding manager, I'd respect your opposition, but here's my argument. Less than half of the current league participated in the points league draft that kicked off this insanity or had any input into this league's set up the following summer. That, and the NBA itself often enacts similarly significant changes - rules changes, expanding roster sizes, moving the three point line, restructuring divisions.
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle link=topic=80165.msg1943730#msg1943730Replace the Utility roster spot with an inactive spot? I've made similar suggestions in seasons past, but never to enough support. I continue to believe this would help offset the current cost of drafting foreign prospects and somewhat mitigate serious injuries without further depleting the FA talent pool. It would also create more line-up decisions week to week, reward shrewd management.
I would be in favor of adding an additional inactive roster spot (on Y! and/or the google sheets) for an INJ or drafted INTL player playing over seas. We can call it that "Mirotic is my empty roster spot" rule.
-- adding an INJ spot (though I guess you're using it as a blanket INACTIVE slot) is really difficult b/c the NBA, unlike MLB, doesn't really have a DL or IR anymore, so it means subjective INJ designation outside of a guy missing a whole season with, say, an ACL tear. In fantasy baseballl the DL is a really important part of the game, but it doesn't really translate to basketball IMO.
-- I'm curious how you see this working The Walker Wiggle on 2 fronts: (a) the addition of the player now and (b) moving forward.
(a) Say this passes.... Since the only guys currently eligible for such a slot on rosters are Saric, and a few injured guys, would we have a mini-draft or 3rd round in the rookie draft? Would teams fill this slot during the season via waiver wire?
(b) How does a team replenish their spot when a guy like Saric comes over or if their injured guy returns?
-- I agree with YH that the UTIL spot allows for flexibility for a team to overload on a position (like DesDr's bigs) or stat. Getting rid of it would seem minor but really affect the league IMO. I'd be MUCH more open to adding a 17th spot than doing away with the Util.
-- I'm relunctant to add more roster spots when there are some teams still carrying useless (of course a subjective call by me) players.
-- adding an INJ spot (though I guess you're using it as a blanket INACTIVE slot) is really difficult b/c the NBA, unlike MLB, doesn't really have a DL or IR anymore, so it means subjective INJ designation outside of a guy missing a whole season with, say, an ACL tear. In fantasy baseballl the DL is a really important part of the game, but it doesn't really translate to basketball IMO.
-- I'm curious how you see this working The Walker Wiggle on 2 fronts: (a) the addition of the player now and (b) moving forward.
(a) Say this passes.... Since the only guys currently eligible for such a slot on rosters are Saric, and a few injured guys, would we have a mini-draft or 3rd round in the rookie draft? Would teams fill this slot during the season via waiver wire?
(b) How does a team replenish their spot when a guy like Saric comes over or if their injured guy returns?
-- adding an INJ spot (though I guess you're using it as a blanket INACTIVE slot) is really difficult b/c the NBA, unlike MLB, doesn't really have a DL or IR anymore, so it means subjective INJ designation outside of a guy missing a whole season with, say, an ACL tear. In fantasy baseballl the DL is a really important part of the game, but it doesn't really translate to basketball IMO.
-- I'm curious how you see this working The Walker Wiggle on 2 fronts: (a) the addition of the player now and (b) moving forward.
(a) Say this passes.... Since the only guys currently eligible for such a slot on rosters are Saric, and a few injured guys, would we have a mini-draft or 3rd round in the rookie draft? Would teams fill this slot during the season via waiver wire?
(b) How does a team replenish their spot when a guy like Saric comes over or if their injured guy returns?
I proposed something similar to this a couple years back called a "stash spot". The idea was that you had an extra roster spot for guys who weren't playing, you could use it once a season, and once a player was designated as a stash, he was locked in for the remainder of the season - no reactivation, no drop, no trade. So pretty much only for international guys and season-ending injuries.
So in my opinion, a. not every team would use the spot - it'd be useful to keep open in case a promising player got hurt mid-season - having it open could even have some trade value as you could take on a dead weight guy (like Carmelo or Kobe last year) - but no need for an extra draft round or anything.
...and b. at the end of the season the player automatically becomes active, so they can be re-stashed for another year, another player can take the spot, or the spot can be left open.
Dunno, this may be overly complicated, though. But being able to move guys in and out of the spot at will could create some issues too, especially if someone decides to use it for tanking purposes.
EDIT: UF has maybe a clearer explanation of what I'm describing here - use of the spot can be done whenever but is permanent for the season and the player can't be moved.
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-- adding an INJ spot (though I guess you're using it as a blanket INACTIVE slot) is really difficult b/c the NBA, unlike MLB, doesn't really have a DL or IR anymore, so it means subjective INJ designation outside of a guy missing a whole season with, say, an ACL tear. In fantasy baseballl the DL is a really important part of the game, but it doesn't really translate to basketball IMO.
This is true, but I don't think it's a big deal. We are not trying to emulate the NBA here, like the DKC. This is more of a fantasy sports thing.
-- I'm curious how you see this working The Walker Wiggle on 2 fronts: (a) the addition of the player now and (b) moving forward.
(a) Say this passes.... Since the only guys currently eligible for such a slot on rosters are Saric, and a few injured guys, would we have a mini-draft or 3rd round in the rookie draft? Would teams fill this slot during the season via waiver wire?
Suggestion:
On roster cut down day, a team may add a player from their roster who is either injured or not currently under contract with an NBA team. Once a player is placed in the inactive slot, they are not eligible to be traded or be moved to the active roster until after the season is over. Examples: LB17 puts Dante Exum in his inactive slot. The Utah Flash drafts Nikola Milutinov #1 overall. Milutinov has signed with Olympiacos, so the UF move him to the inactive slot for the season.
I like the idea of extending this year's draft to a third round to fill this slot.(b) How does a team replenish their spot when a guy like Saric comes over or if their injured guy returns?
Through the next season's draft or possible the Y! waiver wire. For example, Bogdan Bogdanovi? was on the wire b/c it's well known that he will stay in Europe for two season. Had I added him last spring, I could then move him to the inactive slot for this season.
Also, if a Euro comes over mid-season, like Joffrey Lauvergne last season, he is not eligible to come off the inactive list until after the season is over. Same for a guy like PG13 who came back for a few games after snapping his leg in half.
Mk
Once a player is placed in the inactive slot, they are not eligible to be traded or be moved to the active roster until after the season is over.
-- adding an INJ spot (though I guess you're using it as a blanket INACTIVE slot) is really difficult b/c the NBA, unlike MLB, doesn't really have a DL or IR anymore, so it means subjective INJ designation outside of a guy missing a whole season with, say, an ACL tear. In fantasy baseballl the DL is a really important part of the game, but it doesn't really translate to basketball IMO.
-- I'm curious how you see this working The Walker Wiggle on 2 fronts: (a) the addition of the player now and (b) moving forward.
(a) Say this passes.... Since the only guys currently eligible for such a slot on rosters are Saric, and a few injured guys, would we have a mini-draft or 3rd round in the rookie draft? Would teams fill this slot during the season via waiver wire?
(b) How does a team replenish their spot when a guy like Saric comes over or if their injured guy returns?
I proposed something similar to this a couple years back called a "stash spot". The idea was that you had an extra roster spot for guys who weren't playing, you could use it once a season, and once a player was designated as a stash, he was locked in for the remainder of the season - no reactivation, no drop, no trade. So pretty much only for international guys and season-ending injuries.
So in my opinion, a. not every team would use the spot - it'd be useful to keep open in case a promising player got hurt mid-season - having it open could even have some trade value as you could take on a dead weight guy (like Carmelo or Kobe last year) - but no need for an extra draft round or anything.
...and b. at the end of the season the player automatically becomes active, so they can be re-stashed for another year, another player can take the spot, or the spot can be left open.
Dunno, this may be overly complicated, though. But being able to move guys in and out of the spot at will could create some issues too, especially if someone decides to use it for tanking purposes.
EDIT: UF has maybe a clearer explanation of what I'm describing here - use of the spot can be done whenever but is permanent for the season and the player can't be moved.
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Could it be done with a healthy player, who is in the NBA? Say I want to stash Bismack Biyombo because he's not good enough to immediately contribute, but I don't want to lose his rights. Is that sufficient?
-- adding an INJ spot (though I guess you're using it as a blanket INACTIVE slot) is really difficult b/c the NBA, unlike MLB, doesn't really have a DL or IR anymore, so it means subjective INJ designation outside of a guy missing a whole season with, say, an ACL tear. In fantasy baseballl the DL is a really important part of the game, but it doesn't really translate to basketball IMO.
-- I'm curious how you see this working The Walker Wiggle on 2 fronts: (a) the addition of the player now and (b) moving forward.
(a) Say this passes.... Since the only guys currently eligible for such a slot on rosters are Saric, and a few injured guys, would we have a mini-draft or 3rd round in the rookie draft? Would teams fill this slot during the season via waiver wire?
(b) How does a team replenish their spot when a guy like Saric comes over or if their injured guy returns?
I proposed something similar to this a couple years back called a "stash spot". The idea was that you had an extra roster spot for guys who weren't playing, you could use it once a season, and once a player was designated as a stash, he was locked in for the remainder of the season - no reactivation, no drop, no trade. So pretty much only for international guys and season-ending injuries.
So in my opinion, a. not every team would use the spot - it'd be useful to keep open in case a promising player got hurt mid-season - having it open could even have some trade value as you could take on a dead weight guy (like Carmelo or Kobe last year) - but no need for an extra draft round or anything.
...and b. at the end of the season the player automatically becomes active, so they can be re-stashed for another year, another player can take the spot, or the spot can be left open.
Dunno, this may be overly complicated, though. But being able to move guys in and out of the spot at will could create some issues too, especially if someone decides to use it for tanking purposes.
EDIT: UF has maybe a clearer explanation of what I'm describing here - use of the spot can be done whenever but is permanent for the season and the player can't be moved.
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Could it be done with a healthy player, who is in the NBA? Say I want to stash Bismack Biyombo because he's not good enough to immediately contribute, but I don't want to lose his rights. Is that sufficient?
Could it be done with a healthy player, who is in the NBA? Say I want to stash Bismack Biyombo because he's not good enough to immediately contribute, but I don't want to lose his rights. Is that sufficient?
That's the rub, isn't it? My inclination is yes - a guy who's still developing and not producing much can be stuck in there, as grabbing a project who's in the league isn't much different than getting a Euro who's out of it. To me the permanence of the move is a good hedge against doing this impulsively - you're stuck if Biyombo or whoever breaks out later in the year, since you can't reactivate him til the offseason.
Where the problem comes in with that is that a team may choose to inactive/stash an actually productive player to enable a tanking strategy. So if I have a bad team with Cousins as the only bright spot, I can just stash him and guarantee a lousy season and a good lotto shot, without risking any tanking penalties. It's a very tough line to walk.
Could it be done with a healthy player, who is in the NBA? Say I want to stash Bismack Biyombo because he's not good enough to immediately contribute, but I don't want to lose his rights. Is that sufficient?
That's the rub, isn't it? My inclination is yes - a guy who's still developing and not producing much can be stuck in there, as grabbing a project who's in the league isn't much different than getting a Euro who's out of it. To me the permanence of the move is a good hedge against doing this impulsively - you're stuck if Biyombo or whoever breaks out later in the year, since you can't reactivate him til the offseason.
Where the problem comes in with that is that a team may choose to inactive/stash an actually productive player to enable a tanking strategy. So if I have a bad team with Cousins as the only bright spot, I can just stash him and guarantee a lousy season and a good lotto shot, without risking any tanking penalties. It's a very tough line to walk.
This seems as good a time as any to remind folks that any langauage set in the constitution for rules has to be enforceable.
this came up a lot more last offseason to deal with tanking. The rules have to be cut-and-dry you can't say "good" players can't be stashed (not that you're saying that FWF).
Proposed Consent Amendment A
Clarify difference between trade submission and approval dates.
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(will be adopted by acclimation unless someone objects by Aug. 13)
23.In-seasontrades shall have a 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade.1 Trades must be submitted, not approved, by any relevant deadline (i.e. cutdown date, in-season trade deadline, etc.).
Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic
Constitutional Amendment #1
Revised vote totals needed for amendments
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10. A majority votefrom the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more)is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.
Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate
Only allowing inactive players in the forms of A. Guys drafted but not on a roster (aka currently overseas) and B. injured guys who have been declared out for the season (maybe with commish's discretion on gray area cases like Paul George) is probably a much easier rule to formulate, even though I don't like it quite as much.
Only allowing inactive players in the forms of A. Guys drafted but not on a roster (aka currently overseas) and B. injured guys who have been declared out for the season (maybe with commish's discretion on gray area cases like Paul George) is probably a much easier rule to formulate, even though I don't like it quite as much.
I think this is the way to go. At least initially. It's better to start with a narrow rule rather than a broad one. We can always expand & tweak it again next summer.
Mk
Oh, and this is entirely dependent on Yahoo, but if possible, I'm in favor of combining the two Fantasy weeks badly abbreviated by the longer All Star break.
This need not be voted on -- it will be done (manually by me) this season. I checked at the end of last season and saw that I could have, if i'd realized it, chagned it in the start of the season.
I think we went with the 20 weeks to maximize the awesomeness. My current thinking is to (a) switch to a 19 week season and (b) possibly expand the playoffs.
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I believe there are a few different things we could do:
1. No change (20 wks + 3 round playoffs) -- We'll combine the 2 all-star break weeks, but leave our fantasy season at 20 weeks + 3 weeks of playoffs.
2. 19 week season + 3 round playoffs --- Pretty straightforward; The only change would be that each team would play 19 matchups (and every team 1x). The playoffs would still be 3 rounds, each 7 days long.
3. 19 week season + 3 round playoffs + extended championship round --- If we move to a 19 week season, we could extend the championship round to 2 full weeks + the 1-2 games in week 25.
4. 19 week season + 4 round playoffs (with or without extended championship round) --- If we move to a 19 week season we could expand the playoffs to 4 rounds and 12 teams and give the top 4 seeds a bye. The championship round could be 1 full week or 1 full-week + the 1-2 games in week 25.
Curious what other folks think.
This means that amendments will now pass with a majority vote of at least 15 GMs. Ironically this passed using the old rules, but would have failed for lack of a quorum under the new rules :P ???
Oh, and this is entirely dependent on Yahoo, but if possible, I'm in favor of combining the two Fantasy weeks badly abbreviated by the longer All Star break.
This need not be voted on -- it will be done (manually by me) this season. I checked at the end of last season and saw that I could have, if i'd realized it, chagned it in the start of the season.
There is a scheduling glitch/question that will remain unchanged for this season but I'd like to get folks' input on for NEXT season:
With 20 teams in the league --a 19 week season would mean each team plays every other team 1x.
However.... we've had a 20 week season + 3 week playoff for as long as I've been in the league. This means that each team plays the the same team in Week 1 and Week 20.
For example, I played the #17 team twice last year (en route to the title) and the #4 team twice the year before when i missed the playoffs.
This strikes me as unfair, if completely random, for the teams that pull the toughest teams in Week 1 (and therefore Week 20).
I think we went with the 20 weeks to maximize the awesomeness. My current thinking is to (a) switch to a 19 week season and (b) possibly expand the playoffs.
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I believe there are a few different things we could do:
1. No change (20 wks + 3 round playoffs) -- We'll combine the 2 all-star break weeks, but leave our fantasy season at 20 weeks + 3 weeks of playoffs.
2. 19 week season + 3 round playoffs --- Pretty straightforward; The only change would be that each team would play 19 matchups (and every team 1x). The playoffs would still be 3 rounds, each 7 days long.
3. 19 week season + 3 round playoffs + extended championship round --- If we move to a 19 week season, we could extend the championship round to 2 full weeks + the 1-2 games in week 25.
4. 19 week season + 4 round playoffs (with or without extended championship round) --- If we move to a 19 week season we could expand the playoffs to 4 rounds and 12 teams and give the top 4 seeds a bye. The championship round could be 1 full week or 1 full-week + the 1-2 games in week 25.
Curious what other folks think.
I think we should at least do Option 2.
I'd be open to discussing Option 3.
I haven't given Option 4 enough thought to know if I like it or not... It might lead to more teams being engaged with 12 instead of 8 teams qualifying for the playoffs. But there might be some unintended consequences.
This means that amendments will now pass with a majority vote of at least 15 GMs. Ironically this passed using the old rules, but would have failed for lack of a quorum under the new rules :P ???
Funny. (Is it possible to also spam the league via Yahoo? I wonder if some guys aren't checking their forum messages.)
I find this a bad idea because it's one of the busiest and most silent parts of the year. People are on vacation or busy as hell as work. I see it in multiple boards.Quote11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.
Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.
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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.
I find this a bad idea because it's one of the busiest and most silent parts of the year. People are on vacation or busy as hell as work. I see it in multiple boards.Quote11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-September.
Proposed Amendment #2:
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(revised) 11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-August.
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Reasoning: Really straight-forward, moving the rookie draft up 1 month. This would allow an extra month of wheeling-and-dealing before the cut-down date and allow future draft picks to be traded earlier in the offseason.
These amendments have been proposed, discussed and seconded and will therefore be voted on Aug. 14-17 via Doodle.com
additions in bold italic red
deletions arebold and struckthroughconsent additions in bold blue
Proposed Consent Amendment A ** PASSED by acclimation
Clarify difference between trade submission and approval dates.
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23.In-seasontrades shall have a 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade.1 Trades must be submitted, not approved, by any relevant deadline (i.e. cutdown date, in-season trade deadline, etc.).
Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic
Constitutional Amendment #1 ** PASSED 12-0-1
Revised vote totals needed for amendments
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10. A majority votefrom the 20 GMs (e.g., 11 or more)is required to amend any league rule. A quorum of 15 votes (including abstentions) is necessary for any amendment to pass.
Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate
Constitutional Amendment #2
Move the rookie draft from mid-Sept. to mid-Aug. (Revised article)
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11. The league will hold a rookie draft each season in mid-SeptemberAugust.
Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Yall Hate
Constitutional Amendment #3
Two moves per week allowed during playoffs (Revised article)
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22. Each team may make a maximum of 50 roster moves during the regular season. Teams are limited toone2 moves a week during playoffs.
(note: Should this amendment fail, the constituion will be consent amended to reflect the current practice of allowing only 1 move per week during playoffs.)
Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Mkogav
Constitutional Amendment #4
Stretch the rookie draft across two days (revised article)
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13. The rookie draft will be held on the CelticsBlog.com forums over two-days. Any GM unable to participate can send the commissioner or a proxy an ordered list of picks to choose from.
Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Mkogav
Can't do a more nuanced quote on my phone but here's the results:
Amendment #2: PASSED 13-0-2 (draft moved to mid-Aug next yr)
Amendment #3: PASSED 12-3-0 (incr playoff moves to 2/wk)
Amendment #4: FAILED for lack of quorum 7-5-2 (2-day rookie draft)
I'll post pics of the votes after kayaking w my wife for her bday.
Can't do a more nuanced quote on my phone but here's the results:
Amendment #2: PASSED 13-0-2 (draft moved to mid-Aug next yr)
Amendment #3: PASSED 12-3-0 (incr playoff moves to 2/wk)
Amendment #4: FAILED for lack of quorum 7-5-2 (2-day rookie draft)
I'll post pics of the votes after kayaking w my wife for her bday.
I propose removing the commissioner from his duties. Putting his wife's bday ahead of his duties here shows a flagrant lack of respect for not just his duties but also all of us.
The only thing I think is odd is that on amendment 2 I coulda sworn I voted against it. Whether I did or didn't I seem to have been overwhelmingly defeated so it doesn't matter much. I ain't gonna cry like a Floridan on election day in 2000.
Amendment #4: FAILED for lack of quorum 7-5-2 (2-day rookie draft)
Y! 2015 FBB is open!!! They have a couple of interesting changes:
I.L. roster spot - New for 2015-16. We have added a roster spot for inactive or injured players.
Can't do a more nuanced quote on my phone but here's the results:
Amendment #2: PASSED 13-0-2 (draft moved to mid-Aug next yr)
Amendment #3: PASSED 12-3-0 (incr playoff moves to 2/wk)
Amendment #4: FAILED for lack of quorum 7-5-2 (2-day rookie draft)
I'll post pics of the votes after kayaking w my wife for her bday.
I propose removing the commissioner from his duties. Putting his wife's bday ahead of his duties here shows a flagrant lack of respect for not just his duties but also all of us.
I also wanted to circle back around to my proposed amendment to replace the active Utility spot with an international prospect/IR spot. I believe it was seconded?
Amendment #4: FAILED for lack of quorum 7-5-2 (2-day rookie draft)
How embarrassing. I proposed the amendment then sank it by failing to vote. Counter argument from GC left me torn and the deadline slipped passed me. Apologies to those I lead astray.
I also wanted to circle back around to my proposed amendment to replace the active Utility spot with an international prospect/IR spot. I believe it was seconded?Y! 2015 FBB is open!!! They have a couple of interesting changes:
I.L. roster spot - New for 2015-16. We have added a roster spot for inactive or injured players.
Yahoo's introduction of an IR spot makes administration far easier and my proposal on the whole far more plausible. Players would or wouldn't be IR eligible at Yahoo's discretion, alternately a manager could forgo using the IR spot and dedicate the roster space to an international prospect, much as we do now via an empty active bench spot.
Somewhat minimizes the damage long term injuries can do during the regular season, buoys the value of international prospects, and forces more "coaching" decisions by reducing starting line ups by one spot, all without furthering draining the shallow F.A. pool.
I also wanted to circle back around to my proposed amendment to replace the active Utility spot with an international prospect/IR spot. I believe it was seconded?
I kinda farted around it talking about a similar old idea of mine, but if we need a formal second I'll second it, on the condition that you have to write it. Or GC. Just not me. :)
Dude. You only get one wife.
Meanwhile, there are 19 of us here. That's just simple math. I think I speak for all of us when I express how disappointed I am in GC.
Seriously though, kayaking? That has to be up there with when I got my wife a refurbished dyaom for Christmas
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Issue #2:Injured List
I've emailed Yahoo! and posted on a message board thread (http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/message-boards/;_ylt=At5EyVdVGPVNJPnysypTix3BbJ8u;_ylu=X3oDMTB2cGljN2lsBHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDTWVkaWFNc2dCb2FyZHNYSFJVbHQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3?&bn=e6cf43c8-9be7-3fed-8bca-0cf206ece0ad&tid=1440511173700-cb2a0e2d-ed15-4f52-9748-35e3be48599c&tls=la%2Cd%2C1%2C3) about how the new IL slot will work and am waiting to hear back.
Here are some things we know and some assumptions about the IL spot available in Yahoo! this year:
1. The IL spot is optional for leagues -- we can set up 0-5 IL spots. Right now it's set to "0"'
2. I'm assuming -- though waiting to hear officially -- that Yahoo! will only allow this spot to be used for injured players, not NA or overseas players (like Dario Saric, who isn't currently in the Yahoo! system unlike last year.
3. I'm assuming that use of the IL spot will affect your roster much like the DL for those of us who play fantasy baseball:
-- A player has to officially be injured* to be eligible for the IL slot on your roster.
-- When you move someone to the IL spot, you then have an empty roster spot to which you can add a FA.
-- Once the injured player is removed from the injured list*, you are barred from FA adds, waiver pick ups and trades until you move the now active player to a valid roster spot or drop him.
4. The issue I see is is with the (*) above. Since the NBA doesn't have an official DL like baseball, I'm assuming Yahoo! is going to just go by whether a player has the INJ next to their name. If memory serves correct there will be times that a player is injured but doesn't have that INJ and times when they DO have it but still play.
The point is there will be some subjectivity is who gets the INJ designation IMO.
Here are at least 3 options:
1. No changes: 16 roster spots just like last year. Season-long injuries = tough decisions.
2. Add 1 Yahoo! IL spot: Use the built-in Yahoo! IL roster spot for injured players -- warts/loopholes and all.
Players like Dante Exum could be moved to this spot on Day 1 allowing LB17 to add a 17th player. Players like Russell Westbrook who a game with a fractured face (but only one game b/c he's Russell-freakin'-Westbrook) could go on the IL allowing Gainesville Celtics to add a 17th player and keep that player as long as I keep Westbrook on the IL.
3. Add 1 manual injured/inactive spot: We'd still need to work out the details... but this would be a manually managed roster spot (tracked by teams & the commish) where each team could (based on our discussion/decision) either (a) put an injured player on for the season (b) put an injured player on for some long stretch and/or (c) put a D-League (i.e. James Young last year) or overseas player (i.e. Dario Saric).
We didn't come to any conclusion or even language to vote on a/b/c in this option, so we'd need to hash that out.
Question about option 2: does this mean a team with an injured player can keep 17 at the roster cutdown, or would they have to cut to 16 and then just be able to pick a guy up later? I'm thinking of scenarios like Paul George last year where the guy already had an injury designation before the season.
Question about option 2: does this mean a team with an injured player can keep 17 at the roster cutdown, or would they have to cut to 16 and then just be able to pick a guy up later? I'm thinking of scenarios like Paul George last year where the guy already had an injury designation before the season.
Nope. If we use the Yahoo! IL spot teams will have to cut down their rosters to 16 players -- which for a team like LB17, would include Dante Exum. Once on Yahoo, LB17 could then move Exum to the IL and pick up a 17th player.
Is that what Yahoo is saying? That seems surprising to me. Is that how the baseball thing works?
Question about option 2: does this mean a team with an injured player can keep 17 at the roster cutdown, or would they have to cut to 16 and then just be able to pick a guy up later? I'm thinking of scenarios like Paul George last year where the guy already had an injury designation before the season.
Nope. If we use the Yahoo! IL spot teams will have to cut down their rosters to 16 players -- which for a team like LB17, would include Dante Exum. Once on Yahoo, LB17 could then move Exum to the IL and pick up a 17th player.
Thanks - other question, which we may not know yet: how will we handle a player being taken out of the IL spot? Does Yahoo do it automatically, or would we have to have our own criteria (like within 48 hrs of appearing in a game or losing the INJ label)? What happens if people don't do it on time? Maybe it's done manually by commish and their most recent add is dropped?
2. I'm assuming -- though waiting to hear officially -- that Yahoo! will only allow this spot to be used for injured players, not NA or overseas players (like Dario Saric, who isn't currently in the Yahoo! system unlike last year.
3. I'm assuming that use of the IL spot will affect your roster much like the DL for those of us who play fantasy baseball:
-- A player has to officially be injured* to be eligible for the IL slot on your roster.
-- When you move someone to the IL spot, you then have an empty roster spot to which you can add a FA.
-- Once the injured player is removed from the injured list*, you are barred from FA adds, waiver pick ups and trades until you move the now active player to a valid roster spot or drop him.
4. The issue I see is is with the (*) above. Since the NBA doesn't have an official DL like baseball, I'm assuming Yahoo! is going to just go by whether a player has the INJ next to their name. If memory serves correct there will be times that a player is injured but doesn't have that INJ and times when they DO have it but still play.
Here are at least 3 options:
1. No changes: 16 roster spots just like last year. Season-long injuries = tough decisions.
2. Add 1 Yahoo! IL spot: Use the built-in Yahoo! IL roster spot for injured players -- warts/loopholes and all.
Players like Dante Exum could be moved to this spot on Day 1 allowing LB17 to add a 17th player. Players like Russell Westbrook who a game with a fractured face (but only one game b/c he's Russell-freakin'-Westbrook) could go on the IL allowing Gainesville Celtics to add a 17th player and keep that player as long as I keep Westbrook on the IL.
3. Add 1 manual injured/inactive spot: We'd still need to work out the details... but this would be a manually managed roster spot (tracked by teams & the commish) where each team could (based on our discussion/decision) either (a) put an injured player on for the season (b) put an injured player on for some long stretch and/or (c) put a D-League (i.e. James Young last year) or overseas player (i.e. Dario Saric).
We didn't come to any conclusion or even language to vote on a/b/c in this option, so we'd need to hash that out.
More info about the IL slot
Stash players on the IL
Once on the IL, a player can stay there for the entire season, even if they return to real-life action.
However, once a player comes off the real-life IL, you won't be able to complete any transactions that involve adding a player to your team until you remove them from your team's IL.
You'll be able to make intra-roster moves (switching players between bench and active), regardless of a player's real-life IL status, as well as drop a player from your roster in order to open up a roster spot to activate the player from the IL. You can also use your bench spots to house injured players.
If you don't have available IL or bench positions, or if your league doesn't allow them, you'll need to drop the injured player from your roster if you want to pick up another player.
Training
Players will be made eligible for the IL position in Yahoo Sports as soon as possible after they are placed there in real life. This may not occur until the morning following the transaction, during our nightly system update.
On game day
A player can be activated from the NBA injured list on the day of a game. If a Fantasy manager places them into their active lineup for that day, they'll receive scoring for the statistics earned by that player.
Team's intention
A team can announce that a player will be placed on the IL. This only indicates the club's intention to place him on the IL. Until the player is actually put on the official NBA IL, he cant be placed into the IL position in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Basketball.
All-Star Game
Several teams announce players will be placed on the IL around the All-Star break. These players are only eligible once that has officially occurred.
Prior to the season
Most actual transactions won't take place until just prior to that particular team's first game of the season. This means that the player will be given IL status following the nightly update after their team plays their first regular-season game
Let us know if you have any further questions.
Stephen
Yahoo Customer Care
On game day
A player can be activated from the NBA injured list on the day of a game. If a Fantasy manager places them into their active lineup for that day, they'll receive scoring for the statistics earned by that player.
Team's intention
A team can announce that a player will be placed on the IL. This only indicates the club's intention to place him on the IL. Until the player is actually put on the official NBA IL, he cant be placed into the IL position in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Basketball.
2. I'm assuming -- though waiting to hear officially -- that Yahoo! will only allow this spot to be used for injured players, not NA or overseas players (like Dario Saric, who isn't currently in the Yahoo! system unlike last year.
I am assuming will only use this spot for injured players and not ones in the system. Since this will likely be just a handful of stashed players not in Y! each season, who but we can always use the old "Saric is my IR player" strategy and/or note them on the perm site.3. I'm assuming that use of the IL spot will affect your roster much like the DL for those of us who play fantasy baseball:
-- A player has to officially be injured* to be eligible for the IL slot on your roster.
-- When you move someone to the IL spot, you then have an empty roster spot to which you can add a FA.
-- Once the injured player is removed from the injured list*, you are barred from FA adds, waiver pick ups and trades until you move the now active player to a valid roster spot or drop him.
4. The issue I see is is with the (*) above. Since the NBA doesn't have an official DL like baseball, I'm assuming Yahoo! is going to just go by whether a player has the INJ next to their name. If memory serves correct there will be times that a player is injured but doesn't have that INJ and times when they DO have it but still play.
I think this all ok for the first season of this rule. I assume we will end up tweaking it next summer and the summer after.Here are at least 3 options:
1. No changes: 16 roster spots just like last year. Season-long injuries = tough decisions.
2. Add 1 Yahoo! IL spot: Use the built-in Yahoo! IL roster spot for injured players -- warts/loopholes and all.
Players like Dante Exum could be moved to this spot on Day 1 allowing LB17 to add a 17th player. Players like Russell Westbrook who a game with a fractured face (but only one game b/c he's Russell-freakin'-Westbrook) could go on the IL allowing Gainesville Celtics to add a 17th player and keep that player as long as I keep Westbrook on the IL.
3. Add 1 manual injured/inactive spot: We'd still need to work out the details... but this would be a manually managed roster spot (tracked by teams & the commish) where each team could (based on our discussion/decision) either (a) put an injured player on for the season (b) put an injured player on for some long stretch and/or (c) put a D-League (i.e. James Young last year) or overseas player (i.e. Dario Saric).
We didn't come to any conclusion or even language to vote on a/b/c in this option, so we'd need to hash that out.
I like option 2, with an additional tweak to allow stash players like Saric via proxy or whatever. Option #3 would be a goal for next season perhaps.
Mk
I like option 2, with an additional tweak to allow stash players like Saric via proxy or whatever. Option #3 would be a goal for next season perhaps.
Mk
3. The league uses the following 16 roster positions per team:
2 x PG
2 x SG
2 x SF
2 x PF
2 x C
1 x Utility (Util) slot
5 x bench (BN) slots
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18. Teams must cut down rosters to 16 players by the date announced by the commissioner.
19. Any team that wants to retain the rights to a player playing overseas must continuously keep open a roster spot for that player (except during the period discussed in #17 above). Filling that empty roster slot with a free agent or via trade releases any claim on the overseas player, who becomes a free agent available for pickup by another team once that player is added to the Yahoo! list of players.
20. Begining with the first day of the NBA season, each team may have a maximum of 2 players total listed as N/A in the Y! system and/or overseas players as described in #19 above.3