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Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #360 on: November 17, 2018, 10:00:24 PM »

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There better be some shake-ups in the lineups on Monday. Brown just hasn't earned the starting spot, and we need a change. Put either Smart or Morris in the starting lineup for now. We have to start setting a better tempo and precedent in starting games and stop either getting down early or setting a passive tone that carries over the rest of the game.
Agree entirely. Moranis was the first one to call this, as far as I remember. Smart is a better defender than Brown, and they’re pretty comparable shooters at this stage
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Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #361 on: November 17, 2018, 10:00:27 PM »

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You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.

This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.

It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.

Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.

Using the old "Rational thought" trick, eh? ;D

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #362 on: November 17, 2018, 10:01:34 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #363 on: November 17, 2018, 10:02:39 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????
I think it’s just because our 3 bigs are all solid vets
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Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #364 on: November 17, 2018, 10:03:31 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #365 on: November 17, 2018, 10:05:28 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.

Brad is the coach, but at some point his unpopular moves MUST yield dividend otherwise he will feel the heat,

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #366 on: November 17, 2018, 10:05:54 PM »

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Both Tatum and Brown are soft. They both don't thrive through contact. It may take years for one or both to take that next step. Besides Irving, they are our hope. When they don't play well we lose.

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #367 on: November 17, 2018, 10:06:10 PM »

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You live by the three you die by the three. There are going to be a ton of blowouts this year because the C's drain 20+ threes in a game. But there will be games like tonight where it doesn't matter how open those shots are and they just won't go down.

This is called a failure by the coaching staff for implementing a philosophy that is that volatile.

It's still early in the season, so hopefully they'll adjust, but as it looks right now it seems Brad and the coaching staff are content with us playing this type of ball with us just chucking up three after three, regardless of the results leading to games like this, which is inexcusable for a team with championship aspirations.
All five starters have shown to be very good(+38%) from three in their career. Analytics show guys who can shoot that good are better off shooting those wide open threes than forcing other shots. It's the new NBA. Golden State and Houston have thrived with similar systems. When everyone gets used to their roles and feel confident and comfortable in their roles, those threes are gonna drop and this team will take off.

Have patience. It not about how you play in October and November. It's how you play in April, May and June that counts.

While Houston is a decent comp, it's not fair at all to compare to GS, who legitimately has the greatest shooter of all-time in Steph and likely a top-5 shooter in Thompson, let alone Durant who is probably a top-5 scorer of all-time and elite three point shooter himself. It's easier to implement this type of philosophy and live with the results with a historically great shooting team. While we're no slouch, it's not a fair comparison at all.

Also, both of those teams have no qualms getting to the basket when they're not hitting either, and all have guys that attack the rim with regularity in Harden, Paul, Curry, Durant, etc. For whatever reason, our guys have just stopped attacking the basket, even though we have plenty of guys in Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, and Hayward, let alone Rozier, Morris, etc., who should easily be getting there.

I understand that hitting shots come and go, and I realize that we're still early in a season that required many role adjustments and players coming back from injury. However, it's still inexcusable that we have literally no other recourse than jack up threes at this point. With our talent, we should have more of a system in place for when we simply can't hit the broad side of a barn, and that's on the coaching staff that we seemingly lack that type of backup plan.

We've unequivocally been awfully coached thus far, and that goes beyond just Brad and into the rest of the staff for not being prepared for this contingency.

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #368 on: November 17, 2018, 10:06:19 PM »

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We just got blown out on our home court by a team that lost to the Mavs by 40 points  a few nights ago. Embarrassing.

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #369 on: November 17, 2018, 10:06:30 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
that must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do.  ::)
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Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #370 on: November 17, 2018, 10:06:43 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.

I think he could help getting a few minutes against a super long guy like Gobert.

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #371 on: November 17, 2018, 10:08:18 PM »

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Sad game to watch.  The season is very disappointing so far even after an exciting good game last night. 

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #372 on: November 17, 2018, 10:08:38 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
that must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do.  ::)

he is the coach...so the buck stops with him..His team is under performing.

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« Reply #373 on: November 17, 2018, 10:09:41 PM »

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For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.

Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.

Re: Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18
« Reply #374 on: November 17, 2018, 10:13:34 PM »

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is RW really street clothes bad????

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.
that must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do.  ::)

he is the coach...so the buck stops with him..His team is under performing.
i think i just entered non sequitur world.  ;D
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