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Title: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: soboston on December 31, 2012, 01:55:37 AM
@SamAmicoFSO

NBA GM wouldn't be specific, but says "if what I hear is true," Kings will have tough time turning down Bobcats' offer for DeMarcus Cousins.


Wonder what they are offering.

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2012, 01:58:36 AM
Isn't the biggest need for the Kings the SF position?  Wouldn't the biggest trade chip for the Bobcats be MKG?  ...  That'd be weird, though.  I'm sure going from an 11 win team to a 7 win team will do wonders for Cousins' attitude. 

Hi Demarcus... I know you hate losing and want out of Sacramento.  Good news... we traded you to a team who has dropped 18 in a row!
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: soboston on December 31, 2012, 02:02:55 AM
yeah true. If its MKG then it would be hard for Sac to turn down.  Dont know why they would offer MKG for Cousins though when Mullens has been playing well for them.  But yeah, definitely dont see how going to another losing team will change Cousins attitude.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: syfy9 on December 31, 2012, 02:27:11 AM
Go away Bobcats.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: crownontherocks on December 31, 2012, 02:30:23 AM
@SamAmicoFSO

NBA GM wouldn't be specific, but says "if what I hear is true," Kings will have tough time turning down Bobcats' offer for DeMarcus Cousins.


Wonder what they are offering.


For those asking about Kings-Bobcats talk, keep in mind that was take of one NBA GM. I gave all the info he gave me.

@SamAmicoFSO
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: LooseCannon on December 31, 2012, 02:30:51 AM
yeah true. If its MKG then it would be hard for Sac to turn down.  Dont know why they would offer MKG for Cousins though when Mullens has been playing well for them.

If you think Mullens is so good, would you be in favor of the Celtics acquiring him?
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: lightspeed5 on December 31, 2012, 02:41:24 AM
we have draft picks to sweeten any package. Kidd-Gilchrist is probably untouchable for the bobcats. Rumor has it they have been trying to trade henderson for a while.

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: soboston on December 31, 2012, 02:42:18 AM
yeah true. If its MKG then it would be hard for Sac to turn down.  Dont know why they would offer MKG for Cousins though when Mullens has been playing well for them.

If you think Mullens is so good, would you be in favor of the Celtics acquiring him?


I would prefer Cousins, but I wouldnt be opposed to aquiring him.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: soboston on December 31, 2012, 02:43:58 AM
we have draft picks to sweeten any package. Kidd-Gilchrist is probably untouchable for the bobcats. Rumor has it they have been trying to trade henderson for a while.

If the bobcats have to throw in picks, their picks are better than ours. 
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Tr1boy on December 31, 2012, 02:48:05 AM
MKG is not going anywhere. That would be dumb.But i can see Cats offering

To Sac: Mullens, Henderson, Jeff Taylor
To cats: Cousins

Cousins is better than Mullens but if you can get Henderson and Taylor, that would be a pretty nice return for sac. why Bobcats would do this trade is that, they are in dire need of a change. With the current lineup , they can't win anything

bobcats after trade

C- Cousins
pf- Biyombo
sf- MKG
sg - Ben Gordon
PG - Walker

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: soboston on December 31, 2012, 04:20:26 AM
Quote
CelticsLife.com

about an hour ago





More from Amico: "The Kings have denied they’re trying to trade center DeMarcus Cousins, a true talent as both...

a player and a trouble spot. But multiple sources who claim to have taken their calls said that’s not true, that Cousins is actually on the market. The asking price, however, “is way too high right now,” said one opposing GM."

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: nostar on December 31, 2012, 05:51:58 AM
There should be no player untouchable for the Bobcats. Also I'm not sure why people wouldn't trade Kidd-Gilchrist for Cousins. I would. Taking a shot at a franchise center is almost always worth it. Cousins and Kemba would be a pretty fun duo to watch I think. I like Kidd-Gilchrist a lot but he's not untouchable to me. Also with Cousins value in a lull they might be able to get a pick from SAC in the deal.

Something like:

Gilchrist/Mullins/Taylor
for
Cousins/Evans/pick

Might have a conversation at least.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Who on December 31, 2012, 09:36:03 AM
I expect Charlotte are offering their lottery pick this summer. Probably top 2-3 protected.

They have nothing else on their roster to offer outside of MKG.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 31, 2012, 10:22:33 AM
I expect Charlotte are offering their lottery pick this summer. Probably top 2-3 protected.

They have nothing else on their roster to offer outside of MKG.



Is the lottery pick and MKG package better than what the Celts can offer? Because im leaning towards "No".
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: wiley on December 31, 2012, 10:43:42 AM
I expect Charlotte are offering their lottery pick this summer. Probably top 2-3 protected.

They have nothing else on their roster to offer outside of MKG.



Is the lottery pick and MKG package better than what the Celts can offer? Because im leaning towards "No".

MKG and a top pick, one to 5, is a big time offer IMO.  don't think the bobcats should do it.  mullens and a top pick with Henderson and Taylor is better for Charlotte,and not bad for the kings if they're that fed up Cousins' attitude...
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Lucky17 on December 31, 2012, 11:03:36 AM
Don't the Cats also have the Pistons 2013 1st rounder? That could also be a lottery pick.

Two lotto picks, Henderson, and Diop's expiring deal for Cousins and Salmons' bad contract?
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
I love the bet hedging. "If this is true." lol

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: hpantazo on December 31, 2012, 11:09:12 AM
Don't the Cats also have the Pistons 2013 1st rounder? That could also be a lottery pick.

Two lotto picks, Henderson, and Diop's expiring deal for Cousins and Salmons' bad contract?

Yea, that's quite an offer. IF that's what they are giving up, Cousins is theirs. There is no way we can compete with it.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: hpantazo on December 31, 2012, 11:28:58 AM
This just goes to show you that people who thought we could get Cousins and/or Evans from the Kings for our expendable pieces were wrong. These are two young and extremely talented players on cheap contracts. Many teams will bring strong offers for them, especially teams that can't otherwise attract good free agents.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 31, 2012, 12:17:43 PM
If the Celtics don't find a way to dump all these mediocre players/ role players ....bottom  1/3 of the NBA is where the Celtics will "STAY"

Thats why you gotta give up GOOD players to get the RIGHT player for this team.

ANd its getting to the point  we an't got much to offer.

This team player wise is close to just SAILING right down the tube .   ANd next thing you know a BLOW UP will be all that is left.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 31, 2012, 12:25:22 PM
A source of a source of a source says it will come down to Boston, Dallas, Orlando, or Charlotte (or nothing too, I guess).

http://bit.ly/TZuS3M
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on December 31, 2012, 12:46:10 PM
I expect Charlotte are offering their lottery pick this summer. Probably top 2-3 protected.

They have nothing else on their roster to offer outside of MKG.



Is the lottery pick and MKG package better than what the Celts can offer? Because im leaning towards "No".

MKG and a top pick, one to 5, is a big time offer IMO.  don't think the bobcats should do it.  mullens and a top pick with Henderson and Taylor is better for Charlotte,and not bad for the kings if they're that fed up Cousins' attitude...




Whoops. Didn't realize the pick was 1-5. Not sure how strong the draft class is but that does make a pretty big difference. Im just not sold on MKG yet though.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 31, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
I expect Charlotte are offering their lottery pick this summer. Probably top 2-3 protected.

They have nothing else on their roster to offer outside of MKG.



Is the lottery pick and MKG package better than what the Celts can offer? Because im leaning towards "No".

MKG and a top pick, one to 5, is a big time offer IMO.  don't think the bobcats should do it.  mullens and a top pick with Henderson and Taylor is better for Charlotte,and not bad for the kings if they're that fed up Cousins' attitude...




Whoops. Didn't realize the pick was 1-5. Not sure how strong the draft class is but that does make a pretty big difference. Im just not sold on MKG yet though.

Yeah I'm with you about MKG. Pretty enticing offer for the kings though. Give them two young mega potential players.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Eddie20 on December 31, 2012, 01:09:27 PM
I expect Charlotte are offering their lottery pick this summer. Probably top 2-3 protected.

They have nothing else on their roster to offer outside of MKG.



Is the lottery pick and MKG package better than what the Celts can offer? Because im leaning towards "No".

MKG and a top pick, one to 5, is a big time offer IMO.  don't think the bobcats should do it.  mullens and a top pick with Henderson and Taylor is better for Charlotte,and not bad for the kings if they're that fed up Cousins' attitude...




Whoops. Didn't realize the pick was 1-5. Not sure how strong the draft class is but that does make a pretty big difference. Im just not sold on MKG yet though.

It's actually a very poor class. In fact, draft experts say it's one of the weakest in years. On the other hand, the 2014 class will be loaded.

Andrew Wiggins has the potential to be the future of the league. Experts have called him a "once in a decade" talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HJn74ufOx64 (ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HJn74ufOx64)
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: action781 on December 31, 2012, 01:19:23 PM
I feel like their unprotected first round pick next year would be a pretty good deal for both sides.  Sac gets rid of Cousins and a second very good draft pick.  Charlotte gets a player who can absolutely produce at the NBA level, which they don't know for sure they will get in the draft pick.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: TripleOT on December 31, 2012, 01:27:09 PM
I would think the offer would be along the lines of Biyombo and Henderson for Cousins and filler. 
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Who on December 31, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
I would think the offer would be along the lines of Biyombo and Henderson for Cousins and filler.
Biyombo hasn't proven enough (5 points, 6 rebounds a game guy, still raw defensively, low skill level offensively) to be the main attraction in a trade for someone as talented as D.Cousins.

I think Henderson's value is very low right now too. It doesn't look like Charlotte are going to be willing to pay him this summer. I think he could be picked up for a late first at this point.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 31, 2012, 02:01:45 PM
If Jordan wants him, then I say stay away from him.  The guy is a horrible GM, who can't evaluate talent.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: syfy9 on December 31, 2012, 03:01:36 PM
A source of a source of a source says it will come down to Boston, Dallas, Orlando, or Charlotte (or nothing too, I guess).

http://bit.ly/TZuS3M

TP for the source of a source of a source.

Among these 4, Boston and Dallas are the only ones who would theoretically be put in a position to compete better with Cousins.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: hpantazo on December 31, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
A source of a source of a source says it will come down to Boston, Dallas, Orlando, or Charlotte (or nothing too, I guess).

http://bit.ly/TZuS3M

TP for the source of a source of a source.

Among these 4, Boston and Dallas are the only ones who would theoretically be put in a position to compete better with Cousins.

Wow, the title of the article says Fegan wants Cousins to go to Boston. If that's really the case then it's pretty much set in stone that we will get him.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: rutzan on December 31, 2012, 03:20:35 PM
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=61298.30

this is exactly what I said yesterday...

the "X" factor may be fegan...if i'm fegan and looking for a big pay day for both him and cousins on the next contract...then...i want to place him somewhere where he has the best chance to succeed...the worst thing that could happen for fegan and cousins is to be stuck somewhere where the team does not succeed...and...more to the point...cousins needs to be in a situation where he will grow and learn how to be a professional from doc, garnett, pierce, terry, rondo...i can already see the raised eyebrows with the inclusion of rondo...can you see cousins in kg's face...who do you think will back down first...cousins needs to be in an environment where he will grow...and...i think fegan knows this
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: esel1000 on December 31, 2012, 03:21:05 PM
A source of a source of a source says it will come down to Boston, Dallas, Orlando, or Charlotte (or nothing too, I guess).

http://bit.ly/TZuS3M

TP for the source of a source of a source.

Among these 4, Boston and Dallas are the only ones who would theoretically be put in a position to compete better with Cousins.

Wow, the title of the article says Fegan wants Cousins to go to Boston. If that's really the case then it's pretty much set in stone that we will get him.

Just saw the title. If thats true that really helps us. I dont see why his agent wouldn't want him here out of those 4, Celtics really do have the best chance to contend with him.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 31, 2012, 03:26:18 PM
A source of a source of a source says it will come down to Boston, Dallas, Orlando, or Charlotte (or nothing too, I guess).

http://bit.ly/TZuS3M

TP for the source of a source of a source.

Among these 4, Boston and Dallas are the only ones who would theoretically be put in a position to compete better with Cousins.

Wow, the title of the article says Fegan wants Cousins to go to Boston. If that's really the case then it's pretty much set in stone that we will get him.

Just saw the title. If thats true that really helps us. I dont see why his agent wouldn't want him here out of those 4, Celtics really do have the best chance to contend with him.

Regarding the title, I think the folks at CelticsLife conveniently left out that they were aiming for any of those four teams; only listing the C's to add hype. There's no mention in the actual article of preference to the Celtics.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 31, 2012, 03:30:08 PM
C's hesitant to include Bradley in the deal, which makes me happy.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/celtics-see-avery-bradley-as.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Quote
So the Celtics are very much in on Cousins, but are hesitant to trade the one guy who might get the trade done.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: rutzan on December 31, 2012, 03:49:38 PM
what did red always say about big men? 

we've even heard doc say that 7-footers do not grow on trees...

talent wins in the NBA...period. 

here is my own little scale...i will preface this by saying that many will object for various reasons...it is not scientific enough, etc:

1: Superstar
2: All-Star
3: Starter
4: Rotation Player
5: End of the Bench

DMC is a 1.5
if he gets his head screwed on right...and...i know that is a big if...he will be a dominant big man for 10 years with 5 to 10 All-Star appearances

AB is a 2.5
he will be a solid player...borderline All-Star...prob make 2-3 All-Star appearances

Sully is a 2.5
he will be a solid player...borderline All-Star...prob make 1-2 All-Star appearances...glue guy...

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2012, 04:02:34 PM
what did red always say about big men? 

we've even heard doc say that 7-footers do not grow on trees...

talent wins in the NBA...period. 

here is my own little scale...i will preface this by saying that many will object for various reasons...it is not scientific enough, etc:

1: Superstar
2: All-Star
3: Starter
4: Rotation Player
5: End of the Bench

DMC is a 1.5
if he gets his head screwed on right...and...i know that is a big if...he will be a dominant big man for 10 years with 5 to 10 All-Star appearances

AB is a 2.5
he will be a solid player...borderline All-Star...prob make 2-3 All-Star appearances

Sully is a 2.5
he will be a solid player...borderline All-Star...prob make 1-2 All-Star appearances...glue guy...

I like your scale, but it's backwards.  Should be:

5 stars: Superstar
4 stars: All-Star
3 stars: Starter
2 stars: Rotation Player
1 star: End of the Bench

... Like in video games. 

Which would make Cousins like a 3.5 right now and maybe a 4.5 potential.

KG in his prime was a 5... now he's a 4.
Pierce in his absolute prime may have been a 4.5, but it was short lived... he's been a 4 for most of his career and is inching towards 3.5.
Ray in his absolute prime was a 4.5... now he's a 2.5
Rondo is a 4.  His stats often suggest otherwise, but he's a 4.
Terry is life long 2.5
Bass is a 2 ->  2.5
Sully is a 2 right now with a potential anywhere between 2.5 and 3.
Lee is a 2.5
Barbosa is a 2 -> 2.5
Bradley is a 2.5 right now with a max potential of a 3.5.  THough some here see him as having 4 potential.  A few more see him as having 4.5 potential, but that's just homers being homers.
Fab Melo is a 0.5 right now probably with a max potential of 3 (Perkins was about the same).
Jeff Green is a 3 with 3.5 potential

Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 04:09:01 PM
C's hesitant to include Bradley in the deal, which makes me happy.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/celtics-see-avery-bradley-as.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Quote
So the Celtics are very much in on Cousins, but are hesitant to trade the one guy who might get the trade done.

Blah.

Bradley as a cornerstone?? That's a stretch.

I hate to see the Celtics pass on Cousins because they are in love with an undersized shooting guard who played well for a month or two.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: j804 on December 31, 2012, 04:15:34 PM
Did you guys read DA's The Morning Tip article today?

Lots of stuff in their about Cousins while they publicly say hes not being traded the thought is he could be they are about done with him. The deal if it were to get done would include Bradley, Sully and Melo.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2012, 04:20:01 PM
what did red always say about big men? 

we've even heard doc say that 7-footers do not grow on trees...

talent wins in the NBA...period. 

here is my own little scale...i will preface this by saying that many will object for various reasons...it is not scientific enough, etc:

1: Superstar
2: All-Star
3: Starter
4: Rotation Player
5: End of the Bench

DMC is a 1.5
if he gets his head screwed on right...and...i know that is a big if...he will be a dominant big man for 10 years with 5 to 10 All-Star appearances

AB is a 2.5
he will be a solid player...borderline All-Star...prob make 2-3 All-Star appearances

Sully is a 2.5
he will be a solid player...borderline All-Star...prob make 1-2 All-Star appearances...glue guy...

I like your scale, but it's backwards.  Should be:

5 stars: Superstar
4 stars: All-Star
3 stars: Starter
2 stars: Rotation Player
1 star: End of the Bench

... Like in video games. 

Which would make Cousins like a 3.5 right now and maybe a 4.5 potential.

KG in his prime was a 5... now he's a 4.
Pierce in his absolute prime may have been a 4.5, but it was short lived... he's been a 4 for most of his career and is inching towards 3.5.
Ray in his absolute prime was a 4.5... now he's a 2.5
Rondo is a 4.  His stats often suggest otherwise, but he's a 4.
Terry is life long 2.5
Bass is a 2 ->  2.5
Sully is a 2 right now with a potential anywhere between 2.5 and 3.
Lee is a 2.5
Barbosa is a 2 -> 2.5
Bradley is a 2.5 right now with a max potential of a 3.5.  THough some here see him as having 4 potential.  A few more see him as having 4.5 potential, but that's just homers being homers.
Fab Melo is a 0.5 right now probably with a max potential of 3 (Perkins was about the same).
Jeff Green is a 3 with 3.5 potential

If you're keeping track at home..  here's our roster:

PG - Rondo - 4 stars
SG - Lee - 2.5 stars
SF - Pierce - 4 stars
PF - KG - 4 stars
C - Collins - 1 star
----
SF - Green - 3 stars
PF - Bass - 2.5 stars
SG - Terry - 2.5 stars
SG - Bradley - 2.5 stars
SG - Barbosa - 2.5 stars
PF - Sullinger - 2 stars

... Hence why I've been saying this roster "made no sense" since prior to the season starting and hence why our current struggles were predictable.

It's why you'd give up pretty much anything outside of Rondo to get a young 3.5 Center with 4.5 star potential.... and why it's highly unlikely our talent is valuable enough to land one. 

Real Talk With LarBrd33
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
C's hesitant to include Bradley in the deal, which makes me happy.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/celtics-see-avery-bradley-as.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Quote
So the Celtics are very much in on Cousins, but are hesitant to trade the one guy who might get the trade done.

Blah.

Bradley as a cornerstone?? That's a stretch.

I hate to see the Celtics pass on Cousins because they are in love with an undersized shooting guard who played well for a month or two.

but by the same token, no one here wants to see the celtics trade away a young defensive star who can also score in order to bring in an immature head-case who refuses to play team ball.  ;D

there in lies the rub, and i have no real answer. is cousins capable of consistently playing for anyone save himself? maybe yes. maybe no. the nba has examples of players who matured, and those who never matured. but in the end, those examples dont matter since this is strictly up to cousins and he wont base his decision upon what other players did or did not do years ago.

we should keep in mind that the sole reason cousins is possibly available now is because he has proven to his current team that he is unwilling, or unable, to be a team player. it is hard to get a bigger red flag than that.

in any case, i hope the celtics hold onto bradley should a deal go down. i hope they can keep sullinger too, but if sullinger is necessary in a deal to get cousins, i can see why ainge would do it.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 04:26:55 PM
C's hesitant to include Bradley in the deal, which makes me happy.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/celtics-see-avery-bradley-as.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Quote
So the Celtics are very much in on Cousins, but are hesitant to trade the one guy who might get the trade done.

Blah.

Bradley as a cornerstone?? That's a stretch.

I hate to see the Celtics pass on Cousins because they are in love with an undersized shooting guard who played well for a month or two.

but by the same token, no one here wants to see the celtics trade away a young defensive star who can also score for an immature head-case who would refuse to play team ball.  ;D

there in lies the rub, and i have no real answer. is cousins capable of consistently playing for anyone save himself? maybe yes. maybe no. the nba has examples of players who matured, and those who never matured. but in the end, those examples dont matter since this is strictly up to cousins and he wont base his decision upon what other players did or did not do years ago.

we should keep in mind that the sole reason cousins is possibly available now is because he has proven to his current team that he is unwilling, or unable, to be a team player. it is hard to get a bigger red flag than that.

in any case, i hope the celtics hold onto bradley should a deal go down. i hope they can keep sullinger too, but if sullinger is necessary in a deal to get cousins, i can see why ainge would do it.

I also would love for the Celtics to hold on too Bradley and Sully. I have to say I'm becoming a Sully fan boy, lol. But for Cousins, I'd trade both no problem, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: crownontherocks on December 31, 2012, 05:11:19 PM
DeMarcus Cousins returned from his indefinite suspension earlier than the team had expected.

Cousins arrived for a Christmas Eve practice.

"When he apologized to the team, two players stood up and said, 'We've heard this bull[bleep] before,'" the source said. "'You're either going to be with us, or you're not. We don't want to hear any more excuses.'"

The Kings have tried to persuade Cousins to enter counseling.

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Seems like the locker room is turning against them. And i see the kings trading him instead of holding on to him. I dont expect anything to happen after  jan 15 when other players can be traded
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Eddie20 on December 31, 2012, 05:46:44 PM
David Aldridge:


Quote
Many execs around the league have the Celtics and Pistons at the top of the list of Cousins admirers, even after this latest episode. The Boston Scenario goes like this: surely Cousins would straighten up and fly right if he was surrounded by winners; if he had Doc Rivers barking in one ear and KG barking in the other, he'd have no choice but to give in to the Mystique.

Okay.

Still, the Celtics are willing to take the gamble, according to another league source, and embrace the challenge of keeping Cousins on the right path. But if Petrie can't add any payroll, it's hard to see a scenario with Boston that would be enticing for the Kings, unless they're enamored with rookies Jared Sullinger or Fab Melo as centerpieces of a deal.
Including guard Avery Bradley might get a conversation going, but the Cs love Bradley's two-way game and have imagined him a cornerstone of their rebuild; Bradley's rapid development the second half of last season before his shoulder injuries put him on the shelf in the playoffs made it much easier for Boston to absorb Ray Allen's departure.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
David Aldridge:


Quote
Many execs around the league have the Celtics and Pistons at the top of the list of Cousins admirers, even after this latest episode. The Boston Scenario goes like this: surely Cousins would straighten up and fly right if he was surrounded by winners; if he had Doc Rivers barking in one ear and KG barking in the other, he'd have no choice but to give in to the Mystique.

Okay.

Still, the Celtics are willing to take the gamble, according to another league source, and embrace the challenge of keeping Cousins on the right path. But if Petrie can't add any payroll, it's hard to see a scenario with Boston that would be enticing for the Kings, unless they're enamored with rookies Jared Sullinger or Fab Melo as centerpieces of a deal.
Including guard Avery Bradley might get a conversation going, but the Cs love Bradley's two-way game and have imagined him a cornerstone of their rebuild; Bradley's rapid development the second half of last season before his shoulder injuries put him on the shelf in the playoffs made it much easier for Boston to absorb Ray Allen's departure.

Pistons huh? I'd assume that means they'd be willing to give up Drummond? And go with a Monroe, Cousins front court.(that's nasty)
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: RJ87 on December 31, 2012, 06:05:05 PM
C's hesitant to include Bradley in the deal, which makes me happy.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/celtics-see-avery-bradley-as.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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So the Celtics are very much in on Cousins, but are hesitant to trade the one guy who might get the trade done.

Blah.

Bradley as a cornerstone?? That's a stretch.

I hate to see the Celtics pass on Cousins because they are in love with an undersized shooting guard who played well for a month or two.

To play devil's advocate: this could also be the Celtics' PR trying to increase Avery's value to the team to increase his trade value.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: ScottHow on December 31, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
C's hesitant to include Bradley in the deal, which makes me happy.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/12/celtics-see-avery-bradley-as.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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So the Celtics are very much in on Cousins, but are hesitant to trade the one guy who might get the trade done.

Blah.

Bradley as a cornerstone?? That's a stretch.

I hate to see the Celtics pass on Cousins because they are in love with an undersized shooting guard who played well for a month or two.

To play devil's advocate: this could also be the Celtics' PR trying to increase Avery's value to the team to increase his trade value.

I like your way of thinking. tp
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Birdman on December 31, 2012, 06:12:04 PM
who would u guys rather have: Cousins or Bradley?? I think i pick Cousins in a second
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: AB_Celtic on December 31, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
U would u guys rather have: Cousins or Bradley?? I think i pick Cousins in a second

It's not a straight-up deal, though. If it was Bradley for Cousins straight-up I would do it.

But that doesn't even work money-wise.
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Birdman on December 31, 2012, 06:16:42 PM
U would u guys rather have: Cousins or Bradley?? I think i pick Cousins in a second

It's not a straight-up deal, though. If it was Bradley for Cousins straight-up I would do it.

But that doesn't even work money-wise.
I know its not a straight up deal but alot of ppl on here does not want to include Bradley in a deal..Cousins is a lot better than Bradley..I ask Sac who do they want and I give them to Sac for Cousins..Only untouchable would be KG and Rondo
Title: Re: Bobcats Preparing Offer For Cousins
Post by: Eddie20 on December 31, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
David Aldridge:


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Many execs around the league have the Celtics and Pistons at the top of the list of Cousins admirers, even after this latest episode. The Boston Scenario goes like this: surely Cousins would straighten up and fly right if he was surrounded by winners; if he had Doc Rivers barking in one ear and KG barking in the other, he'd have no choice but to give in to the Mystique.

Okay.

Still, the Celtics are willing to take the gamble, according to another league source, and embrace the challenge of keeping Cousins on the right path. But if Petrie can't add any payroll, it's hard to see a scenario with Boston that would be enticing for the Kings, unless they're enamored with rookies Jared Sullinger or Fab Melo as centerpieces of a deal.
Including guard Avery Bradley might get a conversation going, but the Cs love Bradley's two-way game and have imagined him a cornerstone of their rebuild; Bradley's rapid development the second half of last season before his shoulder injuries put him on the shelf in the playoffs made it much easier for Boston to absorb Ray Allen's departure.

Pistons huh? I'd assume that means they'd be willing to give up Drummond? And go with a Monroe, Cousins front court.(that's nasty)

Not really. Aldridge also addressed them.

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On the other hand, Detroit would have the requisite young, inexpensive talent to send back to Sacramento if it were inclined to take a gamble on Cousins. Third-year emerging star Greg Monroe would certainly get the Kings' attention, as he did before the 2010 Draft. A league source says the Kings took Cousins instead on Westphal's behalf.
"Geoff preferred Greg Monroe" before the 2010 Draft, the source said. "But (Petrie) was a friend of Paul's and he was trying to help him win more right away...when Paul was there, he did a lot of things to try and help him win games, because (former coaches Eric) Musselman and (Reggie) Theus had been such disasters. Paul was a contemporary of Geoff's; he was a smart guy."

Except, Detroit has no interest in him. At least not anymore.

The Pistons certainly were intrigued with Cousins before the 2010 Draft, and tried to move up from the ninth spot to get him. But once Sacramento took him at five, Detroit went for the next highly-rated big on the board in Monroe, and has been quite happy it did so.
Now, the Pistons plan to build around Monroe and rookie center Andre Drummond. There is no chance Detroit would move Monroe and leave itself with Cousins and Drummond -- who, like Cousins, is immensely talented, but has his own growing up to do after a lackluster one-and-done season at Connecticut before entering last year's Draft.

There seems to be a lot of posturing going on. According to this, Detroit is out of the picture. We'll see what happens when the dust settles.