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Quote from: guava_wrench on January 06, 2010, 06:26:13 PMQuote from: Roy Hobbs on January 06, 2010, 06:19:05 PMQuote from: nickagneta on January 06, 2010, 05:40:47 PMMy guess is before the end of the month Washington will have voided his contract based on Grunfeld's comments. I don't see how any other conclusion can be drawn. This will completely change the way the Wizards could approach the off season as, if they trade away Jamison and Stephenson in a package for an expiring contract and picks, the Wizards could have as much as $33 million in cap space for two max or nearly max level players to add to Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Randy Foye and Domenic McGuire.I'm sure the Wizards will attempt to void the contract, and under the Uniform Player Contract they have the right to do so. However, I'm skeptical that an arbitrator will actually uphold that action, due to the unprecedented nature of it. I mean, if the Celtics couldn't get out of Vin Baker's contract (and were forced to settle on Baker's terms) after he was physically unable to perform and was suspended multiple times, then I'm skeptical that an arbitrator will sustain the voiding of a $100 million contract. There are always conduct clauses in the contracts. Being an alcoholic doesn't satisfy that. You can't void a contract just because a player can't play.I'll take your word though on the difficulty.The UPC also allows a team to void a contract if a player does not keep himself in good physical condition.Also, as noted above, the Warriors were unable to void Sprewell's contract.
Quote from: Roy Hobbs on January 06, 2010, 06:19:05 PMQuote from: nickagneta on January 06, 2010, 05:40:47 PMMy guess is before the end of the month Washington will have voided his contract based on Grunfeld's comments. I don't see how any other conclusion can be drawn. This will completely change the way the Wizards could approach the off season as, if they trade away Jamison and Stephenson in a package for an expiring contract and picks, the Wizards could have as much as $33 million in cap space for two max or nearly max level players to add to Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Randy Foye and Domenic McGuire.I'm sure the Wizards will attempt to void the contract, and under the Uniform Player Contract they have the right to do so. However, I'm skeptical that an arbitrator will actually uphold that action, due to the unprecedented nature of it. I mean, if the Celtics couldn't get out of Vin Baker's contract (and were forced to settle on Baker's terms) after he was physically unable to perform and was suspended multiple times, then I'm skeptical that an arbitrator will sustain the voiding of a $100 million contract. There are always conduct clauses in the contracts. Being an alcoholic doesn't satisfy that. You can't void a contract just because a player can't play.I'll take your word though on the difficulty.
Quote from: nickagneta on January 06, 2010, 05:40:47 PMMy guess is before the end of the month Washington will have voided his contract based on Grunfeld's comments. I don't see how any other conclusion can be drawn. This will completely change the way the Wizards could approach the off season as, if they trade away Jamison and Stephenson in a package for an expiring contract and picks, the Wizards could have as much as $33 million in cap space for two max or nearly max level players to add to Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Randy Foye and Domenic McGuire.I'm sure the Wizards will attempt to void the contract, and under the Uniform Player Contract they have the right to do so. However, I'm skeptical that an arbitrator will actually uphold that action, due to the unprecedented nature of it. I mean, if the Celtics couldn't get out of Vin Baker's contract (and were forced to settle on Baker's terms) after he was physically unable to perform and was suspended multiple times, then I'm skeptical that an arbitrator will sustain the voiding of a $100 million contract.
My guess is before the end of the month Washington will have voided his contract based on Grunfeld's comments. I don't see how any other conclusion can be drawn. This will completely change the way the Wizards could approach the off season as, if they trade away Jamison and Stephenson in a package for an expiring contract and picks, the Wizards could have as much as $33 million in cap space for two max or nearly max level players to add to Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Randy Foye and Domenic McGuire.
Just saw it on the pre game show. Yahoo is tweeting that he is gone for 1 year . So for those of you who were worried he would only get 30 games and then be able to sign with cleveland or LA ,no need to worry.
Quote from: rondohondo on January 06, 2010, 07:14:47 PMJust saw it on the pre game show. Yahoo is tweeting that he is gone for 1 year . So for those of you who were worried he would only get 30 games and then be able to sign with cleveland or LA ,no need to worry.Link?Everything I can see still says indefinite because the league wants to let the legal consequences become apparent before they go on record with a length.
The NBA and the Wizards would have the same problem the NBA and the Warriors had with Sprewell: the arbitrator didn't see the disciplinary action as proportional nor supported by the past practices of the league and teams, seeing it as arbitrary. Re: Arenas I suspect their case will be even more difficult to make: they didn't find the penalty to be serious enough to warrant an immediate disciplinary action but now want to handle an 1 year suspension and void the contract?
ARTICLE VI: PLAYER CONDUCT Section 9. Firearms.(a) Whenever a player is physically present at a facility or venue owned, operated, or being used by a Team, the NBA, or any League-related entity, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business, whether on behalf of the player’s Team, the NBA, or any League-related entity, such player shall not possess a firearm of any kind. For purposes of the foregoing, “a facility or venue” includes, but is not limited to: an arena; a practice facility; a Team or League office or facility; an All-Star or NBA Playoff venue; and the site of a promotional or charitable appearance.(b) Any violation of Section 9(a) above shall be considered conduct prejudicial to the NBA under Article 35(d) of the NBA Constitution and By-Laws, and shall therefore subject the player to discipline by the NBA in accordance with such Article.
EXCERPT FROM NBA CONSTITUTION (MISCONDUCT)35. The provisions of this Article 35 shall govern all Players in the Association, hereinafter referred to as “Players.”(d) The Commissioner shall have the power to suspend for a definite or indefinite period, or to impose a fine not exceeding $50,000, or inflict both such suspension and fine upon any Player who, in his opinion, (i) shall have made or caused to be made any statement having, or that was designed to have, an effect prejudicial or detrimental to the best interests of basketball or of the Association or of a Member, or (ii) shall have been guilty of conduct that does not conform to standards of morality or fair play, that does not comply at all times with all federal, state, and local laws, or that is prejudicial or detrimental to the Association.
ARTICLE II: UNIFORM PLAYER CONTRACTSection 5. Conformity.(a) All currently effective Player Contracts, and all Player Contracts entered into following the execution of this Agreement that do not otherwise so provide, shall be deemed amended in such manner to require the parties to comply with all terms of this Agreement, including the terms of the Uniform Player Contract annexed hereto as Exhibit A. All Player Contracts shall be subject to the terms of this Agreement, which shall supersede the terms of any Player Contract inconsistent herewith. No Player Contract shall provide for the waiver by a player or a Team of any benefits or the sacrifice of any rights to which the player or the Team is entitled by virtue of a Uniform Player Contract or this Agreement.
The problem Nick is that similar offenses for gun possession have not resulted in year long bans.
Quote from: Fafnir on January 06, 2010, 07:42:38 PMThe problem Nick is that similar offenses for gun possession have not resulted in year long bans.Similar offenses. There haven't been any. He's the only one ever to bring them into a "venue".
Quote from: nickagneta on January 06, 2010, 07:54:08 PMQuote from: Fafnir on January 06, 2010, 07:42:38 PMThe problem Nick is that similar offenses for gun possession have not resulted in year long bans.Similar offenses. There haven't been any. He's the only one ever to bring them into a "venue".Having them on the team bus, plane, or facility has happened though correct? Those have only been single digit games.
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