HoopsHype's Top 10 SFs

[Roy H.]

10.  Khris Middleton
9.  DeMar DeRozan
8.  Michael Bridges
7.  Brandon Ingram
6.  Paul George
5.  Lebron James
4.  Kawhi Leonard
3.  Jimmy Butler
2.  Kevin Durant
1.  Jayson Tatum

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-top-24-small-forwards-2023-24-season-lebron-tatum-durant/

Do you agree?

[Who]

10.  Khris Middleton
9.  DeMar DeRozan
8.  Michael Bridges
7.  Brandon Ingram
6.  Paul George
5.  Lebron James
4.  Kawhi Leonard
3.  Jimmy Butler
2.  Kevin Durant
1.  Jayson Tatum

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-top-24-small-forwards-2023-24-season-lebron-tatum-durant/

Do you agree?

I have Anunoby and Franz Wagner on my list instead of those two.

I have Luka listed as a SF and Durant listed as a PF on my ranking lists. I'd have Luka #1 and Tatum #2. Not sure which way I'd rank Tatum & Durant. So close.

I am not sure about the order of the next three - J Butler, Kawhi and LeBron. I have Jimmy behind the other two. I suppose you could make a case for any order for these three.

So I have the top 2-3 with Tatum, Luka, Durant. Then the next tier of three with Jimmy, Kawhi, LeBron. I had PG13 at PF given that Kawhi was at SF. I would have PG13 just behind that trio if he is listed at SF. Then Ingram. Then the bottom 3 of the top 10 Middleton, Franz Wagner and Anunoby. I suppose Jaylen would slot in around Ingram / Middleton level if we were to list him at SF.

[ChillyWilly]

10.  Khris Middleton
9.  DeMar DeRozan
8.  Michael Bridges
7.  Brandon Ingram
6.  Paul George
5.  Lebron James
4.  Kawhi Leonard
3.  Jimmy Butler
2.  Kevin Durant
1.  Jayson Tatum

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-top-24-small-forwards-2023-24-season-lebron-tatum-durant/

Do you agree?

I have Anunoby and Franz Wagner on my list instead of those two.

I have Luka listed as a SF and Durant listed as a PF on my ranking lists. I'd have Luka #1 and Tatum #2. Not sure which way I'd rank Tatum & Durant. So close.

I am not sure about the order of the next three - J Butler, Kawhi and LeBron. I have Jimmy behind the other two. I suppose you could make a case for any order for these three.

So I have the top 2-3 with Tatum, Luka, Durant. Then the next tier of three with Jimmy, Kawhi, LeBron. I had PG13 at PF given that Kawhi was at SF. I would have PG13 just behind that trio if he is listed at SF. Then Ingram. Then the bottom 3 of the top 10 Middleton, Franz Wagner and Anunoby. I suppose Jaylen would slot in around Ingram / Middleton level if we were to list him at SF.

Even though he's my fellow countrymen he doesnt play even a lick of defense and that's what makes Tatum better.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

[CelticsPoetry]

10.  Khris Middleton
9.  DeMar DeRozan
8.  Michael Bridges
7.  Brandon Ingram
6.  Paul George
5.  Lebron James
4.  Kawhi Leonard
3.  Jimmy Butler
2.  Kevin Durant
1.  Jayson Tatum

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-top-24-small-forwards-2023-24-season-lebron-tatum-durant/

Do you agree?

I have Anunoby and Franz Wagner on my list instead of those two.

I have Luka listed as a SF and Durant listed as a PF on my ranking lists. I'd have Luka #1 and Tatum #2. Not sure which way I'd rank Tatum & Durant. So close.

I am not sure about the order of the next three - J Butler, Kawhi and LeBron. I have Jimmy behind the other two. I suppose you could make a case for any order for these three.

So I have the top 2-3 with Tatum, Luka, Durant. Then the next tier of three with Jimmy, Kawhi, LeBron. I had PG13 at PF given that Kawhi was at SF. I would have PG13 just behind that trio if he is listed at SF. Then Ingram. Then the bottom 3 of the top 10 Middleton, Franz Wagner and Anunoby. I suppose Jaylen would slot in around Ingram / Middleton level if we were to list him at SF.

Even though he's my fellow countrymen he doesnt play even a lick of defense and that's what makes Tatum better.

You're from Slovenia too? Never thought I'd meet a fellow Slovenian here.

[green_bballers13]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

[Moranis]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

[green_bballers13]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

[Moranis]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

Dallas was 27-25 when they made the trade for Irving and with Doncic they were 27-19 (0-6 in the games he missed before Irving).  The Mavs finished 11-19 after acquiring Irving and they were 8-12 in the games Irving played.  In the games Doncic played after acquiring Irving, they were 7-14. 

The acquisition of Irving killed their season.  They went from a playoff team to out of the play-in, after making the conference finals the year before.  Irving kills every team he is on.  He is the biggest loser in the sport and always has been.

[mobilija]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

Dallas was 27-25 when they made the trade for Irving and with Doncic they were 27-19 (0-6 in the games he missed before Irving).  The Mavs finished 11-19 after acquiring Irving and they were 8-12 in the games Irving played.  In the games Doncic played after acquiring Irving, they were 7-14. 

The acquisition of Irving killed their season.  They went from a playoff team to out of the play-in, after making the conference finals the year before.  Irving kills every team he is on.  He is the biggest loser in the sport and always has been.

Jason Tatum dragged Irving to the playoffs

[Moranis]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

Dallas was 27-25 when they made the trade for Irving and with Doncic they were 27-19 (0-6 in the games he missed before Irving).  The Mavs finished 11-19 after acquiring Irving and they were 8-12 in the games Irving played.  In the games Doncic played after acquiring Irving, they were 7-14. 

The acquisition of Irving killed their season.  They went from a playoff team to out of the play-in, after making the conference finals the year before.  Irving kills every team he is on.  He is the biggest loser in the sport and always has been.

Jason Tatum dragged Irving to the playoffs

Boston was just as good with Irving missing the game entirely as they were when he played. 

[PAOBoston]

I am not sure how Kawhi and PG can be on this list. They can’t stay healthy and have missed a billion games over the last few years. They are the most underwhelming high paid duo in the league imo.

[mobilija]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

Dallas was 27-25 when they made the trade for Irving and with Doncic they were 27-19 (0-6 in the games he missed before Irving).  The Mavs finished 11-19 after acquiring Irving and they were 8-12 in the games Irving played.  In the games Doncic played after acquiring Irving, they were 7-14. 

The acquisition of Irving killed their season.  They went from a playoff team to out of the play-in, after making the conference finals the year before.  Irving kills every team he is on.  He is the biggest loser in the sport and always has been.

Jason Tatum dragged Irving to the playoffs

Boston was just as good with Irving missing the game entirely as they were when he played.

Right....thats the point I was making....Tatum could continue to have success with the team killer, whereas Luka could not.

[green_bballers13]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

Dallas was 27-25 when they made the trade for Irving and with Doncic they were 27-19 (0-6 in the games he missed before Irving).  The Mavs finished 11-19 after acquiring Irving and they were 8-12 in the games Irving played.  In the games Doncic played after acquiring Irving, they were 7-14. 

The acquisition of Irving killed their season.  They went from a playoff team to out of the play-in, after making the conference finals the year before.  Irving kills every team he is on.  He is the biggest loser in the sport and always has been.

I can't stand Kyrie, but we should give credit where its due. Irving hit the 3 pointer over Stephen Curry in Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals. I agree with your overall point on Kyrie- he stinks.

Luka is super young and has amazing potential. He has to do more in the playoffs to be ranked higher than Tatum. In my subjective ranking, playoff results matter.

[Moranis]

I can’t believe I’m defending Lebron, but I have him above Kawhi. I’d like to see Kawhi actually stay healthy- he hasn’t been available for a full playoff run since the bubble.

100%. Kawhi is a part time basketball player. Lebron all day.

Luka isn't in my top 4. He's after Lebron, Kawhi, and PG13. Great scorer. He's a defensive turnstyle that just missed the playoffs.

he has also been in the CF more recently than PG13 or Kawhi, though.  And they don't have to play with team killer Kyrie Irving.

Cmon man. We can admit that we have favorites. Mine are Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. I'll defend those guys, even when I have a weak case.

Kyrie isn't the only problem in Dallas. The rest of the team isn't very good, and Luka is a defensive liability. Not a guy you want leading the way if you're trying to win a ring.

Dallas was 27-25 when they made the trade for Irving and with Doncic they were 27-19 (0-6 in the games he missed before Irving).  The Mavs finished 11-19 after acquiring Irving and they were 8-12 in the games Irving played.  In the games Doncic played after acquiring Irving, they were 7-14. 

The acquisition of Irving killed their season.  They went from a playoff team to out of the play-in, after making the conference finals the year before.  Irving kills every team he is on.  He is the biggest loser in the sport and always has been.

Jason Tatum dragged Irving to the playoffs

Boston was just as good with Irving missing the game entirely as they were when he played.

Right....thats the point I was making....Tatum could continue to have success with the team killer, whereas Luka could not.

Except, Boston did well when Irving missed the playoffs and flamed out in 5 games when Irving played.  And Boston also had Horford, Hayward, Brown, Morris, Rozier.  Much better supporting cast.  I mean Boston lost Irving, lost Horford, lost Rozier, lost Morris and went from a 59.8 win percentage to a 66.7% win percentage (they obviously added Kemba and Theis)