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Irving is part Native American.

He has a lot to be thankful for and that is basically what Thanksgiving has become (like Xmas with Santa and Easter with Bunny...thank goodness), but I can understand Native Americans not particularly loving the idea of celebrating this particular holiday (for obvious reasons).

What's the obvious reason?  The first Thanksgiving -- the one in the 1620s -- was a peaceful celebration between European settlers and Natives. 

Obviously a lot has happened in the intervening 400 years, but the traditional version of Thanksgiving is very respectful to Native Americans.
No.  It was originally a celebration of an Indian massacre.  This is the worst day on the calendar for Native Americans.

That’s a liberal myth. That event happened in 1637, well after the original Pilgrim Thanksgiving in 1621.  Don’t believe everything that you read on the internet.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/15002


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Is Kyrie still a vegan?

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Irving is part Native American.

He has a lot to be thankful for and that is basically what Thanksgiving has become (like Xmas with Santa and Easter with Bunny...thank goodness), but I can understand Native Americans not particularly loving the idea of celebrating this particular holiday (for obvious reasons).

What's the obvious reason?  The first Thanksgiving -- the one in the 1620s -- was a peaceful celebration between European settlers and Natives. 

Obviously a lot has happened in the intervening 400 years, but the traditional version of Thanksgiving is very respectful to Native Americans.
No.  It was originally a celebration of an Indian massacre.  This is the worst day on the calendar for Native Americans.

That’s a liberal myth. That event happened in 1637, well after the original Pilgrim Thanksgiving in 1621.  Don’t believe everything that you read on the internet.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/15002
I find it hilarious when people spew their unfounded fake news

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Well as far as Thanksgiving for the Celtics...I agree with Kyrie! -lol- The only thing the Celtics have to be thankful for right now is that they are injury free and that is a huge blessing to say the least.

Maybe the Celtics can celebrate Thanksgiving after winning the finals.

People should be thankful daily for what is in their lives and not need a day to do it. Some holidays are just that and one should never need a day or excuse to show those they love, just that...that they are appreciated and loved.

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Sounds like a media hatchet job. Gotcha! a nice juicey quote just after a miserable loss at home. Foolish of Irving to say anything at that point. I suppose he is to blame, too, but leave it to the media to create controversy.

The only thing Irving can do is to apologize, and to keep his mouth shut 5 minutes after a loss like that.

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Irving is part Native American.

He has a lot to be thankful for and that is basically what Thanksgiving has become (like Xmas with Santa and Easter with Bunny...thank goodness), but I can understand Native Americans not particularly loving the idea of celebrating this particular holiday (for obvious reasons).

What's the obvious reason?  The first Thanksgiving -- the one in the 1620s -- was a peaceful celebration between European settlers and Natives. 

Obviously a lot has happened in the intervening 400 years, but the traditional version of Thanksgiving is very respectful to Native Americans.
No.  It was originally a celebration of an Indian massacre.  This is the worst day on the calendar for Native Americans.

That’s a liberal myth. That event happened in 1637, well after the original Pilgrim Thanksgiving in 1621.  Don’t believe everything that you read on the internet.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/15002

Or was it a conservative myth? LOL

The Indians are the true native Americans--they were here first. And they have always been resentful of the European invasion and takeover of their land. That the first history books we read in school didn't have that perspective is because they were written by Europeans.

It could be that maybe Irving is a little bit right, though I recall the original Thanksgiving was about the Pilgrims giving thanks that they had arrived here safely and had escaped religious persecution in England. The history books have portrayed the local Indians having been involved, too, but I don't know how accurate that is.

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Irving is part Native American.

He has a lot to be thankful for and that is basically what Thanksgiving has become (like Xmas with Santa and Easter with Bunny...thank goodness), but I can understand Native Americans not particularly loving the idea of celebrating this particular holiday (for obvious reasons).

What's the obvious reason?  The first Thanksgiving -- the one in the 1620s -- was a peaceful celebration between European settlers and Natives. 

Obviously a lot has happened in the intervening 400 years, but the traditional version of Thanksgiving is very respectful to Native Americans.
No.  It was originally a celebration of an Indian massacre.  This is the worst day on the calendar for Native Americans.

That’s a liberal myth. That event happened in 1637, well after the original Pilgrim Thanksgiving in 1621.  Don’t believe everything that you read on the internet.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/15002
OK then I won’t beleive you or your internet link.

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The exact details of 1621 are debatable, but I would just offer:

1) The spirit of Thanksgiving is generally good, even if there are historical doubts, so we can maybe understand those that want to embrace it. It's a heck of a lot more positive than most other holidays. People actually show love, feed the homeless, etc.

2) Native Americans absolutely positively are entitled to see it negatively. Their people were nearly eradicated through horrific genocide by settlers, whether or not some Pilgrims celebrated with them over turkey. Thanksgiving wasn't an actual holiday for another 240 years, during which time they were overwhelmingly treated as "savages" and murdered for their native land. There is no defense for insisting someone with native blood embrace the day personally.

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The exact details of 1621 are debatable, but I would just offer:

1) The spirit of Thanksgiving is generally good, even if there are historical doubts, so we can maybe understand those that want to embrace it. It's a heck of a lot more positive than most other holidays. People actually show love, feed the homeless, etc.

2) Native Americans absolutely positively are entitled to see it negatively. Their people were nearly eradicated through horrific genocide by settlers, whether or not some Pilgrims celebrated with them over turkey. Thanksgiving wasn't an actual holiday for another 240 years, during which time they were overwhelmingly treated as "savages" and murdered for their native land. There is no defense for insisting someone with native blood embrace the day personally.
Exactly, when Abraham Lincoln made it an official holiday in 1863 this is what he said in a proclamation entreating all Americans to ask God to “commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife” and to “heal the wounds of the nation.”
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Is Kyrie still a vegan?

He probably is. That's also an obvious reason to be against it.

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Irving is part Native American.

He has a lot to be thankful for and that is basically what Thanksgiving has become (like Xmas with Santa and Easter with Bunny...thank goodness), but I can understand Native Americans not particularly loving the idea of celebrating this particular holiday (for obvious reasons).

What's the obvious reason?  The first Thanksgiving -- the one in the 1620s -- was a peaceful celebration between European settlers and Natives. 

Obviously a lot has happened in the intervening 400 years, but the traditional version of Thanksgiving is very respectful to Native Americans.
No.  It was originally a celebration of an Indian massacre.  This is the worst day on the calendar for Native Americans.

That’s a liberal myth. That event happened in 1637, well after the original Pilgrim Thanksgiving in 1621.  Don’t believe everything that you read on the internet.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/15002
That the first history books we read in school didn't have that perspective is because they were written by Europeans.
Uh... Are you saying any book written by a European is wrong or infected with anti-native bias? Sounds kind of racist or anti-european to me. Also do you have proof the books we read weren't written by an African American or Asian Or native American ?

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Re: Kyrie Irving vulgarly says he's not planning to celebrate Thanksgiving
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Irving is part Native American.

He has a lot to be thankful for and that is basically what Thanksgiving has become (like Xmas with Santa and Easter with Bunny...thank goodness), but I can understand Native Americans not particularly loving the idea of celebrating this particular holiday (for obvious reasons).

What's the obvious reason?  The first Thanksgiving -- the one in the 1620s -- was a peaceful celebration between European settlers and Natives. 

Obviously a lot has happened in the intervening 400 years, but the traditional version of Thanksgiving is very respectful to Native Americans.
No.  It was originally a celebration of an Indian massacre.  This is the worst day on the calendar for Native Americans.

That’s a liberal myth. That event happened in 1637, well after the original Pilgrim Thanksgiving in 1621.  Don’t believe everything that you read on the internet.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/15002
That the first history books we read in school didn't have that perspective is because they were written by Europeans.
Uh... Are you saying any book written by a European is wrong or infected with anti-native bias? Sounds kind of racist or anti-european to me. Also do you have proof the books we read weren't written by an African American or Asian Or native American ?

I left the proof of European genocide and whitewashing of history to portray a pro-European narrative in my other jeans. The author linernotes are also there.

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Re: Kyrie Irving vulgarly says he's not planning to celebrate Thanksgiving
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To the original quote, it’s ridiculous to make it political, or at least to care if it was (it wasn’t. He would’ve said F-Christmas if it’s been Christmas. He would’ve said F-Daylight Savings I’d that was the day).

If Kyrie would’ve sat up there and really explained himself maybe we should talk about it but it’s pretty clear this was a heat of the moment thing. This wasn’t about sparking awareness.

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