Patriots 2022 Season

[Goldstar88]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

[nickagneta]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

[Goldstar88]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

[Donoghus]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

[Goldstar88]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could potentially be used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



Jim Nagy

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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

According to Edelman himself, who sat down for an on-air radio interview with HOT 97 in New York, the Patriots didn’t express the same level of interest in him prior to the 2009 NFL Draft that many other teams did. While they did work him out three times – as a running back, as a wide receiver, and as a special teams role player

[Donoghus]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could be potentially used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



Jim Nagy

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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

I mean, it's clear he wasn't drafted to be a QB and was listed in their draftbook as a WR which would seem to indicate that was the position where they were envisioning him ending up.

[Goldstar88]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could be potentially used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



Jim Nagy

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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

I mean, it's clear he wasn't drafted to be a QB and was listed in their draftbook as a WR which would seem to indicate that was the position where they were envisioning him ending up.

I don’t doubt that he was considered for a variety of positions and it just happened to work out that he developed into a WR once in NE. According to Edelman the Pats worked him out at a RB, WR, Special teams. I’m not buying that they looked at a 7th round player that had only ever played QB and thought, “That’s a sure bet WR right there.”

According to Edelman himself, who sat down for an on-air radio interview with HOT 97 in New York, the Patriots didn’t express the same level of interest in him prior to the 2009 NFL Draft that many other teams did. While they did work him out three times – as a running back, as a wide receiver, and as a special teams role player

[nickagneta]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could be potentially used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



Jim Nagy

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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

I mean, it's clear he wasn't drafted to be a QB and was listed in their draftbook as a WR which would seem to indicate that was the position where they were envisioning him ending up.

I don’t doubt that he was considered for a variety of positions and it just happened to work out that he developed into a WR once in NE. According to Edelman the Pats worked him out at a RB, WR, Special teams. I’m not buying that they looked at a 7th round player that had only ever played QB and thought, “That’s a sure bet WR right there.”

According to Edelman himself, who sat down for an on-air radio interview with HOT 97 in New York, the Patriots didn’t express the same level of interest in him prior to the 2009 NFL Draft that many other teams did. While they did work him out three times – as a running back, as a wide receiver, and as a special teams role player

You are seriously moving goalposts here from your original argument and are trying to take Edelman's insecurity over the position he thought he might be playing over what Patriots management had him actually listed in their draft book on draft day.

As I said earlier, it was his kick returning that drew the Pats interest. Their interest was never as a QB. They knew they had a football player with great movement and spacial awareness and a great set of hands. So they drafted him and LISTED HIM IN THEIR DRAFT BOOK as a WR positionally with the idea he probably starts off returning kicks.

You were wrong initially and just can't admit it so just keep obfuscating and moving goalposts. Just admit you were wrong and take the L. No one is going to think any less of you.

[Goldstar88]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could be potentially used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



Jim Nagy

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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

I mean, it's clear he wasn't drafted to be a QB and was listed in their draftbook as a WR which would seem to indicate that was the position where they were envisioning him ending up.

I don’t doubt that he was considered for a variety of positions and it just happened to work out that he developed into a WR once in NE. According to Edelman the Pats worked him out at a RB, WR, Special teams. I’m not buying that they looked at a 7th round player that had only ever played QB and thought, “That’s a sure bet WR right there.”

According to Edelman himself, who sat down for an on-air radio interview with HOT 97 in New York, the Patriots didn’t express the same level of interest in him prior to the 2009 NFL Draft that many other teams did. While they did work him out three times – as a running back, as a wide receiver, and as a special teams role player

You are seriously moving goalposts here from your original argument and are trying to take Edelman's insecurity over the position he thought he might be playing over what Patriots management had him actually listed in their draft book on draft day.

As I said earlier, it was his kick returning that drew the Pats interest. Their interest was never as a QB. They knew they had a football player with great movement and spacial awareness and a great set of hands. So they drafted him and LISTED HIM IN THEIR DRAFT BOOK as a WR positionally with the idea he probably starts off returning kicks.

You were wrong initially and just can't admit it so just keep obfuscating and moving goalposts. Just admit you were wrong and take the L. No one is going to think any less of you.

The goalpost is not moving, Nick. His position was a QB. The Pats drafted him thinking he could potentially fit in on offense, defense, or special teams. The pre-draft workouts support this. He ended up developing into a good WR after several years with the team. Trying to paint it like the Pats knew ahead of time exactly how they were going to use him is disingenuous.

[nickagneta]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could be potentially used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



Jim Nagy

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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

I mean, it's clear he wasn't drafted to be a QB and was listed in their draftbook as a WR which would seem to indicate that was the position where they were envisioning him ending up.

I don’t doubt that he was considered for a variety of positions and it just happened to work out that he developed into a WR once in NE. According to Edelman the Pats worked him out at a RB, WR, Special teams. I’m not buying that they looked at a 7th round player that had only ever played QB and thought, “That’s a sure bet WR right there.”

According to Edelman himself, who sat down for an on-air radio interview with HOT 97 in New York, the Patriots didn’t express the same level of interest in him prior to the 2009 NFL Draft that many other teams did. While they did work him out three times – as a running back, as a wide receiver, and as a special teams role player

You are seriously moving goalposts here from your original argument and are trying to take Edelman's insecurity over the position he thought he might be playing over what Patriots management had him actually listed in their draft book on draft day.

As I said earlier, it was his kick returning that drew the Pats interest. Their interest was never as a QB. They knew they had a football player with great movement and spacial awareness and a great set of hands. So they drafted him and LISTED HIM IN THEIR DRAFT BOOK as a WR positionally with the idea he probably starts off returning kicks.

You were wrong initially and just can't admit it so just keep obfuscating and moving goalposts. Just admit you were wrong and take the L. No one is going to think any less of you.

The goalpost is not moving, Nick. His position was a QB. The Pats drafted him thinking he could potentially fit in on offense, defense, or special teams. The pre-draft workouts support this. He ended up developing into a good WR after several years with the team. Trying to paint it like the Pats knew ahead of time exactly how they were going to use him is disingenuous.

You're exact words:

He was a 7th round QB selection.

You were wrong.

Then when you were proven wrong,  you claimed that just because you didn't see reports that the Pats' were going to use him as a WR that that meant he would be thought of by the organization for possible many different position.

But that was proven wrong because the Pats' listed him in their draft book as a WR.

That's being wrong twice and changing your story to try to obfuscate your original claim It's moving goalposts.

If you're ego can't take the L, whatever. You were wrong. I am done with this convo.

[Goldstar88]

Why is it that almost all these teams draft WRs that are great and in some cases elite talents, and then there's us with the likes of Thompkins, Boyce, Dobson, N'Keal Harry, etc. etc. over the years

Look at most of the star players today. Justin Jefferson, CeeDee Lamb, Christian Watson, Waddle, St. Brown, etc. etc.

Idk, but if you can’t draft top WR’s, should probably trade for one like teams have done with Diggs, Hopkins, Brown, Hill, Adams, M-Brown, and so on and so forth. Instead Pat’s are paying Jonnu Smith and Agholor nearly $30M/year for almost no production. When Is the last time NE drafted a WR that made the pro-bowl, Deion Branch?

Miami completely transformed their offense by drafting Waddle and trading for Hill. They are now a top team in the league.

Edleman is probably last good WR drafted yet he was a converted QB and just missed a few probowls.

He wasn’t drafted as a WR, though. Was a 7th round QB selection. Edelman never played WR in high school or college, so it was really a shot in the dark that worked out. He also never made a pro-bowl.

He was drafted with the intent to convert him to a wide receiver, so though listed as a QB, he was drafted as a WR/kick returner. It was the kick returning skills that attracted Edelman to the Pats' and led them to believe his role going forward was as a WR, not a QB. So your assertion he was drafted as a QB is wrong and kinda disingenuous.

To add to this, the Patriots have attempted to make several other QBs and convert them to WR because of their athleticism and inability to be able to play the QB position in the NFL.

It isn’t disingenuous at all. He was QB at every level, he was never a WR. I don’t ever recall seeing reports that the Patriots drafted him to be a receiver.  College QB’s are almost never converted into other positions, it’s incredibly rare.

Except he actually was.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4822746/the-inside-story-of-how-julian-edelman-landed-on-the-patriots-draft-board

That article is from 2021, not a report around the time that he was in actually drafted. I’m also not seeing anywhere that it states that he was definitely going to be used as a WR. Sounds like they thought he could be potentially used in a variety of ways, since he was quick and a strong competitor. Defense or Offense. Probably special teams as well.



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Kent State staff comments on Julian Edelman from Fall ‘08. Sounds about right.

* upper echelon worker
* knows his physical limitations
* likes to BS
* wants ball in his hands
* football instincts will help him at WR
* has feet to play DB
* most competitive guy I’ve ever coached

I mean, it's clear he wasn't drafted to be a QB and was listed in their draftbook as a WR which would seem to indicate that was the position where they were envisioning him ending up.

I don’t doubt that he was considered for a variety of positions and it just happened to work out that he developed into a WR once in NE. According to Edelman the Pats worked him out at a RB, WR, Special teams. I’m not buying that they looked at a 7th round player that had only ever played QB and thought, “That’s a sure bet WR right there.”

According to Edelman himself, who sat down for an on-air radio interview with HOT 97 in New York, the Patriots didn’t express the same level of interest in him prior to the 2009 NFL Draft that many other teams did. While they did work him out three times – as a running back, as a wide receiver, and as a special teams role player

You are seriously moving goalposts here from your original argument and are trying to take Edelman's insecurity over the position he thought he might be playing over what Patriots management had him actually listed in their draft book on draft day.

As I said earlier, it was his kick returning that drew the Pats interest. Their interest was never as a QB. They knew they had a football player with great movement and spacial awareness and a great set of hands. So they drafted him and LISTED HIM IN THEIR DRAFT BOOK as a WR positionally with the idea he probably starts off returning kicks.

You were wrong initially and just can't admit it so just keep obfuscating and moving goalposts. Just admit you were wrong and take the L. No one is going to think any less of you.

The goalpost is not moving, Nick. His position was a QB. The Pats drafted him thinking he could potentially fit in on offense, defense, or special teams. The pre-draft workouts support this. He ended up developing into a good WR after several years with the team. Trying to paint it like the Pats knew ahead of time exactly how they were going to use him is disingenuous.

You're exact words:

He was a 7th round QB selection.

You were wrong.

Then when you were proven wrong,  you claimed that just because you didn't see reports that the Pats' were going to use him as a WR that that meant he would be thought of by the organization for possible many different position.

But that was proven wrong because the Pats' listed him in their draft book as a WR.

That's being wrong twice and changing your story to try to obfuscate your original claim It's moving goalposts.

If you're ego can't take the L, whatever. You were wrong. I am done with this convo.

That’s correct, he was a QB selected in the 7th round. That was his position designation when he was drafted. I never said he was going to be playing QB for the Pat’s. Reality is, no one knew what specific role Edelman would have when he did get drafted, coaching staff included.

[Phantom255x]

This hasn't been talked about much surprisingly, but it's expected to be a pretty windy day at Foxboro today. Around 20-30 MPH winds with some stronger gusts at times.

That could definitely impact the game. I know Folk's been money this season but it could be a rough day for kicking for both teams because of the winds. Might also impact some of the decision-making from both teams depending on what side they are playing and what the wind directions are at the time.

[nickagneta]

This hasn't been talked about much surprisingly, but it's expected to be a pretty windy day at Foxboro today. Around 20-30 MPH winds with some stronger gusts at times.

That could definitely impact the game. I know Folk's been money this season but it could be a rough day for kicking for both teams because of the winds. Might also impact some of the decision-making from both teams depending on what side they are playing and what the wind directions are at the time.

Bailey was put on IR and the Pats' will be using some guy I never heard of to do the punting. That should be interesting.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

This hasn't been talked about much surprisingly, but it's expected to be a pretty windy day at Foxboro today. Around 20-30 MPH winds with some stronger gusts at times.

That could definitely impact the game. I know Folk's been money this season but it could be a rough day for kicking for both teams because of the winds. Might also impact some of the decision-making from both teams depending on what side they are playing and what the wind directions are at the time.

Bailey was put on IR and the Pats' will be using some guy I never heard of to do the punting. That should be interesting.

Good- Bailey sucked.

Can’t wait for today’s game. We will see if Zach Wilson has exercised his demons after that a Buffalo win.

[Phantom255x]

This hasn't been talked about much surprisingly, but it's expected to be a pretty windy day at Foxboro today. Around 20-30 MPH winds with some stronger gusts at times.

That could definitely impact the game. I know Folk's been money this season but it could be a rough day for kicking for both teams because of the winds. Might also impact some of the decision-making from both teams depending on what side they are playing and what the wind directions are at the time.

Bailey was put on IR and the Pats' will be using some guy I never heard of to do the punting. That should be interesting.

Bailey's last punt (potentially as a Patriot too) was a whopping 7 yards. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that lol. Even horrible shanks typically at least go 15+ yards