Celtics (6-3) at Grizzlies (7-3) Game #10 11/7/22

[SHAQATTACK]

What on earth happened? I decided to head to bed with like a minute left and a 7 point lead, with Marcus going to the line. And it looks like MEM had a chance to tie it at the end? That is crazy.

Glad they pulled out the W, but this is a little disturbing.

Last 120 seconds , Celtics went brain dead on the court ,  couldn’t make even one of two shot free throw attempts.  Grizzly hit all three points after Celtics misfired .  GrantW made his two FT and then Grizzly player slipped at half court , fell down …..buzzer sounded.  It was that close to grasping defeat from clutches of victory for Boston.  Should have won by 10 or more IMO .

[Ed Monix]

Ja tried getting into Tatum's head…

[SHAQATTACK]

This is the kind of finish that causes coaches to age past their years

[Vermont Green]

Interesting analysis of some of the line ups.  The Celtics won by 3 points.  Here is how the various combinations of Horford and Grant did:

Horford + Grant         -8 / 25 min
Horford, No Grant      +1 / 7 min
Grant, No Horford    +14 / 13 min
No Grant or Horford   -4 / 3 min

Grant took zero shots, made 2 FTs, got 5 rebs but somehow ended up producing a really good +/- results for the team.  On the season, Grant + Horford is +6 in 74 min.  Maybe just one bad game or a statistical anomaly?

[gouki88]

Interesting analysis of some of the line ups.  The Celtics won by 3 points.  Here is how the various combinations of Horford and Grant did:

Horford + Grant         -8 / 25 min
Horford, No Grant      +1 / 7 min
Grant, No Horford    +14 / 13 min
No Grant or Horford   -4 / 3 min

Grant took zero shots, made 2 FTs, got 5 rebs but somehow ended up producing a really good +/- results for the team.  On the season, Grant + Horford is +6 in 74 min.  Maybe just one bad game or a statistical anomaly?

I think this game was poor with that combo because it was Grant + Horford against the opposition starting unit (thankfully without Adams). Typically, Grant and Al would be playing against other lineups partially made up of bench players.

Not sure what it is, but Grant seems to freeze up when he's in the starting lineup

[Goldstar88]

Interesting analysis of some of the line ups.  The Celtics won by 3 points.  Here is how the various combinations of Horford and Grant did:

Horford + Grant         -8 / 25 min
Horford, No Grant      +1 / 7 min
Grant, No Horford    +14 / 13 min
No Grant or Horford   -4 / 3 min

Grant took zero shots, made 2 FTs, got 5 rebs but somehow ended up producing a really good +/- results for the team.  On the season, Grant + Horford is +6 in 74 min.  Maybe just one bad game or a statistical anomaly?

I think this game was poor with that combo because it was Grant + Horford against the opposition starting unit (thankfully without Adams). Typically, Grant and Al would be playing against other lineups partially made up of bench players.

Not sure what it is, but Grant seems to freeze up when he's in the starting lineup

Grants biggest strength (by a wide margin) is his 3pt shooting ability. It’s the only thing he does at a high level. So if he’s a 5th option out there with the starters, that’s not really a great benefit to the team. Rob and Al with their rebounding, rim protection, and passing abilities make them better complimentary players. Grant is more effective off the bench where he is able to get more looks on offense.

[gouki88]

Interesting analysis of some of the line ups.  The Celtics won by 3 points.  Here is how the various combinations of Horford and Grant did:

Horford + Grant         -8 / 25 min
Horford, No Grant      +1 / 7 min
Grant, No Horford    +14 / 13 min
No Grant or Horford   -4 / 3 min

Grant took zero shots, made 2 FTs, got 5 rebs but somehow ended up producing a really good +/- results for the team.  On the season, Grant + Horford is +6 in 74 min.  Maybe just one bad game or a statistical anomaly?

I think this game was poor with that combo because it was Grant + Horford against the opposition starting unit (thankfully without Adams). Typically, Grant and Al would be playing against other lineups partially made up of bench players.

Not sure what it is, but Grant seems to freeze up when he's in the starting lineup

Grants biggest strength (by a wide margin) is his 3pt shooting ability. It’s the only thing he does at a high level. So if he’s a 5th option out there with the starters, that’s not really a great benefit to the team. Rob and Al with their rebounding, rim protection, and passing abilities make them better complimentary players. Grant is more effective off the bench where he is able to get more looks on offense.

Especially off the driving and kicking of Brogdon

[Vermont Green]

Interesting analysis of some of the line ups.  The Celtics won by 3 points.  Here is how the various combinations of Horford and Grant did:

Horford + Grant         -8 / 25 min
Horford, No Grant      +1 / 7 min
Grant, No Horford    +14 / 13 min
No Grant or Horford   -4 / 3 min

Grant took zero shots, made 2 FTs, got 5 rebs but somehow ended up producing a really good +/- results for the team.  On the season, Grant + Horford is +6 in 74 min.  Maybe just one bad game or a statistical anomaly?

I think this game was poor with that combo because it was Grant + Horford against the opposition starting unit (thankfully without Adams). Typically, Grant and Al would be playing against other lineups partially made up of bench players.

Not sure what it is, but Grant seems to freeze up when he's in the starting lineup

Grants biggest strength (by a wide margin) is his 3pt shooting ability. It’s the only thing he does at a high level. So if he’s a 5th option out there with the starters, that’s not really a great benefit to the team. Rob and Al with their rebounding, rim protection, and passing abilities make them better complimentary players. Grant is more effective off the bench where he is able to get more looks on offense.

Especially off the driving and kicking of Brogdon

There is some correlation between Grant and Brogdon.  This game, they were +8 together but that is a season long trend:

Grant with Brogdon    +55/157 min
Grant no Brogdon      -19/83 min
Brogdon no Grant      -25/81 min

The team seems to benefit when both are on the floor together, and by a fairly clear differential.  At least through 10 games, a small but not insignificant sample size. 

This lines up with the eye test and makes it clear that Brogdon and Grant should be used off the bench and mostly together.  It is also interesting that Brogdon and Grant with starters is a good line up (with Smart, Brown, Tatum, +10 in 11 min), albeit very limited minutes.  Swap in Horford for Grant with that line up and it is -28 in 29 min.  Still not a lot of minutes but supports the correlation that Brogdon and Grant are complementary.

If you look at it individually, it is also a bit strange.  These are all the players with more than 200 minutes.

Grant Williams        +36
Malcolm Brogdon    +30
Jayson Tatum         +29
Derrick White         +25
Al Horford               -16
Jaylen Brown          -18
Marcus Smart         -34