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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #105 on: November 24, 2022, 06:16:22 PM »

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You might not have noticed given how well the Boston Celtics have been playing, but off-court issues have impacted Jaylen Brown enough that the Georgia native feels it has begun to impact his play. “I’ve just been careless with the ball,” he related after Boston’s win over the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday via CLNS Media. “There’s been a lot going on outside of basketball.”

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“You do the best you can and balance everything,” suggested the Cal alum. “Regardless of what you say, some people are going to disagree or already form an opinion.”

“So, you come out, you do what I’ve been doing, trying to uplift my community, spreading kindness, spreading love, trying to be the best version of myself, but also help any and everybody around me,” he explained.

“That’s what I’ve been since I came into this league, and that’s what I’m going to continue to do — focusing on that and taking care of basketball and everything just falls in line.”

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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #106 on: November 24, 2022, 06:20:54 PM »

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You might not have noticed given how well the Boston Celtics have been playing, but off-court issues have impacted Jaylen Brown enough that the Georgia native feels it has begun to impact his play. “I’ve just been careless with the ball,” he related after Boston’s win over the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday via CLNS Media. “There’s been a lot going on outside of basketball.”

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“You do the best you can and balance everything,” suggested the Cal alum. “Regardless of what you say, some people are going to disagree or already form an opinion.”

“So, you come out, you do what I’ve been doing, trying to uplift my community, spreading kindness, spreading love, trying to be the best version of myself, but also help any and everybody around me,” he explained.

“That’s what I’ve been since I came into this league, and that’s what I’m going to continue to do — focusing on that and taking care of basketball and everything just falls in line.”

https://www.yahoo.com/now/celtics-jaylen-brown-plans-focus-195626705.html
Spreading kindness?

By not making the anti-Semites feel excluded.  Love and kindness toward the racists and all of that. ;)

It's good to know that he acknowledges that his focus on defending Kyrie and prior to that Kanye is affecting his job performance, though. 

But seriously, it would be best for him and the Celtics organization if he allowed somebody else to manage his social media for awhile.  If Lebron and his ego can go "zero dark thirty" at certain points, so can JB.


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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #107 on: November 24, 2022, 10:21:16 PM »

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I find this a bit tiring, because I'm really not sure Jaylen has done a lot wrong here. He's so far said he condemns "hate speech" but wasn't going to leave Dona because he felt like it did good things for the community. then he did leave donda, vowed to support the kids at the academy, and condemned antisemitism. Then he got mad because he thought the kids at donda were being punished (you can argue he should have been madder at Kanye, but whatever). Then he criticized Joe Tsai and Nike for hypocrisy (which is fair). He questioned the NBA's ability to suspend Kyrie for a tweet (also fair). The tweeted what he thought was a black group support of Kyrie, before finding out the groups origins/beliefs and saying he did not support that message a few hours later.

Again, what Jaylen is really guilty of is supporting a group (black men) even when members of that group are in the wrong. Its maybe not the best look, but I at least understand it. I don't know, maybe my love of this current team is giving me the green goggles on this one but I'm not sure I see the call for outrage a lot of people seem to.

Well, to repeat myself a little bit, what Jaylen is 'really guilty of' is repeatedly questioning whether the NBA's punishments for Kyrie's antisemitic behaviour were justified. What you are talking about in the second paragraph is the why Jaylen is doing this - Nick said much the same in his post.

And, just for the record: I'm not outraged - I just think the situation makes him look fairly stupid: it's been own goals and unforced errors.

And to explicitly repeat myself, is there anything here you disagree with?
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Given Jaylen's comments to this point, it's reasonable to infer that Brown thinks the punishment for Kyrie tweeting out antisemitic propaganda without comment is over the top, despite the fact that Irving refuses to take any responsibility or show any real contrition for it.

And as this saga has gone on, he's doubled and tripled down on this stance - that, fundamentally, 'this level' of antisemitic activity shouldn't result in the sort of punishment Kyrie got.

This is what makes him look pretty stupid.

So, again, I put it to you that Jaylen can say that he's not racist and he's not antisemitic all he wants, but his actions seem to belie his words.

As to your "you'll never believe him" bit, I don't think that's reasonable.  Now, I do find "I don't think that everything that is said or being done or being said is something I endorse or represent" to be flittering weasle words.

Look at this flyer:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1594462258901417986

Regardless of how you feel about promoting folks of any colour, there's nothing stopping anyone from saying "yeah this is all bull---, but I appreciate they support Kyrie." Not "I don't think everything that they say is something I endorse." That's just that fence-sitting.

The whole topic is a difficult one. This is an entertainment business, so there is a legitimate interest of the employer to avoid deeply insulting its customers, but it is also a very creepy and dangerous path for any employer to end up policing the outside speech of its workers.

It is a legitimate point of view to be more concerned about the latter.

Our current social information culture undercut these types of sanctions. There is always an inevitable backlash that occurs now, supporting and hardening the behavior. The NBA gets to posture, a large portion of the public concurs, but the underlying antisemitism finds its audience and the sanctions become woven into the narrative of resentment.

It may have been more effective if the NBA and the Nets just condemned the speech but otherwise stayed out of it.

Regarding your last line, can you explain more?  What does "effective" mean, in your mind? 

I agree that punishing employees for outside speech can be slippery, but I think with entertainers it's different.  They have massive platforms, and their speech doesn't only make their franchises look bad, but it causes real harm to the community.  It emboldens other hate speech and actively makes fans of the attacked group feel lesser.  Whether the speech be racist, homophobic or anti-Semitic, there's a social responsibility to punish it. 


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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #108 on: November 25, 2022, 09:51:28 AM »

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I find this a bit tiring, because I'm really not sure Jaylen has done a lot wrong here. He's so far said he condemns "hate speech" but wasn't going to leave Dona because he felt like it did good things for the community. then he did leave donda, vowed to support the kids at the academy, and condemned antisemitism. Then he got mad because he thought the kids at donda were being punished (you can argue he should have been madder at Kanye, but whatever). Then he criticized Joe Tsai and Nike for hypocrisy (which is fair). He questioned the NBA's ability to suspend Kyrie for a tweet (also fair). The tweeted what he thought was a black group support of Kyrie, before finding out the groups origins/beliefs and saying he did not support that message a few hours later.

Again, what Jaylen is really guilty of is supporting a group (black men) even when members of that group are in the wrong. Its maybe not the best look, but I at least understand it. I don't know, maybe my love of this current team is giving me the green goggles on this one but I'm not sure I see the call for outrage a lot of people seem to.

Well, to repeat myself a little bit, what Jaylen is 'really guilty of' is repeatedly questioning whether the NBA's punishments for Kyrie's antisemitic behaviour were justified. What you are talking about in the second paragraph is the why Jaylen is doing this - Nick said much the same in his post.

And, just for the record: I'm not outraged - I just think the situation makes him look fairly stupid: it's been own goals and unforced errors.

And to explicitly repeat myself, is there anything here you disagree with?
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Given Jaylen's comments to this point, it's reasonable to infer that Brown thinks the punishment for Kyrie tweeting out antisemitic propaganda without comment is over the top, despite the fact that Irving refuses to take any responsibility or show any real contrition for it.

And as this saga has gone on, he's doubled and tripled down on this stance - that, fundamentally, 'this level' of antisemitic activity shouldn't result in the sort of punishment Kyrie got.

This is what makes him look pretty stupid.

So, again, I put it to you that Jaylen can say that he's not racist and he's not antisemitic all he wants, but his actions seem to belie his words.

As to your "you'll never believe him" bit, I don't think that's reasonable.  Now, I do find "I don't think that everything that is said or being done or being said is something I endorse or represent" to be flittering weasle words.

Look at this flyer:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1594462258901417986

Regardless of how you feel about promoting folks of any colour, there's nothing stopping anyone from saying "yeah this is all bull---, but I appreciate they support Kyrie." Not "I don't think everything that they say is something I endorse." That's just that fence-sitting.

The whole topic is a difficult one. This is an entertainment business, so there is a legitimate interest of the employer to avoid deeply insulting its customers, but it is also a very creepy and dangerous path for any employer to end up policing the outside speech of its workers.

It is a legitimate point of view to be more concerned about the latter.

Our current social information culture undercut these types of sanctions. There is always an inevitable backlash that occurs now, supporting and hardening the behavior. The NBA gets to posture, a large portion of the public concurs, but the underlying antisemitism finds its audience and the sanctions become woven into the narrative of resentment.

It may have been more effective if the NBA and the Nets just condemned the speech but otherwise stayed out of it.

Regarding your last line, can you explain more?  What does "effective" mean, in your mind? 

I agree that punishing employees for outside speech can be slippery, but I think with entertainers it's different.  They have massive platforms, and their speech doesn't only make their franchises look bad, but it causes real harm to the community.  It emboldens other hate speech and actively makes fans of the attacked group feel lesser.  Whether the speech be racist, homophobic or anti-Semitic, there's a social responsibility to punish it.

I too noted this is an entertainment business, so there are additional concerns that are legitimate.

At the core of this, Kyrie used his platform to signal certain beliefs in a narrative that claims that jewish people are a collection of mostly Israelite pretenders, are capable of huge, multi-generational international conspiracies, and that black people have been deeply harmed by their conspiracies.

Effectiveness here is reducing the overall harm of this message.

Are less people exposed the message?

Has Kyrie convinced people who originally were influenced by the message that he genuinely now thinks he was wrong?

Have the underlying falsehoods been discredited, and have such arguments made their way into the public debate in a way that changes minds in any significant way?

No to all of those. The way it was handled was that the NBA and the Nets signaled its strong opposition but only as a category of "hate". Kyrie didn't get into any of the specifics of the film's foolish accusations, only that he insists he wasn't anti-semitic and meant no harm. All very vague.

So what was the effect of the response? A weirdly amorphous signal that "anti-semitism" is wrong, but with no underlying understanding, and for some, that Kyrie messed with the wrong people and was brought to heel. I'm not sure that things aren't worse as a result.

« Last Edit: November 25, 2022, 10:00:02 AM by td450 »

Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #109 on: November 25, 2022, 11:45:15 AM »

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I haven't had the time to reply properly but I think it's worth noting that td450 is using similar logic to David Stern did when a similar situation arose with Charlie Ward (speaking of unremarkable players). Ward didn't get fined or punished by the league, but Stern's comment on it is, if you'll pardon the pun, leagues above what we've seen from the modern NBA:

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''In yesterday's New York Times Magazine, statements were attributed to Charlie Ward that stereotype Jews and attempt to utilize biblical references to describe persecution of Christians by Jews,'' Stern said in a statement released by the league. ''Unfortunately, Ward's comments, and his subsequent confirmation of them, demonstrate zealotry of all types is intolerant and divisive.

''Despite suggestions that the N.B.A. should penalize Ward for his words, I am not planning to do so. Ward would have been better off not to have uttered his uninformed and ill-founded statements, but I do not wish to enhance his sense of martyrdom by penalizing him for giving them public voice. He will have to accept the reactions and judgments of fans and all fair-minded people who have been offended.''
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/24/sports/pro-basketball-ward-is-contrite-after-stern-s-rebuke.html

Now, having said that, I don't find this to be a cut and dried situation of an employer policing an employee's speech for some of the reasons already listed - and I would further challenge the idea that there are employers that exist that support entirely unfettered free speech for their employees.
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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #110 on: November 25, 2022, 12:14:51 PM »

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I find this a bit tiring, because I'm really not sure Jaylen has done a lot wrong here. He's so far said he condemns "hate speech" but wasn't going to leave Dona because he felt like it did good things for the community. then he did leave donda, vowed to support the kids at the academy, and condemned antisemitism. Then he got mad because he thought the kids at donda were being punished (you can argue he should have been madder at Kanye, but whatever). Then he criticized Joe Tsai and Nike for hypocrisy (which is fair). He questioned the NBA's ability to suspend Kyrie for a tweet (also fair). The tweeted what he thought was a black group support of Kyrie, before finding out the groups origins/beliefs and saying he did not support that message a few hours later.

Again, what Jaylen is really guilty of is supporting a group (black men) even when members of that group are in the wrong. Its maybe not the best look, but I at least understand it. I don't know, maybe my love of this current team is giving me the green goggles on this one but I'm not sure I see the call for outrage a lot of people seem to.

Well, to repeat myself a little bit, what Jaylen is 'really guilty of' is repeatedly questioning whether the NBA's punishments for Kyrie's antisemitic behaviour were justified. What you are talking about in the second paragraph is the why Jaylen is doing this - Nick said much the same in his post.

And, just for the record: I'm not outraged - I just think the situation makes him look fairly stupid: it's been own goals and unforced errors.

And to explicitly repeat myself, is there anything here you disagree with?

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Given Jaylen's comments to this point, it's reasonable to infer that Brown thinks the punishment for Kyrie tweeting out antisemitic propaganda without comment is over the top, despite the fact that Irving refuses to take any responsibility or show any real contrition for it.

And as this saga has gone on, he's doubled and tripled down on this stance - that, fundamentally, 'this level' of antisemitic activity shouldn't result in the sort of punishment Kyrie got.

This is what makes him look pretty stupid.

So, again, I put it to you that Jaylen can say that he's not racist and he's not antisemitic all he wants, but his actions seem to belie his words.

As to your "you'll never believe him" bit, I don't think that's reasonable.  Now, I do find "I don't think that everything that is said or being done or being said is something I endorse or represent" to be flittering weasle words.

Look at this flyer:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1594462258901417986

Regardless of how you feel about promoting folks of any colour, there's nothing stopping anyone from saying "yeah this is all bull---, but I appreciate they support Kyrie." Not "I don't think everything that they say is something I endorse." That's just that fence-sitting.

No, I think that paragraph is reasonable enough. Its really your last sentence I have a problem with.  I'm just not sure its 100% inherently wrong to question the suspension. I think you can have a reasonable argument about whether tweeting something without comment warrants a suspension at all. Then from a collective bargaining perspective I think you can question the weird use of stipulations like "speak to Jewish leaders" or "talk with Joe Tsai." It starts to feel a bit paternalistic, and I can understand why that may come across as a bit much to some NBA players. A flat "he's out 8-10 games" might have been less... weird. Then there's the question of even if a suspension is deserved, and fine legal wise, is it the best course of action? After all he was suspended, and I think most people agree he hasn't really learned anything from the experience. Yet he's back. So all that was really accomplished was some PR for the league and the Nets which was probably the actual point in the first place (which was partly Jaylen's point I think).

I don't know, I can see enough question around the suspension itself that I think you can question its fairness and motivation without supporting anti-Semitism.  I think he's more supporting a fellow black man than he is anti-Semitism, because to Jaylen Kyrie is more than his latest tweet. Now of course that can still be wrong, to some degree you can't always separate a person from their actions. But of course I can't read Jaylen's' mind so its hard to tell what his internal motivation is. Maybe it is more nefarious than i think, I just don't think it has to be. I can certainly understand why people would think otherwise however.

In any event he's definitely screwed up the PR on this, as Roy H has said somebody else needs to take over his social media. That also will never happen but he'd have been better off if he'd done what literally every other player did and just never comment on the situation.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2022, 12:27:22 PM by keevsnick »

Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #111 on: November 25, 2022, 12:37:52 PM »

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Jaylen supported a friend that posted/promoted an anti-semetic  book/ movie. That doesn't make him anti-semetic.

Personal history, I was out with my best friend one night at a bar years ago and he got into with this black kid who was giving him crap for no apparent reason and the "n" weird came out of his mouth. The black kids friends got all enraged calling my buddy a racist so-and-so and things almost went very badly south.

I stuck up my buddy, told the kids he wasn't racist just his anger got the best of him and I bought them a round to chill things out. My friend is in no way racist, I know that deep in my heart. He's married to a beautifully brown Brazilian lady. But he made a mistake and I had his back because he is my friend, heck, my brother.

Are any of you who are labeling Brown for supporting Kyrie the person, which is what he is doing, saying you wouldn't support a good friend after him making such a dumb gaff? If so, I'm glad I'm not your friend.

Did your buddy also refuse to apologize and publicly declare that he did nothing wrong?  Did you stand by him then?

Did a second one of your buddies, who you went into business with, do the exact same thing and you stuck by him, too?

And then did you celebrate the "energy" when a bunch of racists cheered your buddy on?  And then talk in gibberish about how it's better to come together to celebrate your buddy, rather than engaging in violence perpetrated through the media and music / movie industries.  (What an odd coincidence that he cited the same industries that Kanye ranted about Jews controlling.)

Maybe it's all a big coincidence. Or, maybe it's what it looks like.
Or maybe you're you're just reading way too much into tweets, refusing to acknowledge the times Brown admitted Kyrie messed up, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen has said many times he isn't racist, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen parted ways with Donda and that he said he was mistaken about who those people were in the energy post.

Perhaps Jaylen should start every tweet with an apology and statement denouncing racism so that some people don't get hyper sensitive over what he says and starts insulting his intelligence and making wrongful accusations because they think they know Jaylen and his relationships with others.

Or maybe we should all be so quick to label posters here,  like people are JB, when they post clearly racist dog whistles, even though we don't really know them. Should really help the community.

You guys want to think supporting a friend and making a mistake makes Jaylen racist, have at. I'm getting sick of all this.

Maybe he should stop supporting and hanging out with racists.  Seems simple.

   We’ll then people should stop handing out with people that support the church who raped  kids  and others protected them. People still not only go but give the organization money. It’s disgusting. They preached hate for years and still condemn the acts of gay people. They’re no better. Plenty of people still “hang out “ with people that support the church yet nobody calls the church a hate group. It’s hypocritical. I imagine this post won’t be acceptable though . I don’t agree with Jaylen and the message but it’s laughable the rocks being thrown from hypocrites.

Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #112 on: November 25, 2022, 12:51:21 PM »

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I haven't had the time to reply properly but I think it's worth noting that td450 is using similar logic to David Stern did when a similar situation arose with Charlie Ward (speaking of unremarkable players). Ward didn't get fined or punished by the league, but Stern's comment on it is, if you'll pardon the pun, leagues above what we've seen from the modern NBA:

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''In yesterday's New York Times Magazine, statements were attributed to Charlie Ward that stereotype Jews and attempt to utilize biblical references to describe persecution of Christians by Jews,'' Stern said in a statement released by the league. ''Unfortunately, Ward's comments, and his subsequent confirmation of them, demonstrate zealotry of all types is intolerant and divisive.

''Despite suggestions that the N.B.A. should penalize Ward for his words, I am not planning to do so. Ward would have been better off not to have uttered his uninformed and ill-founded statements, but I do not wish to enhance his sense of martyrdom by penalizing him for giving them public voice. He will have to accept the reactions and judgments of fans and all fair-minded people who have been offended.''
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/24/sports/pro-basketball-ward-is-contrite-after-stern-s-rebuke.html

Now, having said that, I don't find this to be a cut and dried situation of an employer policing an employee's speech for some of the reasons already listed - and I would further challenge the idea that there are employers that exist that support entirely unfettered free speech for their employees.

OK, but my point was not to support entirely unfettered free speech for employees by organizations. It was to apply some set of goals above and beyond mere posing to any input by the Organization. Are they just providing PR cover, or do they actually want to be effective in the ways I described above, and develop a model for dealing with this stuff with the players and staff around the league.

What the league has done is legal and P/R driven and is bloodless. It has not exposed any underlying ethical stance, it has not made any positive impact on the relationship to Kyrie or the players and staff in general, and it has not diffused any anti-semitism.




Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #113 on: November 25, 2022, 12:51:57 PM »

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Jaylen supported a friend that posted/promoted an anti-semetic  book/ movie. That doesn't make him anti-semetic.

Personal history, I was out with my best friend one night at a bar years ago and he got into with this black kid who was giving him crap for no apparent reason and the "n" weird came out of his mouth. The black kids friends got all enraged calling my buddy a racist so-and-so and things almost went very badly south.

I stuck up my buddy, told the kids he wasn't racist just his anger got the best of him and I bought them a round to chill things out. My friend is in no way racist, I know that deep in my heart. He's married to a beautifully brown Brazilian lady. But he made a mistake and I had his back because he is my friend, heck, my brother.

Are any of you who are labeling Brown for supporting Kyrie the person, which is what he is doing, saying you wouldn't support a good friend after him making such a dumb gaff? If so, I'm glad I'm not your friend.

Did your buddy also refuse to apologize and publicly declare that he did nothing wrong?  Did you stand by him then?

Did a second one of your buddies, who you went into business with, do the exact same thing and you stuck by him, too?

And then did you celebrate the "energy" when a bunch of racists cheered your buddy on?  And then talk in gibberish about how it's better to come together to celebrate your buddy, rather than engaging in violence perpetrated through the media and music / movie industries.  (What an odd coincidence that he cited the same industries that Kanye ranted about Jews controlling.)

Maybe it's all a big coincidence. Or, maybe it's what it looks like.
Or maybe you're you're just reading way too much into tweets, refusing to acknowledge the times Brown admitted Kyrie messed up, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen has said many times he isn't racist, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen parted ways with Donda and that he said he was mistaken about who those people were in the energy post.

Perhaps Jaylen should start every tweet with an apology and statement denouncing racism so that some people don't get hyper sensitive over what he says and starts insulting his intelligence and making wrongful accusations because they think they know Jaylen and his relationships with others.

Or maybe we should all be so quick to label posters here,  like people are JB, when they post clearly racist dog whistles, even though we don't really know them. Should really help the community.

You guys want to think supporting a friend and making a mistake makes Jaylen racist, have at. I'm getting sick of all this.

Maybe he should stop supporting and hanging out with racists.  Seems simple.

   We’ll then people should stop handing out with people that support the church who raped  kids  and others protected them. People still not only go but give the organization money. It’s disgusting. They preached hate for years and still condemn the acts of gay people. They’re no better. Plenty of people still “hang out “ with people that support the church yet nobody calls the church a hate group. It’s hypocritical. I imagine this post won’t be acceptable though . I don’t agree with Jaylen and the message but it’s laughable the rocks being thrown from hypocrites.

How is this a defense of Kyrie, Kanye or Jaylen?  Is it "Catholics have done terrible things, so until society condemns Catholicism, I'm going to support anti-Semitism?"


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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #114 on: November 25, 2022, 12:56:11 PM »

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Jaylen supported a friend that posted/promoted an anti-semetic  book/ movie. That doesn't make him anti-semetic.

Personal history, I was out with my best friend one night at a bar years ago and he got into with this black kid who was giving him crap for no apparent reason and the "n" weird came out of his mouth. The black kids friends got all enraged calling my buddy a racist so-and-so and things almost went very badly south.

I stuck up my buddy, told the kids he wasn't racist just his anger got the best of him and I bought them a round to chill things out. My friend is in no way racist, I know that deep in my heart. He's married to a beautifully brown Brazilian lady. But he made a mistake and I had his back because he is my friend, heck, my brother.

Are any of you who are labeling Brown for supporting Kyrie the person, which is what he is doing, saying you wouldn't support a good friend after him making such a dumb gaff? If so, I'm glad I'm not your friend.

Did your buddy also refuse to apologize and publicly declare that he did nothing wrong?  Did you stand by him then?

Did a second one of your buddies, who you went into business with, do the exact same thing and you stuck by him, too?

And then did you celebrate the "energy" when a bunch of racists cheered your buddy on?  And then talk in gibberish about how it's better to come together to celebrate your buddy, rather than engaging in violence perpetrated through the media and music / movie industries.  (What an odd coincidence that he cited the same industries that Kanye ranted about Jews controlling.)

Maybe it's all a big coincidence. Or, maybe it's what it looks like.
Or maybe you're you're just reading way too much into tweets, refusing to acknowledge the times Brown admitted Kyrie messed up, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen has said many times he isn't racist, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen parted ways with Donda and that he said he was mistaken about who those people were in the energy post.

Perhaps Jaylen should start every tweet with an apology and statement denouncing racism so that some people don't get hyper sensitive over what he says and starts insulting his intelligence and making wrongful accusations because they think they know Jaylen and his relationships with others.

Or maybe we should all be so quick to label posters here,  like people are JB, when they post clearly racist dog whistles, even though we don't really know them. Should really help the community.

You guys want to think supporting a friend and making a mistake makes Jaylen racist, have at. I'm getting sick of all this.

Maybe he should stop supporting and hanging out with racists.  Seems simple.

   We’ll then people should stop handing out with people that support the church who raped  kids  and others protected them. People still not only go but give the organization money. It’s disgusting. They preached hate for years and still condemn the acts of gay people. They’re no better. Plenty of people still “hang out “ with people that support the church yet nobody calls the church a hate group. It’s hypocritical. I imagine this post won’t be acceptable though . I don’t agree with Jaylen and the message but it’s laughable the rocks being thrown from hypocrites.

How is this a defense of Kyrie, Kanye or Jaylen?  Is it "Catholics have done terrible things, so until society condemns Catholicism, I'm going to support anti-Semitism?"

Lol this is pretty funny roy.

Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #115 on: November 25, 2022, 03:23:52 PM »

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Jaylen supported a friend that posted/promoted an anti-semetic  book/ movie. That doesn't make him anti-semetic.

Personal history, I was out with my best friend one night at a bar years ago and he got into with this black kid who was giving him crap for no apparent reason and the "n" weird came out of his mouth. The black kids friends got all enraged calling my buddy a racist so-and-so and things almost went very badly south.

I stuck up my buddy, told the kids he wasn't racist just his anger got the best of him and I bought them a round to chill things out. My friend is in no way racist, I know that deep in my heart. He's married to a beautifully brown Brazilian lady. But he made a mistake and I had his back because he is my friend, heck, my brother.

Are any of you who are labeling Brown for supporting Kyrie the person, which is what he is doing, saying you wouldn't support a good friend after him making such a dumb gaff? If so, I'm glad I'm not your friend.

Did your buddy also refuse to apologize and publicly declare that he did nothing wrong?  Did you stand by him then?

Did a second one of your buddies, who you went into business with, do the exact same thing and you stuck by him, too?

And then did you celebrate the "energy" when a bunch of racists cheered your buddy on?  And then talk in gibberish about how it's better to come together to celebrate your buddy, rather than engaging in violence perpetrated through the media and music / movie industries.  (What an odd coincidence that he cited the same industries that Kanye ranted about Jews controlling.)

Maybe it's all a big coincidence. Or, maybe it's what it looks like.
Or maybe you're you're just reading way too much into tweets, refusing to acknowledge the times Brown admitted Kyrie messed up, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen has said many times he isn't racist, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen parted ways with Donda and that he said he was mistaken about who those people were in the energy post.

Perhaps Jaylen should start every tweet with an apology and statement denouncing racism so that some people don't get hyper sensitive over what he says and starts insulting his intelligence and making wrongful accusations because they think they know Jaylen and his relationships with others.

Or maybe we should all be so quick to label posters here,  like people are JB, when they post clearly racist dog whistles, even though we don't really know them. Should really help the community.

You guys want to think supporting a friend and making a mistake makes Jaylen racist, have at. I'm getting sick of all this.

Maybe he should stop supporting and hanging out with racists.  Seems simple.

   We’ll then people should stop handing out with people that support the church who raped  kids  and others protected them. People still not only go but give the organization money. It’s disgusting. They preached hate for years and still condemn the acts of gay people. They’re no better. Plenty of people still “hang out “ with people that support the church yet nobody calls the church a hate group. It’s hypocritical. I imagine this post won’t be acceptable though . I don’t agree with Jaylen and the message but it’s laughable the rocks being thrown from hypocrites.

How is this a defense of Kyrie, Kanye or Jaylen?  Is it "Catholics have done terrible things, so until society condemns Catholicism, I'm going to support anti-Semitism?"
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     Nice try. You decided to ignore how I said I don’t agree with it. I’m making a statement that people are getting upset about hate groups and the support of them. They have a right to. But The church is a hate group. I’m guessing people either go to church or at least “hang out “with people who do . So criticizing Jaylen and others is hypocritical .

Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #116 on: November 25, 2022, 03:42:56 PM »

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Jaylen supported a friend that posted/promoted an anti-semetic  book/ movie. That doesn't make him anti-semetic.

Personal history, I was out with my best friend one night at a bar years ago and he got into with this black kid who was giving him crap for no apparent reason and the "n" weird came out of his mouth. The black kids friends got all enraged calling my buddy a racist so-and-so and things almost went very badly south.

I stuck up my buddy, told the kids he wasn't racist just his anger got the best of him and I bought them a round to chill things out. My friend is in no way racist, I know that deep in my heart. He's married to a beautifully brown Brazilian lady. But he made a mistake and I had his back because he is my friend, heck, my brother.

Are any of you who are labeling Brown for supporting Kyrie the person, which is what he is doing, saying you wouldn't support a good friend after him making such a dumb gaff? If so, I'm glad I'm not your friend.

Did your buddy also refuse to apologize and publicly declare that he did nothing wrong?  Did you stand by him then?

Did a second one of your buddies, who you went into business with, do the exact same thing and you stuck by him, too?

And then did you celebrate the "energy" when a bunch of racists cheered your buddy on?  And then talk in gibberish about how it's better to come together to celebrate your buddy, rather than engaging in violence perpetrated through the media and music / movie industries.  (What an odd coincidence that he cited the same industries that Kanye ranted about Jews controlling.)

Maybe it's all a big coincidence. Or, maybe it's what it looks like.
Or maybe you're you're just reading way too much into tweets, refusing to acknowledge the times Brown admitted Kyrie messed up, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen has said many times he isn't racist, refusing to acknowledge Jaylen parted ways with Donda and that he said he was mistaken about who those people were in the energy post.

Perhaps Jaylen should start every tweet with an apology and statement denouncing racism so that some people don't get hyper sensitive over what he says and starts insulting his intelligence and making wrongful accusations because they think they know Jaylen and his relationships with others.

Or maybe we should all be so quick to label posters here,  like people are JB, when they post clearly racist dog whistles, even though we don't really know them. Should really help the community.

You guys want to think supporting a friend and making a mistake makes Jaylen racist, have at. I'm getting sick of all this.

Maybe he should stop supporting and hanging out with racists.  Seems simple.

   We’ll then people should stop handing out with people that support the church who raped  kids  and others protected them. People still not only go but give the organization money. It’s disgusting. They preached hate for years and still condemn the acts of gay people. They’re no better. Plenty of people still “hang out “ with people that support the church yet nobody calls the church a hate group. It’s hypocritical. I imagine this post won’t be acceptable though . I don’t agree with Jaylen and the message but it’s laughable the rocks being thrown from hypocrites.

How is this a defense of Kyrie, Kanye or Jaylen?  Is it "Catholics have done terrible things, so until society condemns Catholicism, I'm going to support anti-Semitism?"
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     Nice try. You decided to ignore how I said I don’t agree with it. I’m making a statement that people are getting upset about hate groups and the support of them. They have a right to. But The church is a hate group. I’m guessing people either go to church or at least “hang out “with people who do . So criticizing Jaylen and others is hypocritical .
I am more than happy to criticise both.

Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #117 on: November 25, 2022, 06:47:44 PM »

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https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-president-brad-stevens-speaks-194912338.html

I don't subscribe to the Globe, so I can't read Shaughnessy's criticism of JB, but it sounds like he's right on here.  Meanwhile, Stevens defends JB, which is his role (while noting that the team talks to the players about how to use social media).


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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #118 on: November 25, 2022, 08:27:03 PM »

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Re: Jaylen and his Anti-Semitic Friends (split)
« Reply #119 on: November 25, 2022, 08:34:27 PM »

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I just saw this -
https://nypost.com/2022/11/25/black-hebrew-israelites-descend-on-barclays-we-are-the-real-jews/

Yeah.  There are roughly 450 players in the NBA, and Brown is the only one who complimented that group.  And, he left the tweet up, without saying anything negative about the BHIs.

That's a lesson in how not to handle social media.  Brogdon and Grant Williams are both VPs in the player's association.  They managed not to step in it.

Hopefully, this is behind Jaylen.  The team doesn't need the distraction, nor does Brown as he seeks a spot on the All-NBA team.


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