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Initial Reaction: Grade The Trade!

A+
40 (21.2%)
A / A-
37 (19.6%)
B+
28 (14.8%)
B / B-
24 (12.7%)
C+
9 (4.8%)
C / C-
15 (7.9%)
D+
6 (3.2%)
D / D-
6 (3.2%)
F
9 (4.8%)
Incomplete (I Just Can't Give It A Grade Yet)
15 (7.9%)

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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #150 on: December 09, 2017, 07:58:46 PM »

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Still F-. ;)

But seriously, Kyrie looks great. His defense and leadership have been better than expected. That said, it’s toughto give the trade a final grade until we see how IT performs and where the BRK pick falls.

Doesn't it matter that CLE resigns IT? I think that is a huge factor.

It is, but say Isaiah leads them to a Finals win and he leaves. Then CLE would have won the trade.

If the Cavs win the Finals, IT won’t have “led them” to the win. He might be a contributor, but LBJ is the best player on that team, even with a full-strength Isaiah, and it isn’t close.

You have to compare what the players do and how the pick lands. Right now, Boston is ahead (given that IT hasn’t played yet and JC’s replacements are significantly outplaying him, it’s pretty clear). We’ll see what happens. If KI keeps doing what he’s doing or improves a bit and IT is about 75% of last years version, and the Nets pick is high lottery, I call the trade for Boston whether Cleveland wins or not. Especially if KI’s performance goes up another notch next year and he’s on the books for 10 million less than we’d have had to pay IT...

I mean yeah that's what I meant. Isaiah helps lead them to a Finals win (as a #2 guy).

And yeah it does depend on where BKN pick lands, which fortunately looks like it could land close to #10 (give or take a few spots), so likely NOT a Top-5 pick.
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #151 on: December 09, 2017, 08:20:53 PM »

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Still F-. ;)

But seriously, Kyrie looks great. His defense and leadership have been better than expected. That said, it’s toughto give the trade a final grade until we see how IT performs and where the BRK pick falls.

Doesn't it matter that CLE resigns IT? I think that is a huge factor.

It is, but say Isaiah leads them to a Finals win and he leaves. Then CLE would have won the trade.

If the Cavs win the Finals, IT won’t have “led them” to the win. He might be a contributor, but LBJ is the best player on that team, even with a full-strength Isaiah, and it isn’t close.

You have to compare what the players do and how the pick lands. Right now, Boston is ahead (given that IT hasn’t played yet and JC’s replacements are significantly outplaying him, it’s pretty clear). We’ll see what happens. If KI keeps doing what he’s doing or improves a bit and IT is about 75% of last years version, and the Nets pick is high lottery, I call the trade for Boston whether Cleveland wins or not. Especially if KI’s performance goes up another notch next year and he’s on the books for 10 million less than we’d have had to pay IT...

I mean yeah that's what I meant. Isaiah helps lead them to a Finals win (as a #2 guy).

And yeah it does depend on where BKN pick lands, which fortunately looks like it could land close to #10 (give or take a few spots), so likely NOT a Top-5 pick.
Frankly, I don’t judge the trade by how Cleveland does.  So what if IT contributes to a title in Cleveland?  He wasn’t going to do that there and then we’d be forced to overpay him.  Kyrie is 100% keeper and that’s enough for me.

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #152 on: December 09, 2017, 08:47:46 PM »

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Still F-. ;)

But seriously, Kyrie looks great. His defense and leadership have been better than expected. That said, it’s toughto give the trade a final grade until we see how IT performs and where the BRK pick falls.

Doesn't it matter that CLE resigns IT? I think that is a huge factor.

It is, but say Isaiah leads them to a Finals win and he leaves. Then CLE would have won the trade.

If the Cavs win the Finals, IT won’t have “led them” to the win. He might be a contributor, but LBJ is the best player on that team, even with a full-strength Isaiah, and it isn’t close.

You have to compare what the players do and how the pick lands. Right now, Boston is ahead (given that IT hasn’t played yet and JC’s replacements are significantly outplaying him, it’s pretty clear). We’ll see what happens. If KI keeps doing what he’s doing or improves a bit and IT is about 75% of last years version, and the Nets pick is high lottery, I call the trade for Boston whether Cleveland wins or not. Especially if KI’s performance goes up another notch next year and he’s on the books for 10 million less than we’d have had to pay IT...

I mean yeah that's what I meant. Isaiah helps lead them to a Finals win (as a #2 guy).

And yeah it does depend on where BKN pick lands, which fortunately looks like it could land close to #10 (give or take a few spots), so likely NOT a Top-5 pick.
Frankly, I don’t judge the trade by how Cleveland does.  So what if IT contributes to a title in Cleveland?  He wasn’t going to do that there and then we’d be forced to overpay him.  Kyrie is 100% keeper and that’s enough for me.

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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #153 on: February 06, 2018, 09:18:00 PM »

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I was wondering what people think about this trade now?

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2018, 09:19:05 PM »

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I was wondering what people think about this trade now?

Well I made this poll/thread and originally gave it a C/C-.

Now I'll give it a solid B.  :)

Nets Pick unfortunately looks like it will be Top-6. Also depends if Kyrie re-signs here or not in 2 years when he hits FA (there's still the risk he bolts).
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #155 on: February 06, 2018, 09:28:58 PM »

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I gave it a B+ and now would move it to an A/A- 

But final grade will have to wait until we see what is gotten from BKLN Pick.

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #156 on: February 06, 2018, 09:58:57 PM »

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I was wondering what people think about this trade now?

Well I made this poll/thread and originally gave it a C/C-.

Now I'll give it a solid B.  :)

Nets Pick unfortunately looks like it will be Top-6. Also depends if Kyrie re-signs here or not in 2 years when he hits FA (there's still the risk he bolts).

Agree on both counts - and Irving can be a flake.
He is notorious for becoming "bored" with his current situation. Supposedly needs a new challenge and all that. Funny how stars from the past didn't complain about being bored with their teams or just had to be "The Man" somewhere. McHale loved playing with Bird, Dr. J was very happy to have Moses join the Sixers and Magic was quite content to leave the Lakers as Kareem's team.
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #157 on: February 06, 2018, 10:24:27 PM »

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I was curious to see if the old board got fired up about 22 minutes of Kyrie not looking the best.

Seriously though, Kyrie is still tradeable. Not that I am saying we should.. we should definitely get at least one playoffs out of him, but if something came up, say a deadline deal for Gasol and Tyreke??
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2018, 10:30:31 PM »

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I was curious to see if the old board got fired up about 22 minutes of Kyrie not looking the best.

Seriously though, Kyrie is still tradeable. Not that I am saying we should.. we should definitely get at least one playoffs out of him, but if something came up, say a deadline deal for Gasol and Tyreke??
SMH. Kyrie for a player on an expiring contract that could just leave and 33 year old Marc Gasol who has become slow on defense and a lot less efficient on offense?

Ummmm...no

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #159 on: February 06, 2018, 10:31:28 PM »

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I was curious to see if the old board got fired up about 22 minutes of Kyrie not looking the best.

Seriously though, Kyrie is still tradeable. Not that I am saying we should.. we should definitely get at least one playoffs out of him, but if something came up, say a deadline deal for Gasol and Tyreke??

What? Are you suggesting a trade of Kyrie for Gasol and Evans? That would be bad on so many levels. Not only would it help cement the 'Traitor Danny' narrative, but it is terrible value. Kyrie may be tradable, but only in like a 1 for 1 deal for AD. Otherwise, it's time to commit to our franchise leader now and in the future.

Agree on both counts - and Irving can be a flake.
He is notorious for becoming "bored" with his current situation. Supposedly needs a new challenge and all that. Funny how stars from the past didn't complain about being bored with their teams or just had to be "The Man" somewhere. McHale loved playing with Bird, Dr. J was very happy to have Moses join the Sixers and Magic was quite content to leave the Lakers as Kareem's team.

I also disagree with this. If you think the reason Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland was because he didn't want to play with another great player and that he was 'bored', then I think you are missing the whole point. It is possible that Kyrie doesn't stay in Boston long-term, but so far so good. As for wanting a challenge, is there a more engaging coach the Brad Stevens?

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #160 on: February 07, 2018, 10:39:01 AM »

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I was curious to see if the old board got fired up about 22 minutes of Kyrie not looking the best.

Seriously though, Kyrie is still tradeable. Not that I am saying we should.. we should definitely get at least one playoffs out of him, but if something came up, say a deadline deal for Gasol and Tyreke??

Huh? Kyrie for Gasol + Tyreke???

I mean sure he's not untouchable but for that trade idea he better be...
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #161 on: February 07, 2018, 10:41:45 AM »

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I was curious to see if the old board got fired up about 22 minutes of Kyrie not looking the best.

Seriously though, Kyrie is still tradeable. Not that I am saying we should.. we should definitely get at least one playoffs out of him, but if something came up, say a deadline deal for Gasol and Tyreke??
Is this a joke post?

You can't seriously be suggesting this, rofl
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #162 on: February 07, 2018, 10:41:54 AM »

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Kyrie looked amazing at the beginning of the season. Now Rozier looks amazing.

Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #163 on: February 07, 2018, 10:44:28 AM »

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Kyrie looked amazing at the beginning of the season. Now Rozier looks amazing.

Hey, Smart's time has to be coming, right?  :P
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Re: Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade
« Reply #164 on: February 07, 2018, 10:46:49 AM »

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Bias aside, he'd be our best trade asset for Davis.  Im sure itd make us better, but obviously that would negate a lot of the benefit of landing Davis.  And obviously Ainge woulsnt do that with his love for guards and Kyrie.
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