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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticsElite on October 21, 2018, 01:14:25 AM
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Video: https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1053828420881108993?s=21
Did him working out and gaining muscle over summer help here? He muscles his way down to get a closer shot.
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Kid's got the closer gene.
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A 20 year old 6'9" or so wing with a strong fade-away arsenal is crazy.
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I am so proud that I kinda called for him in that draft after I saw his highlight.
I am delighted that he went on the strength program I suggested. He needs to get stronger and stronger.
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He was great but I think sometimes he is more worried about a move than just taking the shot. Of course, developing these moves tends to lead to good things down the road. But sometimes he makes shots more complicated than they have to be at times.
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He was an absolute assassin in that moment. Cold blooded shot. He’s got superstar written all over him
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He was great but I think sometimes he is more worried about a move than just taking the shot. Of course, developing these moves tends to lead to good things down the road. But sometimes he makes shots more complicated than they have to be at times.
He does appear to make some shots more complicated than they need to be at times, but for him, I think he is doing what is comfortable. He seems to have certain moves - like the one-leg fall-away jumper, or the fake dribble side-step three - that are a little unorthodox, but where he seems to have quite a bit of success. His one on one ability is pretty incredible at his age and, with his apparent growth, will just make him more devastating.
He is quickly becoming the best player on the Cs (I know, stop biting on shot fakes on D) and we should all be extremely happy if that happens on a team full of stars.
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He's been our best player in these first 3 games. Really encouraging.
He's not there yet but his development is something to behold.
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Jayson has the ability to get defenders off balance with that herky-jerky rhythm he has.
His game is expanding more and more, he can take you off the dribble to the rim, he can shoot fall-away shots around the paint, or step back and shoot the three.
When the ball finds his hands I feel he can get a shot whenever he wants.
And this is only the very beginning of the story,
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Paul Pierce 2.0.
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Paul Pierce 2.0.
lol PP is already protecting his place. The studio crew was teasing Paul about Tatum having better handles than him when Paul defended his legacy by saying people who said he did not have tight handles or athleticism should visit youtube. LOL.
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I am so proud that I kinda called for him in that draft after I saw his highlight.
I am delighted that he went on the strength program I suggested. He needs to get stronger and stronger.
I had him #2 on my board: 1. Fultz 2. Tatum 3. Ball 4. Jackson
Thought Fultz had superstar potential and Tatum All-Star potential. Glad to be wrong :)
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No disrepect to Pierce to say Tatum’s potential is higher. It’s still mostly potential for now, but on a team that had enough shots to give him, I could see Tatum putting up a very efficient 30 and 10 in a few years. We may have to “settle” for about 22 and 10, plus all-NBA closing ability. The kid will be closing out big playoff games this year.
He’s right last year’s excellent TS% of .583, despite taking more shot creation responsibility. See if he isn’t north of 60% by next year.
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Tatum looks like hes ready to be the 2nd best player on the team offensively....going to be scary when Hayward/Kyrie get into a rhythm
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I love what Tatum showed so far.
Still, he has a long way to go;
- his defense is shaky, he bites on pump fakes regularly, and gets bumped of spots. Sometimes after a score, he forgets about the other end.
- if he doesn't shoot it, his creating and decision making leave a lot to be desired. As his usage% is rising his TO% is spiking.
Not saying these aren't fixable, just that we are treating him as an All-star and he is not that - yet.
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Tatum looks like hes ready to be the 2nd best player on the team offensively....going to be scary when Hayward/Kyrie get into a rhythm
Maybe even the best. I know Kyrie is a genius at what he does, but I feel more confident that we will score when Tatum is making his moves.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I agree with this. I'm not crazy about his shot selection... very Carmelo Anthony like. But he's so good at what he does. I hope he starts looking for more 3's and rim attacks. It's easy to see why settles for midrange but I don't really like it all the time.
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I love what Tatum showed so far.
Still, he has a long way to go;
- his defense is shaky, he bites on pump fakes regularly, and gets bumped of spots. Sometimes after a score, he forgets about the other end.
- if he doesn't shoot it, his creating and decision making leave a lot to be desired. As his usage% is rising his TO% is spiking.
Not saying these aren't fixable, just that we are treating him as an All-star and he is not that - yet.
He’s also starting to complain too often about missed calls on the offensive end instead of getting back on defense. But hey, I guess it’s better than pushing the ref and starting a fight after a bad call like his peers do, i.e. Ingram
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
Probably what he learned from Kobe in their summer workout.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
He did in college as well. He had a lot of advanced mid range shots/moves that he didn't use much last season. Stevens didn't want him using those much since they're low percentage. It looks like he's being given more latitude this season.
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For those concerned, a few things of note:
Carmelo took 14% of his shots from 10-16 feet and 28% of his shots from 16-23 feet over his career.
Tatum is taking (in his small sample size) 17% of his shots from 10-16 feet and 23% from 16-23 feet.
Even with Tatum's uptick in mid-range shots, he is still not as bad as Melo's career.
On top of that, Melo's TS% was never as good as Tatum's last year or this year. His 3 point shooting was never as good as Tatum's last year.
The main area where Tatum lags behind is FT rate, which does concern me a bit, but Brad Stevens is not Callipari (thank goodness). He doesn't make his players force the issue at the rim to draw fouls.
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Paul Pierce 2.0.
lol PP is already protecting his place. The studio crew was teasing Paul about Tatum having better handles than him when Paul defended his legacy by saying people who said he did not have tight handles or athleticism should visit youtube. LOL.
Paul was a better defender, but Tatum is very, very advanced offensively for his age.
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That fall-away shot also kinda reminded me of KG's shot.
Love this kid.
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He was great but I think sometimes he is more worried about a move than just taking the shot. Of course, developing these moves tends to lead to good things down the road. But sometimes he makes shots more complicated than they have to be at times.
he is twenty [dang]ed years old.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
You pretty much nailed it. I think he needs to remove those long 2's from his game but it's actually nice to watch a player that isn't just jacking up 3's all game.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
You pretty much nailed it. I think he needs to remove those long 2's from his game but it's actually nice to watch a player that isn't just jacking up 3's all game.
Yep. James Harden is the poster boy for the modern NBA. He either takes 3's, gets layups, or shoots free throws. Does this help his team win games? Absolutely. Is it fun to watch as a viewer? Absolutely not.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
In general, yes a three point shot is more efficient than a long two point shot, because it's worth 50% more points but isn't 50% more difficult to make (the NBA probably needs to change this - but that's a different argument).
But not all three point shots are created equal. Generally speaking, an open long two point shot is a more efficient shot than a contested three point shot. Ideally, you'd like to shoot all threes or layups, but when the defense won't allow it, you take what they give you. The teams that can find that balance between forcing the issue (trying to get layups/threes - at any cost), and taking the best open shot available, are the teams that have the most success.
The bottom line is, there is still plenty of value to be had from a good mid-range game. Knowing how and when to use it is the more difficult part.
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I bet Pierce was grinning from ear to ear over that shot . It was exactly how he did things , punish the oppoent , screw with their heads and back it up , Im coming to win the game and YOU can't stop me ....Kobe was simular...Bird . Tatum oozes confidence.
What will he be like at 25 yrs old? smh
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
Don't get me wrong, i totally get the efficiency+math aspect of shooting 3's. The 3 point shot is worth more than 2. However, this is sports and ultimately the goal of sports is to entertain the viewers. Would i rather have 32 highly efficient, high scoring teams, or 32 low efficient, lower scoring, but entertaining to watch teams? I would take the latter.
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
In general, yes a three point shot is more efficient than a long two point shot, because it's worth 50% more points but isn't 50% more difficult to make (the NBA probably needs to change this - but that's a different argument).
But not all three point shots are created equal. Generally speaking, an open long two point shot is a more efficient shot than a contested three point shot. Ideally, you'd like to shoot all threes or layups, but when the defense won't allow it, you take what they give you. The teams that can find that balance between forcing the issue (trying to get layups/threes - at any cost), and taking the best open shot available, are the teams that have the most success.
The bottom line is, there is still plenty of value to be had from a good mid-range game. Knowing how and when to use it is the more difficult part.
All fair points. Ultimately do we care more about teams winning/losing than we care about being entertained as viewers?
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
In general, yes a three point shot is more efficient than a long two point shot, because it's worth 50% more points but isn't 50% more difficult to make (the NBA probably needs to change this - but that's a different argument).
But not all three point shots are created equal. Generally speaking, an open long two point shot is a more efficient shot than a contested three point shot. Ideally, you'd like to shoot all threes or layups, but when the defense won't allow it, you take what they give you. The teams that can find that balance between forcing the issue (trying to get layups/threes - at any cost), and taking the best open shot available, are the teams that have the most success.
The bottom line is, there is still plenty of value to be had from a good mid-range game. Knowing how and when to use it is the more difficult part.
All fair points. Ultimately do we care more about teams winning/losing than we care about being entertained as viewers?
I know that I'd be happier if we won ugly than lost prettily
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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...
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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...
I wrote about it.
He has a looong way to go.
Bites on fakes, gets bumped, does lose concentration after his own scores...
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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...
I wrote about it.
He has a looong way to go.
Bites on fakes, gets bumped, does lose concentration after his own scores...
I want him to take a leaf out of Durant's book in terms of defensive impact. It took Durant quite some time to become even average as a defender though
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
Don't get me wrong, i totally get the efficiency+math aspect of shooting 3's. The 3 point shot is worth more than 2. However, this is sports and ultimately the goal of sports is to entertain the viewers. Would i rather have 32 highly efficient, high scoring teams, or 32 low efficient, lower scoring, but entertaining to watch teams? I would take the latter.
Herm disagrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis
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He seems to shoot a TON of mid range stuff. So is everyone at the moment. Should just be attacking the rim constantly. Dish or get fouled.
I'm grateful for these mid range shots. It takes more skill to get a good shot off in the midrange than it does hoisting 3's. This 3 point analytic era is a snooze fest. I appreciate the art of the midrange.
It’s pretty and artful, but is it as efficient?
The math is simple, but he needs to shoot 50% on those shots to reach the efficiency of a 33.3% 3PT shooter.
Don't get me wrong, i totally get the efficiency+math aspect of shooting 3's. The 3 point shot is worth more than 2. However, this is sports and ultimately the goal of sports is to entertain the viewers. Would i rather have 32 highly efficient, high scoring teams, or 32 low efficient, lower scoring, but entertaining to watch teams? I would take the latter.
Herm disagrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis
For the players and coaches, their job is to win at all cost. For the viewers our job is to be entertained. There has to be a middle ground somewhere along those lines. I have no interest in being bored while watching my favorite sport. I want to be entertained and enthralled by it. My greatest wish (although it will never happen in my lifetime) is for free throws to be removed from the sport. Free throws are inherently boring to watch and serve no purpose for the viewer.
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Someone mentioned yesterday Tatum's defense. Yes, against Magic he showed all his imature defensive moves. He bit on every flop from Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic. It's a looong way to an All Star level...
Have you seen Harden's defense? At least Tatum tries and Harden is a superstar.