Big Man Options

[Fierce1]

Always go for a bargain. Most of these big men don't really provide anything else for their price. Wait for a buyout market or trade for someone cheap like Noel.

Going for someone on the cheap really isn't any better than giving up something of value to get something of value. If you go cheap, you get cheap results.

And I'm not sure Noel is better than anybody currently on the team.

I agree.

Celts went that route with Greg Monroe and it was the perfect example of going cheap and ending up with cheap results.

Also, RWill is better than Nerlens Noel right now.

[gpap]

Always go for a bargain. Most of these big men don't really provide anything else for their price. Wait for a buyout market or trade for someone cheap like Noel.

Going for someone on the cheap really isn't any better than giving up something of value to get something of value. If you go cheap, you get cheap results.

And I'm not sure Noel is better than anybody currently on the team.

I agree.

Celts went that route with Greg Monroe and it was the perfect example of going cheap and ending up with cheap results.

Also, RWill is better than Nerlens Noel right now.

I'd say so. I really want to see more RW3. I think we might have something very special in him. Athletic 6'8 player who can block, defend, throw down the alley oop.

[liam]

Always go for a bargain. Most of these big men don't really provide anything else for their price. Wait for a buyout market or trade for someone cheap like Noel.

Going for someone on the cheap really isn't any better than giving up something of value to get something of value. If you go cheap, you get cheap results.

And I'm not sure Noel is better than anybody currently on the team.

I agree.

Celts went that route with Greg Monroe and it was the perfect example of going cheap and ending up with cheap results.

Also, RWill is better than Nerlens Noel right now.

I'd say so. I really want to see more RW3. I think we might have something very special in him. Athletic 6'8 player who can block, defend, throw down the alley oop.

I agree with giving TIMELORD minutes but he has been a little injury prone. I think Vincent Poirier might be useful once the game slows down for him. He seems  a step slow right now but I think it's more metal than physical but time will tell.

[Fierce1]

Rob Williams can be the big man of the future for the Celts.

But right now, RWill is just not ready to handle the full load in the playoffs.

This Celtics team, in my opinion, can reach the east finals this season.

[Valid]

Those who were not sold on Sabonis before the season started, Sabonis is averaging 21.8 ppg and 11.4 rpg so far.

David Lee was once a 20 and 10 guy, as well.

Just because you put up counting numbers does not mean you are incredibly valuable. Sabonis is good for what he is: post scoring and rebounding. He is a mediocre to bad defender who doesn't protect the rim and can't guard the pick and roll. I also need to see him be more of a floor spacer, which is something he has never done on a consistent basis.

Sabonis is not the type of big I want on this team. Myles Turner, on the other hand...

Not like it matters anyway. The Pacers aren't trading either of them.

[liam]

Those who were not sold on Sabonis before the season started, Sabonis is averaging 21.8 ppg and 11.4 rpg so far.

David Lee was once a 20 and 10 guy, as well.

Just because you put up counting numbers does not mean you are incredibly valuable. Sabonis is good for what he is: post scoring and rebounding. He is a mediocre to bad defender who doesn't protect the rim and can't guard the pick and roll. I also need to see him be more of a floor spacer, which is something he has never done on a consistent basis.

Sabonis is not the type of big I want on this team. Myles Turner, on the other hand...

Not like it matters anyway. The Pacers aren't trading either of them.

I think Kanter is as good or better than Sabonis.

[footey]

Those who were not sold on Sabonis before the season started, Sabonis is averaging 21.8 ppg and 11.4 rpg so far.

David Lee was once a 20 and 10 guy, as well.

Just because you put up counting numbers does not mean you are incredibly valuable. Sabonis is good for what he is: post scoring and rebounding. He is a mediocre to bad defender who doesn't protect the rim and can't guard the pick and roll. I also need to see him be more of a floor spacer, which is something he has never done on a consistent basis.

Sabonis is not the type of big I want on this team. Myles Turner, on the other hand...

Not like it matters anyway. The Pacers aren't trading either of them.

I think Kanter is as good or better than Sabonis.

Kanter pleasant surprise but c’mon.

[Wretch]

Unless people are willing to give up Smart in a trade I don't see viable trades.  Maybe a buyout candidate, but is anyone that is getting bought out better than what we have and willing to sign for the vet minimum?

[Somebody]

Those who were not sold on Sabonis before the season started, Sabonis is averaging 21.8 ppg and 11.4 rpg so far.

David Lee was once a 20 and 10 guy, as well.

Just because you put up counting numbers does not mean you are incredibly valuable. Sabonis is good for what he is: post scoring and rebounding. He is a mediocre to bad defender who doesn't protect the rim and can't guard the pick and roll. I also need to see him be more of a floor spacer, which is something he has never done on a consistent basis.

Sabonis is not the type of big I want on this team. Myles Turner, on the other hand...

Not like it matters anyway. The Pacers aren't trading either of them.

This, TP for pointing out how faulty box stats are. I do think that Sabonis can bring significant value to a team though if he improves his passing and maintains his outside shooting efficiency on higher volume, if he manages to make those improvements to his game he'll be a great offensive piece for any team. His defense imo is a bit underrated, he gets into the right spot enough to make me think that he isn't anything less than a neutral defender. With that being said I wouldn't trade Jaylen Brown for him lol.

[MichiganAdam]

I add a [ick to Jaylen for him.  Probably a lottery protected first.

[nickagneta]

I add a [ick to Jaylen for him.  Probably a lottery protected first.

Add a pick to Jaylen for who?

Sabonis?

Neither Brown nor Sabonis are eligible to be traded until their teams' seasons end. Neither is being traded this year.

[Wretch]

I add a [ick to Jaylen for him.  Probably a lottery protected first.

Add a pick to Jaylen for who?

Sabonis?

Neither Brown nor Sabonis are eligible to be traded until their teams' seasons end. Neither is being traded this year.

They theoretically could be traded but the mechanics of it make it almost impossible. Because they signed extensions they only count for 3-4m in outgoing salary but their incoming salary is significantly higher.  It  makes the cap math almost impossible.

[nickagneta]

I add a [ick to Jaylen for him.  Probably a lottery protected first.

Add a pick to Jaylen for who?

Sabonis?

Neither Brown nor Sabonis are eligible to be traded until their teams' seasons end. Neither is being traded this year.

They theoretically could be traded but the mechanics of it make it almost impossible. Because they signed extensions they only count for 3-4m in outgoing salary but their incoming salary is significantly higher.  It  makes the cap math almost impossible.

No....once you sign an extension you are unable to be traded for 6 months. That ends after the trade deadline for this season so they can't be traded until after the team's season ends.

[Wretch]

I add a [ick to Jaylen for him.  Probably a lottery protected first.

Add a pick to Jaylen for who?

Sabonis?

Neither Brown nor Sabonis are eligible to be traded until their teams' seasons end. Neither is being traded this year.

They theoretically could be traded but the mechanics of it make it almost impossible. Because they signed extensions they only count for 3-4m in outgoing salary but their incoming salary is significantly higher.  It  makes the cap math almost impossible.

No....once you sign an extension you are unable to be traded for 6 months. That ends after the trade deadline for this season so they can't be traded until after the team's season ends.

Pretty sure the 6 month thing applies to FA/RFA signings this what I read from Karalis.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/10/jaylen-brown-contract-extension-5-ways-this-impacts-the-boston-celtics.html

"This contract now falls under what’s called the “poison pill provision.”

So what that means is if Brown was to be traded between now and when the extension kicks in, his value for the receiving team is the average of this, the final year of his rookie deal, and the value of his extension. That’s number is about $24.3 million.

However, the Celtics would use his current year’s salary, about $6.5 million.

That makes matching salaries extraordinarily difficult. It’s not impossible, but, basically, forget it."

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I add a [ick to Jaylen for him.  Probably a lottery protected first.

Add a pick to Jaylen for who?

Sabonis?

Neither Brown nor Sabonis are eligible to be traded until their teams' seasons end. Neither is being traded this year.

They theoretically could be traded but the mechanics of it make it almost impossible. Because they signed extensions they only count for 3-4m in outgoing salary but their incoming salary is significantly higher.  It  makes the cap math almost impossible.

No....once you sign an extension you are unable to be traded for 6 months. That ends after the trade deadline for this season so they can't be traded until after the team's season ends.

Pretty sure the 6 month thing applies to FA/RFA signings this what I read from Karalis.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/10/jaylen-brown-contract-extension-5-ways-this-impacts-the-boston-celtics.html

"This contract now falls under what’s called the “poison pill provision.”

So what that means is if Brown was to be traded between now and when the extension kicks in, his value for the receiving team is the average of this, the final year of his rookie deal, and the value of his extension. That’s number is about $24.3 million.

However, the would use his current year’s salary, about $6.5 million.

That makes matching salaries extraordinarily difficult. It’s not impossible, but, basically, forget it."

Somewhat true. The Mavs have a exemption of 11.5 million. The Cs could deal Brown to another team. The other team could trade a rotation guy to the Mavs into their excemption. And the other team could send back something in the 6-10 million range to the Cs.

I wouldn't do this deal, but this is an example.
The Cs receive Bam
The Heat receive Brown, trade excemption
The Mavs receive a 2nd, Leonard