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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: rondofan1255 on September 04, 2018, 11:36:41 AM
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Would you do this? Who says no? Wall signed an extension last year:
The Washington Wizards and All-Star point guard John Wall have agreed to a four-year, $170 million extension, a league source told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
The deal, first reported by TNT, begins in 2019, the source said. It includes a fourth-year player option and a 15 percent trade kicker.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20126796/john-wall-agrees-extension-washington-wizards
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I believe Wall is the better player, but his contract and age make that a no go.
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I believe Wall is the better player
Shock.
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John Wall might have the worst contract in the NBA.
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John Wall might have the worst contract in the NBA.
And a bad personality.
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I believe Wall is the better player, but his contract and age make that a no go.
In the fourth quarter with a playoff game on the line would you really rather have Wall? Not me.
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Can't we just be happy that the Celtics have one of the best players in the world in Irving? I don't get the constant need to come up with trade ideas to ship the guy out of town.
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I voted "no". Let's just leave it at that.
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I believe Wall is the better player
Well I disagree
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Absolutely not. We'd be giving up the superior player. It's laughable to elevate Wall above Irving.
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John Wall might have the worst contract in the NBA.
I'd rather see Kyrie walk away for nothing than take on Wall's albatross of a contract.
And not only is Wall's contract horrific, but his game won't age well as it is predicated on quickness and athleticism, while not being a very good outside shooter, so he's likely to decline much more rapidly and be much less useful as "Old John Wall" than "Old Kyrie" will be (Kyrie's shooting stroke will prolong his productive career). Kyrie is also younger than Wall.
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I voted "no". Let's just leave it at that.
I 2nd that.
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Not a chance.
I take Kyrie over Wall, 7 days a week.
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I wish we could combine them into one player.
Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.
Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.
Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.
I see the appeal for acquiring Wall. With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator. But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
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Kyrie is making these threads just to test whether we appreciate him or not. Good job everyone.
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Terrible contract. Seemingly awful guy to play with. Older than Kyrie.
Oh yeah, and isn’t a better player than Kyrie. So no
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So far 24 no, 0 yes and a maybe. I guess Celticsblog has spoken.
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Make that 28 saying no, still that 1 maybe and 1 yes? Someone's CB license should be revoked. :police:
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I wish we could combine them into one player.
Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.
Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.
Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.
I see the appeal for acquiring Wall. With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator. But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot. Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble. Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player. However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
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I wish we could combine them into one player.
Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.
Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.
Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.
I see the appeal for acquiring Wall. With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator. But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot. Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble. Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player. However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden
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I wish we could combine them into one player.
Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.
Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.
Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.
I see the appeal for acquiring Wall. With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator. But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot. Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble. Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player. However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden
Walls defense has been greatly overrated over the last 3 years. He gives half effort 90% of the time. Other 10% highlights that repetitive display make fans believe he is just that. And he isn't. His team peaked at 41-49 wins in the last 5 years. And that is just a tad better than an NBA purgatory. He had a decent, but not great supporting cast, one of the best in the East. He couldn't beat us 2 years ago, in his peak. Also, he is breaking down, he can't shoot and he thinks he is MJ. His contract is one of the scariest in the league and he is one injury away from being worse than Rozier. Also, he won't age well injuries/no range.
I'd take Kemba over Wall any day of the week.
And I'd take Kyrie over Kemba 8 days a week.
This trade proposal is beyond my comprehension.
And poll results confirm it.
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I wish we could combine them into one player.
Wall is a significantly better passer and defender.
Kyrie is a significantly better / more efficient scorer and shooter.
Neither seems like a fantastic leader, as each has been a bit prickly with teammates at times.
I see the appeal for acquiring Wall. With scorers like Hayward and Tatum, Kyrie's elite scoring is arguably less important than defense and having more of a facilitator. But, if it's not broke, don't fix it at this point, unless a trade is clearly in our favor.
Irving is a better shooter but as I mentioned in the Lillard thread he only scores around 1.26 points per shot. Wall is at 1.19 in large part because he gets to the line so much more frequently, which not only increases his scoring efficiency but helps put the other team in foul trouble. Given Wall is a significantly better passer and defender, in a vacuum I'd rather have him as he is the better player. However, this isn't a vacuum and given age and contract you stick with Irving.
Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,Wall is only good at iso defense so they are about even in defense, also in playoffs it's the shooting not fouls you want, see Harden
Walls defense has been greatly overrated over the last 3 years. He gives half effort 90% of the time. Other 10% highlights that repetitive display make fans believe he is just that. And he isn't. His team peaked at 41-49 wins in the last 5 years. And that is just a tad better than an NBA purgatory. He had a decent, but not great supporting cast, one of the best in the East. He couldn't beat us 2 years ago, in his peak. Also, he is breaking down, he can't shoot and he thinks he is MJ. His contract is one of the scariest in the league and he is one injury away from being worse than Rozier. Also, he won't age well injuries/no range.
I'd take Kemba over Wall any day of the week.
And I'd take Kyrie over Kemba 8 days a week.
This trade proposal is beyond my comprehension.
And poll results confirm it.
100% agree. Wall is so severely overrated because he puts up empty numbers
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
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Wall is not a better passer than Kyrie lol,
Is this sarcasm?
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How many Trade idea Irving threads before the end of next June? I am banging my head against the Wall with each passing one!
In the playoffs and finals, there is nobody in the Eastern Conference I would rather have shoot the ball at the end of the game with everything on the line and his name does not contain the letter W in it.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
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In fantasy basketball, Wall. In real life basketball, Kyrie
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
Where was he for game 7?
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Why?????
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
Where was he for game 7?
Having surgery that was scheduled ahead of time where the doctor was a specialist and had a very tight schedule. That has been answered on this blog enough times it's nauseating. No one in the organization had a problem with it except fans looking to complain about something. What was he supposed to do? Cancel it and then not have it scheduled until the recovery time caused him not to be ready for this season?
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
(puts green goggles on) Also, Kyrie never slapped Crowder in the face.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
Then shouldn't people blame Wall's locker room clashes on Washington?
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
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gross.
Irving and its not even close.
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Is like trading MJ for Nick Young
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
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I don’t think I’ve ever hated a trade idea more.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
He wasn't a plus in that locker room, but that locker room was LeBron's, who to acknowledge his "dominance" and leadership, left "his team" after being a player/quasi-coach/quasi-GM there. He spent their draft picks and grossly overpaid some players (TT, JR) to help his player agency (Clutch sports). When players try to be more than players - they usually suck at it. And Lebron is a great example of it. To digress, MJ is probably the GOAT in that regard too.
Kyrie didn't like that. He is a player that plays, he likes his coach Stevens to coach and his GM Ainge to manage the team. He has a very healthy approach and I share his view of how a team should function. Duncan and Spurs included.
Voting results are: 95% say no the idea (very convincing), one member along with Moranis (who still has his feelings hurt) said yes and one other member is undecided.
By my standards, Mo' is not a Celtic fan. I admit here, in Croatia, fandom is closer to fanaticism than to classical rooting for a team, and maybe many won't agree with me. But what is intriguing to me is why we, the Celtic fans are responding to a disappointed Cavs fan with such zeal, day after day. We will never make him understand this, for us a very plain thing, he doesn't want to accept it, even with the year behind us. We also probably shouldn't. He should root for his team, just like we will root for our team, even though he is a CB moderator. He obviously has that right.
Anyway - 65-17. HC in the finals, banner 18.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
He wasn't a plus in that locker room, but that locker room was LeBron's, who to acknowledge his "dominance" and leadership, left "his team" after being a player/quasi-coach/quasi-GM there. He spent their draft picks and grossly overpaid some players (TT, JR) to help his player agency (Clutch sports). When players try to be more than players - they usually suck at it. And Lebron is a great example of it. To digress, MJ is probably the GOAT in that regard too.
Kyrie didn't like that. He is a player that plays, he likes his coach Stevens to coach and his GM Ainge to manage the team. He has a very healthy approach and I share his view of how a team should function. Duncan and Spurs included.
Voting results are: 95% say no the idea (very convincing), one member along with Moranis (who still has his feelings hurt) said yes and one other member is undecided.
By my standards, Mo' is not a Celtic fan. I admit here, in Croatia, fandom is closer to fanaticism than to classical rooting for a team, and maybe many won't agree with me. But what is intriguing to me is why we, the Celtic fans are responding to a disappointed Cavs fan with such zeal, day after day. We will never make him understand this, for us a very plain thing, he doesn't want to accept it, even with the year behind us. We also probably shouldn't. He should root for his team, just like we will root for our team, even though he is a CB moderator. He obviously has that right.
Anyway - 65-17. HC in the finals, banner 18.
A few things:
1. "He wasn't a plus in that locker room". That's what I'm getting at. He wasn't a plus in the pre-Lebron Cavs locker room, either. He was last year, as he seems to have the respect of his teammates. A one year track record isn't enough to add leadership / chemistry-building as a positive skill for him in my opinion;
2. I think Kyrie has a healthy interest in branding. He's not Lebron in that regard, but he has sponsorships and businesses that he prioritizes, as well. I do agree that to date we haven't seen him trying to mess with Brad or Danny, though.
3. In terms of the poll, I mentioned above that I wouldn't make the trade, either. But, that doesn't mean that Kyrie is better than Wall across the board, or that he doesn't have flaws. I think it's fair to point out respective strengths, weaknesses, and areas where each player is just average.
4. Please keep these discussions about arguments, not posters, and please don't question fanhood. It goes for all members, not just Moranis (who takes an inordinate amount of grief for his opinions, but stays civil.)
5. 65-17 and a title works for me.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
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1.Wizard is Wall's team all alone, he has all the power
2.Wall doesn't have a problem with Wizard, unlike Irving being sick of his team's viral enviroment
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You know what's cool about giving that team the silent treatment, though? It means Kyrie doesn't like our biggest rival. Fine by me. Waiters has been polarizing on 3 teams already? Weak points.
As for Wall not having problem with Wizards? Serious question, have you ever seen a Wizards game? Gortat is off the team. Gortat has no documented attitude issues. The Wizards were better without Wall because they passed - Wall's primary strength is speed. He averages a lot of assists but it's because he one-on-ones and tosses hero passes. He constantly frowns and appears to be pleading with teammates. Bradley Beal is better at this point. I wouldn't trade Rozier for Wall. Let's say Irving and Wall both go out (separately) for dinner with Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Horford. Which group gets a long better?
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??
Honestly, no, you weren’t particularly clear.
So you’re saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder? Or,’because he felt “disrespected “, anything goes?
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??
Honestly, no, you weren’t particularly clear.
So you’re saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder? Or,’because he felt “disrespected “, anything goes?
If he felt disrespected by whoever i'm in for him to not showing respect back, whoever they are
Kyrie gave his Cavs teammates cold attitude before he ask for trade , there is a reason which none of us know but since i know how he treat his coach/GM/teammates differently in Bos i assume he has good reason to do it, like being treated disrespectful and it's easy to imagine their teammates to side with Lebron against Kyrie since it's Lebron's team
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No thanks.
I'll take / keep Little Mountain.
Little Mountain put up a BIG performance in the Finals before and is proven.
Can't wait to see him pairing with GH, Big Al, Tatum, Brown, Smart and the rest of this talented team.
We are going to do GREAT things next season and Kyrie Irving will be at the helm.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??
Honestly, no, you weren’t particularly clear.
So you’re saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder? Or,’because he felt “disrespected “, anything goes?
If he felt disrespected by whoever i'm in for him to not showing respect back, whoever they are
Kyrie gave his Cavs teammates cold attitude before he ask for trade , there is a reason which none of us know but since i know how he treat his coach/GM/teammates differently in Bos i assume he has good reason to do it, like being treated disrespectful and it's easy to imagine their teammates to side with Lebron against Kyrie since it's Lebron's team
He didn't talk to his teammates in the middle of the playoffs. This wasn't him icing them out after the season was over, he did it in the middle of a playoff run.
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LOL so I admittedly haven't been on here the last few weeks because I was busy but also because pretty much it was the "boring time" between end of FA and the start of the season.
I decide to pop in today, and the first thing I see is this trade idea proposal with such a (understandably) lopsided poll. Love you Celticsblog fam! :P :laugh:
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I don't hold locker room drama in Cleveland against Kyrie. That entire locker room and organization were dysfunctional. We know that. It was even worse this past season with Irving gone.
Kyrie was spoken of very highly by everyone in the Celtics organization last year and is always spoken of highly by USA basketball teammates and coaches and, if I remember correctly, was never a locker room problem pre-Lebron's return.
Maybe Wall would be better too if he was removed from the Washington situation (or maybe shipping out Gortat will do the trick) but he does seem like a more difficult guy to deal with.
Anyway, 95% no on the poll.
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I don't hold locker room drama in Cleveland against Kyrie. That entire locker room and organization were dysfunctional. We know that. It was even worse this past season with Irving gone.
Kyrie was spoken of very highly by everyone in the Celtics organization last year and is always spoken of highly by USA basketball teammates and coaches and, if I remember correctly, was never a locker room problem pre-Lebron's return.
Maybe Wall would be better too if he was removed from the Washington situation (or maybe shipping out Gortat will do the trick) but he does seem like a more difficult guy to deal with.
Anyway, 95% no on the poll.
Irving was absolutely a problem in the Cavs locker room before Lebron returned and they were an even bigger mess. In the Deng thread recently, I posted some comments from Deng about him going to Cleveland and what a disaster it was.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
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Kyrie is a better scorer both volume and efficiency wise.
(https://i.gyazo.com/54fa9433c5c036a18681136e786c409c.png) source (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1_select=Kyrie+Irving&player_id1=irvinky01&player_id2_hint=John+Wall&player_id2_select=John+Wall&player_id2=walljo01&idx=players)
He is also more experienced and a better locker room presence.
To his credit though, Wall doesn't use the word appreciative.
Is Kyrie a strong positive locker room presence? He feuded with Dion Waiters, gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs, threatened to sit out the season with an exaggerated injury if he wasn’t traded, he has allowed rumors about his departure to linger, etc.
I don’t see chemistry as being a strength for either Kyrie or Wall.
In Cleveland he may have been a problem but management here in Boston and the young players here in Boston love him.
TP. In a village franchise such as Cavs are, it is no surprise they ticked Kyrie off. He has been lovely since day 1 in Boston.
If Kyrie has a problem with Cleveland then it's Cleveland's fault, period
I'm more in favor of personal accountability.
Really? Demarcus. Cough. Cousins. Cough.
Lol, yeah. Seems like double standards here
How so? Has anyone ever lauded DMC for being a positive locker room presence?
Kyrie hasn’t been a positive in the locker room for much of his career. Neither has Wall. Neither has DMC. Some seem unwilling to acknowledge that fact.
The only rift I've heard of was with Dion freakin Waiters, who has a notable lazy streak. He left Lebron without feuding or being a jerk about it. Everyone on that team questioned Love.
Everyone loves him on the Celtics. Brown, Tatum, and Rozier all speak really highly of him and his leadership skills.
The guy gave his teammates the silent treatment in the playoffs. How is that a plus in the locker room?
I've heard this rumor, but this could be from a singular source that didn't like Kyrie. He still played hard for his team.
As another poster said, that team was a disaster. It speaks more about Lebron's leadership than Irving's. I thought Irving fell in line with Lebron's leadership, even if at times it made him icy. He couldn't take it anymore when he found out they were trying to trade him, which is when he asked for a trade.
It may be short-sighted, but Irving was a model teammate and leader last year. The young guys loved him. I think they gained a lot of confidence through his leadership on and off the court. I don't think Rozier develops that much without him. I don't think Brown develops as quickly. I don't think Tatum shoots as well.
Dave McMenamin put it out there, but it does appear his source was James Jones, who is obviously a Lebron guy. that said no one refuted it either, including Kyrie.
Yeah, I get it, but grown men don't respond to every accusation.
Sure, but that one is pretty [dang]ing and came from a credible and connected source. This wasn't just some social media loon putting it out there.
I am the supporter of "treat them the way they treat you", obviously Irving ain't happy in Cleveland cause it's Lebrons team and if he felt to be disrespected i am all for him to respond
So, if he feels disrespected by Lebron, he should ice out Thompson, Love, etc.?
??"treat them the way they treat you" am i not clear enough??
Honestly, no, you weren’t particularly clear.
So you’re saying that Kyrie should *not* give his teammates the cold shoulder? Or,’because he felt “disrespected “, anything goes?
If he felt disrespected by whoever i'm in for him to not showing respect back, whoever they are
Kyrie gave his Cavs teammates cold attitude before he ask for trade , there is a reason which none of us know but since i know how he treat his coach/GM/teammates differently in Bos i assume he has good reason to do it, like being treated disrespectful and it's easy to imagine their teammates to side with Lebron against Kyrie since it's Lebron's team
He didn't talk to his teammates in the middle of the playoffs. This wasn't him icing them out after the season was over, he did it in the middle of a playoff run.
Yes, he did, that's what i mean, during playoff or not doesn't change my statement
KI did fight in that playoff run and it's enough for me, apparently their chemistry was broken and that affected their play on the court and KI was part of it but i'm fine with it because i don't think it's his responsibility alone, it's everybody's, and if you want to call someone out that man should be Lebron
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
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Have you seen Wall’s contract? I would rather Irving walk and the Celtics promote Rozier before taking that albatross of a contract on.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
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It is a question of life and death. :)
I chose life.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
And Waiters who obviously never progressed much but was the 2nd best player in Cleveland behind Irving.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
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When Kyrie got drafted it was Lebron's team's wrack, not his team, then they made him believe it's going to be his team then Lebron came back again, we all know what kind of player Lebron is: he likes to pass the ball but not the power, plus Cavs front office, it's really a viral enviroment for Kyrie
At least until now i don't see any chemistry problem with him on the team, only good things actually, so why not wait and see before you bash him?
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When Kyrie got drafted it was Lebron's team's wrack, not his team, then they made him believe it's going to be his team then Lebron came back again, we all know what kind of player Lebron is: he likes to pass the ball but not the power, plus Cavs front office, it's really a viral enviroment for Kyrie
At least until now i don't see any chemistry problem with him on the team, only good things actually, so why not wait and see before you bash him?
Yes, it feels like he is evoking him to fail.
And that is the exact opposite of rooting for a team or cheering for a guy.
I explain that as a behaviour of another teams fan.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
Just because a guy quarrels with teammates doesn't mean he's got issues to me. Like Jimmy Butler beefing with teammates in Minny- if it's true that he's trying to get guys to give more effort, is that really a knock?
Kyrie wanted to be the man and Lebron was in the way. Lebron wanted to be the man and Blatt was in the way. Wall wants to be the man and he's clashing with Beal because he's threatened that Beal will get in the way. It's a common thread, as is superstars clashing with teammates, so I'm just not sure what the big deal is. If it weren't Kyrie, you wouldn't be saying anything.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
Kind of ridiculous to say Lebron hasn't had any other issues with teammates in his 15 year career when he literally had issues this past season and teammates said he was stat hunting. Obviously that was after Irving was gone.
He also has a history of real mature stuff like this with teammates https://twitter.com/kingjames/status/564281844271947777?s=21
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
James chooses his team/teammates/Coach/even GM , so yeah why will he be having those issues? just yell at them or get them out of the team you know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7qFvAIRCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUMjQByXsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lPSn03EfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgf6fd88g8
Talking about mutual respect and being a good teammate
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
Yeah, Moranis, we disagree a lot, but given the fact that you are normally reasonable and articulate (even if I disagree with you), you can't really believe this.
He's had problems with Love. He's had problems with Bosh. He's had problems with Chalmers, JR Smith, Shumphert, and Hughes. He and Wade are friends, but there were pretty clear signals about his displeasure with the way Wade sat out games in his last season in Miami.
James is normally pretty passive aggressive, which means he doesn't call out his teammates to the media. But that doesn't mean he isn't a prickly guy to be around. I don't think he is the worst teammate in the league, but he's had his share of teammate problems.
I think Kyrie Irving is a dominate personality that prefers open dialogue, which is something James doesn't really do. I think Irving is charismatic and likeable (young Celtic players seem to love him), but that doesn't mean he always gets along with everyone.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
Yeah, Moranis, we disagree a lot, but given the fact that you are normally reasonable and articulate (even if I disagree with you), you can't really believe this.
He's had problems with Love. He's had problems with Bosh. He's had problems with Chalmers, JR Smith, Shumphert, and Hughes. He and Wade are friends, but there were pretty clear signals about his displeasure with the way Wade sat out games in his last season in Miami.
James is normally pretty passive aggressive, which means he doesn't call out his teammates to the media. But that doesn't mean he isn't a prickly guy to be around. I don't think he is the worst teammate in the league, but he's had his share of teammate problems.
I think Kyrie Irving is a dominate personality that prefers open dialogue, which is something James doesn't really do. I think Irving is charismatic and likeable (young Celtic players seem to love him), but that doesn't mean he always gets along with everyone.
Yea I don't think anyone can say he has never had an issue. That is a bit silly (and I wouldn't make that claim about any of our celtics players that had 15 years in the league either. I am interested to see how Lebron is as a teammate as he was probably the most petulant of his career last season and certainly played a significant role in horrible team chemistry
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KG didn't exactly have a sterling locker room reputation before coming to Boston, yet, he changed the entire culture of the Celtics and became a tremendous influence in the locker room. Sure, it's fair to critique Irving's locker room presence prior to coming to Boston but, the important part of judging him will be now, in Boston, where this far, he has been an excellent role model and developmental influence to the C's youth. If he continues that this year and beyond, it will more than likely make people forget all about his problems in Cleveland, much like KG's time in Minny was put in the past to be forgotten.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Wall has legit issues with Beal. I don’t know of Kyrie having beef with another star on his own team.
Except for Lebron? He clearly “has beef” there.
If you were working at a law firm and a fellow employee tried to cost you your job, or the firm let you go because of the personal vendetta of a partner, you would probably ‘have beef’ too.
So, your argument is that Kyrie doesn’t beef with stars on his own team except when he’s beefing with stars on his own team?
Also, neither of the things in your metaphorical hypothetical are accurate, at least in terms of what allegedly caused the friction.
Yep, Irving didn't want James to even return. He always had an issue with him. So he went from beefing with Waiters to beefing with James.
Funny, when people bring up MJ, or Kobe taking Tatum under his wing, I don’t see you guys chiming in that Kobe mentoring Tatum is a bad thing because he had issues with teammates.
Seems like you just hold it against guys you don’t like.
Perhaps you can show me where you said KG was a bad teammate Roy, since he punched Wally Z in Minny. And Moranis, why don’t you point out where you’ve recently called Lebron a bad teammate, since he beefed with Kyrie?
James has a 15 year history in this league in which Irving is the only player that has ever really had an issue with James (now if you want to call James a "coach killer", that is perfectly reasonable given his history). Irving has a much shorter history and has beefed with players aside from James. When you look at the totality of the situation, Irving is the one that has a teammate problem, not James.
Yeah, Moranis, we disagree a lot, but given the fact that you are normally reasonable and articulate (even if I disagree with you), you can't really believe this.
He's had problems with Love. He's had problems with Bosh. He's had problems with Chalmers, JR Smith, Shumphert, and Hughes. He and Wade are friends, but there were pretty clear signals about his displeasure with the way Wade sat out games in his last season in Miami.
James is normally pretty passive aggressive, which means he doesn't call out his teammates to the media. But that doesn't mean he isn't a prickly guy to be around. I don't think he is the worst teammate in the league, but he's had his share of teammate problems.
I think Kyrie Irving is a dominate personality that prefers open dialogue, which is something James doesn't really do. I think Irving is charismatic and likeable (young Celtic players seem to love him), but that doesn't mean he always gets along with everyone.
I don't consider disagreements here and there to be issues. If that was the case, then every team would have considerable issues all of the time. I mean a couple of weeks ago, Bosh was talking about playing for the Lakers and reuniting with James. Clearly, he and James had all sorts of issues ;). And Wade, man he hated playing with James so much he decided to join him in Cleveland.
Oh and Chalmers, here is what he said last summer.
"It can be tough (playing with LeBron) sometimes just because he’s such a dominant player,” Chalmers said. “He’s the best player in the NBA, so it boils down to the coach. Is the coach going to get everybody else involved, or is he gonna let Bron’ decide when he wants to get everybody else involved? That’s one of the things we were going back-and-forth with (in) Miami. But as a teammate — he’s a great teammate. I’ve never had any problems (with him), even when we had that one argument on the court. At the end of the day, we’re still brothers. We were over that after it already happened, and the media made it more than what it was.
“I can’t say (LeBron) is a bad teammate. He’s a great teammate, a great dude. And when you’re a guy like Kyrie, and you’re young and you’re ‘the man,’ I can see him wanting to be traded to be on his own team, but I don’t think it’s as personal as what everybody is trying to make it seem.”
That sure does sound like a guy that hated playing with Lebron.
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Which Deng thread? I didn't see anything in the buyout thread but I'd be interested to read that.
it was in that one I think but a simple internet search of Deng in Cleveland and they come up. It was about the locker room in general and not specifically Irving, but Irving was the best player on that team and obviously contributed to that situation.
I didn't see anything in that thread about it and googling what you're talking about yielded a bunch of results of Luol Deng saying the article about him allegedly complaining about the Cavs locker room was bunk
“It’s a distraction,” he said. “I mean all this stuff that I hear, but when we’re in the locker room with these guys every day, they love each other. I can’t say one word or one incident, and when we get on the court, we never think twice about it.”
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140419/cleveland-cavaliers-luol-deng-says-kyrie-irving-and-dion-waiters-love-each-other
"I’m disappointed that there’s an article like that. It doesn’t make sense to me saying, ‘close friends.’ Just name whoever told you that if you do have somebody, but I feel like people are always looking for something to write about. I’m new here, so obviously writing an article like that fits right in saying that’s how I feel. I’ve said it many times. I’m excited for the opportunity. I’m happy to be here."
https://www.fearthesword.com/2014/2/2/5370192/nba-rumors-luol-deng-and-others-express-frustration-with-cleveland
"I don't say anything outside of this locker room to my friends, and second of all, none of my friends would ever talk to reporters,"
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/luol_deng_says_he_didnt_say_an.html
In terms of the question of whether Kyrie had issues in the locker room pre-Lebron, here are quotes from your links:
Most problems center around Kyrie and Dion Waiters, and both have attitudes that rub the team the wrong way.
- One teammate said that Irving "acts like he doesn't care"
The Cleveland Cavaliers locker room appears to be kind of a mess. Shortly after trying to figure out if Kyrie does or does not want out of Cleveland, and how he could go about do it...
Kyrie Irving allegedly wants to fire his agent, because his agent wants him to stay in Cleveland and Kyrie wants to go to New York.
Ther were A LOT of chemistry issues in Cleveland, many circling around Kyrie. It was a terrible locker room — Waiters, Bynum and Kyrie all had issues, independently and with each other. Again, outside of last year, contributing positively to the lock room hasn’t been a strength of Kyrie’s. Nothing really separates him from Wall in that specific regard.
Yeah, I obviously don't have a great memory of Cleveland's locker room situation in between Lebron stints. There probably were a lot of chemistry issues but look at the names you're pulling up. Dion Waiters and Andrew Bynum were never exactly finalists for sportsman of the year. And we're still talking about the Cavaliers, a dysfunctional organization.
On top of that, we're talking about Kyrie Irving when he was 21 years old.
Like I said before, I don't hold whatever locker room drama there was in Cleveland against Kyrie, given how the locker room in Cleveland stayed after he left and the way the Celtics locker room was adding Kyrie.
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Wall has been trending down (small sample size) since the thread was made...
I’d change from maybe to no.
What’s wrong with the Wizards...
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Why?
I won't even trade Time Lord for Wall straight up.
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Wall is cancer with a Supermax contract. No way.
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Wall is cancer with a Supermax contract. No way.
Sure appears that way with the fine and public Wizards dysfunction. Most think his contract’s a negative asset!
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Nooooooope.
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This wasn't a good idea then, and it certainly hasn't aged well even though the C's have stunk.
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Wall is cancer with an albatross contract and who is injury prone. I don't want to pay for cancer.
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Yuck
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The poll sits at 74 No, 4 Maybe, and 2 Yes.
That about sums it up.