why would the Kings give up Mclemore and WCS for nothing?
These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.
Mclemore is playing in a broken system. He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him
But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player
AB is AB. He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.
Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.
So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete that CBS can mold into a top notch player
You keep comparing McLemore and Barnes and I'm not sure why. Barnes has great size/strength for a 3 and during the Warriors small ball/closing time lineups plays the 4. McLemore is a 6-5/195 shooting guard.
People fall in love with McLemore because he has a smooth looking shot, good athleticism, and nice size for a 2 guard. In other words, he's the prototypical 2 guard on paper. However, that's on paper. The truth is that he has low basketball IQ, poor ball handling (both handles and passing), bad shot selection, moves poorly without the ball, isn't a great finisher at the rim despite his athleticism, isn't a good defender, and doesn't a good feel for the game.
Bradley is only 2 years older than McLemore and is 2 times the player. Plus, he's locked up on a team friendly deal.
You think AB had high BBIQ from the start? Or was even a competent player? He has developed into a solid player today. But he will always be an undersized SG .
Mclemore is not 195 pounds. RJ Hunter is 195. Mclemore is alot beefier than that. He is 6'5 but so is Jimmy Butler who plays SF half the time for the Bulls.
Mclemore has been known for his strong defensive play from college ball. Playing for the Kings his defense has suffered.
With having Marcus Smart, Rozier, Hunter AB is expandable. IT is definitely more valuable because of his ability to create offense.
McLemore’s 6’3 without shoes according to Jeff Goodman’s conversation with him. 189 pounds per DraftExpress pre-draft video, 195 now per BB-reference. I was slightly heavier at his age at the same height and no one would ever consider me beefy.
Defensively, Draft Express said of him pre-draft:
- Should be much better defender than he is at this stage
- Allows far too much penetration considering his physical tool
- Too upright on defense, doesn’t always pressure the ball
- Loses his man off the ball – has trouble staying locked in
With SAC he has a defensive rating of 110 and a Defensive Block +/- of -2.7, 10th worst and 9th worst, respectively on a SAC team that is 26th in defensive rating per BB-reference. BM’s poorer on defense than his team.
His biggest problem, however, is that he has a poor handle and cannot create his own shot and turns the ball over a lot. He is a standstill shooter when not in transition and despite a decent TS%, he’s got a low PER. He’s below average on assists and rebounds too.
He also has a Defensive Real Plus Minus score of -1.54 (61st among SG) and Offensive Real Plus Minus of -1.61 (64th among SG).
His combined over Real Plus Minus of -3.15 is good for 73rd among all NBA Shooting Guards.
By comparison Avery Bradley's numbers, and rank among Shooting Guards:
ORPM: +1.99 (= 6th)
DRPM: -0.83 (23rd)
RPM: +1.16 (7th)
Honestly I like WCS and I think he has some quality potential, and I think McLemore could one day be a decent (not going further than that) player.
But there are at least three assets listed in this deal (Sully, Bradley, Brooklyn 1st) which, on their own, are at least as valuable as WCS and McLemore put together.
As somebody else suggested, this is the kinda deal you throw at the Kings if you want Demarcus Cousins, or the type of deal you throw at New York for Carmelo Anthony. This is a "snap up a superstar" deal. The Kings would have to consider trading Cousins if they got this offer - after Ainge's recent comments (about 'cost' of acquiring big stars) I'm actually not convinced Ainge would say yet.
To make this offer for WCS and McLemore? Wow. Just wow. We could probably get WCS for the Nets pick on it's own..and I'd still say no.
I also don't get the whole claim about Brooklyn's pick looking less valueable now. Why? We are almost a quarter of the way through the season now and Brooklyn are 5-14. Their 0.263% win percentage is good for 4th last in the NBA, and their point differential is good for 6th last. To make matters worse they have been almost completely healthy all season, so this is well and truly the best case scenario.
So based on their current trajectory, that Brooklyn pick projects to fall top 6, and a top 6 pick on it's on has similar value to WCS.
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