granger to Twolves ?

[ederson]

I don`t know if you can trust this site but here it is

The Indiana Pacers are making a play for the Minnesota Timberwolves' #2 pick. The Pacers have discussed trading their leading scorer and best overall player, Danny Granger. The Pacers have also inquired about Ricky Rubio and Michael Beasley. Reports have surfaced that the T'Wolves are open to trading their pick for veteran pieces to surround their young core. The Pacers, on the other hand, are looking for a power forward and a shooter to help their team. This years draft, however, is considered to be one of the weakest in recent memory.

http://hoops-nation.com/index.php?/topic/3161-pacers-trying-to-acquire-2-pick-with-discussions-including-danny-granger-ricky-rubio-and-michael-beasley/

[KungPoweChicken]

I don't understand why it seems like Indiana is down on Granger. Nevertheless, I don't understand the trade for the Wolves at all. Do they want to get rid of Beasley? You can't play Beasley and Granger at the same time. What about Johnson in all of this? They should just cash in on their pick. That franchise just has no idea what it's doing.

[Cman]

I don't understand this from Indiana's point of view, but a trade centered on the #2 pick + Beasley + parts for Granger is a win for Minny (although I grant you I know little about this year's draft crop other than it is supposed to be "weak").

[blackbird]

I don't understand this for either team, honestly. That's too much risk for Indiana to give up their best player, even if he is overpaid. I mean Rubio's never going to play for them, they didn't want Beasley when he was being given away, and the #2 pick is historically cursed with bad players. At the same time I think that Minnesota could get more help for their team with that package than what Granger offers them.

Minnesota should be targeting deals with the Lakers, Heat, Clippers, and Knicks for Rubio. He has much more value to those teams because he would actually play there.

For example, maybe some deal with the Lakers and Kings that could get them Tyreke Evans. I can't imagine what it would take to get the Kings to part with him, but I do think he'd be a great fit on the Wolves.

[ThaPreacher]

I don't understand this from Indiana's point of view, but a trade centered on the #2 pick + Beasley + parts for Granger is a win for Minny (although I grant you I know little about this year's draft crop other than it is supposed to be "weak").

CAREER SEASON AVERAGES   Danny Granger  Age 28  Height 6'8   

Year   Team   G   GS   MPG   FG%             3P%    FT%   OFF   DEF   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TO       PF    PPG
05-06   IND   78   17   22.6   0.462   0.323   0.777   1.7   3.2   4.9   1.2   0.7   0.8   1.03   2.71   7.5
06-07   IND   82   57   34.0   0.459   0.382   0.803   1.4   3.3   4.6   1.4   0.8   0.7   1.65   2.99   13.9
07-08   IND   80   80   36.0   0.446   0.404   0.852   1.2   4.9   6.1   2.1   1.2   1.0   2.14   3.62   19.6
08-09   IND   67   66   36.2   0.447   0.404   0.878   0.7   4.4   5.1   2.7   1.0   1.4   2.46   3.09   25.8
09-10   IND   62   62   36.7   0.428   0.361   0.848   1.1   4.4   5.5   2.8   1.5   0.8   2.53   2.95   24.1
10-11   IND   79   79   35.0   0.425   0.386   0.848   1.1   4.3   5.4   2.6   1.1   0.8   2.61   2.70   20.5
Career   --   448   361   33.2   0.442   0.385   0.844   1.2   4.1   5.3   2.1   1.0   0.9   2.04   3.01   18.2


Career Averages:  Michael Beasley     Age 22    Height 6'10

Year  Team   G   GS   MPG     FG%   3P%              FT%   OFF   DEF   RPG   APG   SPG   BPG   TO        PF      PPG
08-09   MIA   81   19   24.8   0.472   0.407   0.772   1.4   4.1   5.4   1.0   0.5   0.5   1.49   2.27   13.9
09-10   MIA   78   78   29.8   0.450   0.275   0.800   1.6   4.8   6.4   1.3   1.0   0.6   1.68   2.83   14.8
10-11   MIN   73   73   32.3   0.450   0.366   0.753   1.6   4.0   5.6   2.2   0.7   0.7   2.67   3.04   19.2
Career   --   232   170   28.9   0.457   0.349   0.773   1.5   4.3   5.8   1.5   0.8   0.6   1.93   2.70   15.9



I think it would be a great trade for both teams.  Minny gets a small forward scorer in Granger.  Indy if they can swing it get
Rubio/Beasley and a pick.  I would imagine there would be other pieces involved.  Surprised that so many people get down on Beasely.  He is still so young (22) and improving.  When he is on, he is unstoppable offensively.  When he played in Miami,
they didn't really run sets for him.  He's yet to play with a good squad.  Granger was a steal for Bird the year they drafted him.
I think the Celtics got Gerald Green that year.  Granger would have been a windfall.    (Sigh) Yeah and David Lee. (picked 30th).  Anyhow, I'd love to see the Celtics somehow get involved in that deal but we don't have the pieces (Avery Bradely, Big Baby and JO to pick up Beasely just won't work).  Danny may love Avery Bradely, but Doc doesn't or he'd see more time, instead of the pine.  But I think Indiana and Minnesota both have the right idea.  After all, the draft simply hasn't worked out for Minnesota.

[Cman]

I think it would be a great trade for both teams.  Minny gets a small forward scorer in Granger.  Indy if they can swing it get
Rubio/Beasley and a pick.  I would imagine there would be other pieces involved.  Surprised that so many people get down on Beasely.  He is still so young (22) and improving.  When he is on, he is unstoppable offensively.  When he played in Miami,
they didn't really run sets for him.  He's yet to play with a good squad.  Granger was a steal for Bird the year they drafted him.
I think the Celtics got Gerald Green that year.  Granger would have been a windfall.    (Sigh) Yeah and David Lee. (picked 30th).  Anyhow, I'd love to see the Celtics somehow get involved in that deal but we don't have the pieces (Avery Bradely, Big Baby and JO to pick up Beasely just won't work).  Danny may love Avery Bradely, but Doc doesn't or he'd see more time, instead of the pine.  But I think Indiana and Minnesota both have the right idea.  After all, the draft simply hasn't worked out for Minnesota.

Yeah, too bad Granger didn't fall to the Celtics that year. 

I want to clarify that I'm not down on Beasley -- I like his upside.  I just think Granger is very good, and Indy is basically throwing in the towel with this deal and starting over (rather than trying to build around Granger).  maybe that's what they need to do, though.

[mc34]

This is pretty bad for both teams, I think. Why would the Twolves want to acquire a 28 year old, ball-dominating player for a very young team that will probably remain in the lottery for a few more years? By the time the Twolves even come close to sniffing the playoffs, Granger will slowly start to begin declining when they could have had a young, developing Derrick Williams or someone else?

[Roy H.]

There's no way I'd give up Beasley + Rubio + #2 (Derrick Williams) for Granger.  Beasley and Granger had very similar years last season -- Link -- and Beasley is six years younger.  Yes, he's a headcase, but I don't think that whatever maturity gap there is is worth Rubio and Williams.

Now, throw in Collison and Indiana's #1 (15th), and I might be more willing to consider it.

[wdleehi]

There's no way I'd give up Beasley + Rubio + #2 (Derrick Williams) for Granger.  Beasley and Granger had very similar years last season -- Link -- and Beasley is six years younger.  Yes, he's a headcase, but I don't think that whatever maturity gap there is is worth Rubio and Williams.

Now, throw in Collison and Indiana's #1 (15th), and I might be more willing to consider it.

I can't put Beasley on the same level as Granger.  He had one season like this while disappearing in big game in previous seasons.


With that said, Granger for Beasley and the 2nd pick (plus cap filler) might make sense. 

[wiley]

I think Irving deserves to be picked # 1, but it's definitely a two-stud draft (3 if Kanter's knees hold up), and Derrick Williams is a stud.

Seems like too much to ask Minny for Derrick Williams and a bunch of stuff....unless it's minor stuff.

If I were Indy I'd work hard to get D. Williams....

[Boris Badenov]

There's no way I'd give up Beasley + Rubio + #2 (Derrick Williams) for Granger.  Beasley and Granger had very similar years last season -- Link -- and Beasley is six years younger.  Yes, he's a headcase, but I don't think that whatever maturity gap there is is worth Rubio and Williams.

Now, throw in Collison and Indiana's #1 (15th), and I might be more willing to consider it.

One benefit of getting Granger, and this is only a benefit from MIN's perspective, is that Granger is locked up for many years. It's possible that MIN has realized - rightly in my mind - that few players will willingly re-sign there, so trading for stars on long contracts is a good move. They might fear losing Beasley, who's likely to overvalue himself. And Rubio certainly hasn't given any indication that he'd play there.

I also think that Granger's career length should be longer than average given his age. He was a four year guy, so he's a "young" 27. He doesn't rely too much on athleticism. Etc.

I do agree about the price. Beasley + Rubio for Granger seems about right, no draft picks involved.

[greenpride32]

During the 1st round playoff series against CHI (and what an odd time to come out and say this), Larry Bird came straight out and said he doesn't think Granger is good enough to be a first option.  Since Bird has re-upped in IND look for Granger to get moved.  I'm sure Granger isn't exactly thrilled about management's lack of confidence in him either.

[Who]

Danny Granger for Derrick Williams is an interesting trade.

I think Indiana wins that deal. I'd rather have Williams youth and upside of Granger's current ability.

[Army_of_One_Nation]

Danny Granger. Sigh....I remember him going 1 pick ahead of Gerald Green.

[Celtic#9]

Give Williams a few years and he will be just as good as Granger. The Pacers are on the border and won't contend till Granger is to old to contribute. It is a steal for the Pacers. Beasley and Granger had similar #'s when they first enetered the league. Heck throw in D. Williams and they are set. Even swap I think, maybe even towards the Pacers. Throw in Rubio and my-oh-my they got a steal. Core of:

Collison, Rubio, Beasley, Williams, Hansborough, Hibbert, Paul Gearge, and who know maybe the can get Kenneth Farried to add some toughness. Personally, I think they are one star veteran SG and a few years experience away from as contender.