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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2130 on: February 26, 2020, 09:23:05 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.

The point is GSW succeeded because Klay and Steph are the two greatest shooters in NBA history.
Add a Kevin Durant to the mix and the team becomes unbeatable.

So to copy the GSW model, you have to have great shooters.
The Celtics are not yet an elite 3pt shooting team.
That's why it's more important for the Celts to have balance.

This team does have pretty good balance.  It's rather apparent.   You're not going to be elite in every aspect of the game.   It's just not feasible.

That's your opinion.

If the Celts are #1 in the east and I'm still criticizing the Celts, that means something's wrong with me.

But right now the Celts are not on the same level as the Bucks and maybe just as good as a Toronto team without Kawhi.

Right now Celts are winning games because Jayson Tatum is playing like a 1st tier NBA superstar.

Also, a lot of Celtic fans here are complaining about how weak the Celtic bench is.
That alone is proof that the team is not balanced.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2131 on: February 26, 2020, 09:24:24 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.
Bit of a common theme here, eh? Wanting to trade an All-Star caliber wing for a dinosaur like Drummond is an example.

Like I said, let's wait for the playoffs.

If the Celts end up winning a championship with the current roster, I'll gladly admit to being wrong.

I hope you guys will be man enough to admit that you were wrong if the Celts get eliminated in the playoffs.
I mean, you haven't admitted how wrong you were about trading Hayward for Drummond, so I don't know why you are expecting other people to admit being wrong.
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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2132 on: February 26, 2020, 09:24:47 AM »

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Wait so now the standard is the Celtics have to be as good as the team with the best regular season performance in history and the soon to be two time MVP for you to be wrong?

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The C's could have done everything right and maximized their title window this year and still lose to the Bucks, They're that freaking good.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2133 on: February 26, 2020, 09:26:32 AM »

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ROFL

What a truly fair rubric that makes sense evaluating the team. Either:

1. C's win the title. Yay!

2. C's don't win Boo, thus we should have traded a valuable wing for a big man who was traded for a 2nd round pick and nothing and I'm right.

Not one dang person said not trading Hayward for a big stiff guaranteed a title.

Who said anything about trading trading Hayward for a big.

A move like trading Poirier and a pick for a guy like Noel or Poeltl would've made the Celts better.

I get that moving Hayward is a big risk.
But not making any moves and sticking with Poirier, who will not get any playing in the playoffs, doesn't make sense.

A minor move to improve the bench or to find an insurance in case Theis or Kanter gets hurt would have made a difference in the long run.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2134 on: February 26, 2020, 09:28:21 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.
Bit of a common theme here, eh? Wanting to trade an All-Star caliber wing for a dinosaur like Drummond is an example.

Like I said, let's wait for the playoffs.

If the Celts end up winning a championship with the current roster, I'll gladly admit to being wrong.

I hope you guys will be man enough to admit that you were wrong if the Celts get eliminated in the playoffs.
I mean, you haven't admitted how wrong you were about trading Hayward for Drummond, so I don't know why you are expecting other people to admit being wrong.

I didn't predict Hayward would be traded for Drummond.

Did I guarantee Hayward would be traded for Drummond?

What I did was make a case why Hayward for Drummond made sense.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2135 on: February 26, 2020, 09:28:59 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.

The point is GSW succeeded because Klay and Steph are the two greatest shooters in NBA history.
Add a Kevin Durant to the mix and the team becomes unbeatable.

So to copy the GSW model, you have to have great shooters.
The Celtics are not yet an elite 3pt shooting team.
That's why it's more important for the Celts to have balance.

This team does have pretty good balance.  It's rather apparent.   You're not going to be elite in every aspect of the game.   It's just not feasible.

That's your opinion.

If the Celts are #1 in the east and I'm still criticizing the Celts, that means something's wrong with me.

But right now the Celts are not on the same level as the Bucks and maybe just as good as a Toronto team without Kawhi.

Right now Celts are winning games because Jayson Tatum is playing like a 1st tier NBA superstar.

Also, a lot of Celtic fans here are complaining about how weak the Celtic bench is.
That alone is proof that the team is not balanced.

This team is 40-17.  That's a .702 winning percentage.  That's good.  Really good. 

Fans complaining really isn't proof of anything.  It's opinion, not fact.


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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2136 on: February 26, 2020, 09:29:45 AM »

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Wait so now the standard is the Celtics have to be as good as the team with the best regular season performance in history and the soon to be two time MVP for you to be wrong?

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The C's could have done everything right and maximized their title window this year and still lose to the Bucks, They're that freaking good.

I disagree.

The Bucks were better last season with Brogdon.

This season the Bucks are not that deep.

The problem is the other eastern teams also got weaker.

Philly lost Butler and Redick.

Toronto lost Kawhi.

And Boston basically has a new team with Horford and Kyrie gone.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2137 on: February 26, 2020, 09:30:05 AM »

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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2138 on: February 26, 2020, 09:30:46 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.

The point is GSW succeeded because Klay and Steph are the two greatest shooters in NBA history.
Add a Kevin Durant to the mix and the team becomes unbeatable.

So to copy the GSW model, you have to have great shooters.
The Celtics are not yet an elite 3pt shooting team.
That's why it's more important for the Celts to have balance.

This team does have pretty good balance.  It's rather apparent.   You're not going to be elite in every aspect of the game.   It's just not feasible.

That's your opinion.

If the Celts are #1 in the east and I'm still criticizing the Celts, that means something's wrong with me.

But right now the Celts are not on the same level as the Bucks and maybe just as good as a Toronto team without Kawhi.

Right now Celts are winning games because Jayson Tatum is playing like a 1st tier NBA superstar.

Also, a lot of Celtic fans here are complaining about how weak the Celtic bench is.
That alone is proof that the team is not balanced.

This team is 40-17.  That's a .702 winning percentage.  That's good.  Really good. 

Fans complaining really isn't proof of anything.  It's opinion, not fact.

For the record, you're saying that the Celts bench is not a problem?

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2139 on: February 26, 2020, 09:33:02 AM »

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C's have the 4th best record in the NBA and the 2nd best point differential per cleaning the glass.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/league/summary

No doubt that the Celts are pretty good this year.

All I'm saying is if it was too much of a risk to trade Hayward, why not make a smaller move to get another big man better than Poirier or at least improve the bench.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2140 on: February 26, 2020, 09:34:01 AM »

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C's have the 4th best record in the NBA and the 2nd best point differential per cleaning the glass.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/league/summary

No doubt that the Celts are pretty good this year.

All I'm saying is if it was too much of a risk to trade Hayward, why not make a smaller move to get another big man better than Poirier or at least improve the bench.

We know what you are saying. You don't have to keep saying it.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2141 on: February 26, 2020, 09:34:57 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.

The point is GSW succeeded because Klay and Steph are the two greatest shooters in NBA history.
Add a Kevin Durant to the mix and the team becomes unbeatable.

So to copy the GSW model, you have to have great shooters.
The Celtics are not yet an elite 3pt shooting team.
That's why it's more important for the Celts to have balance.

This team does have pretty good balance.  It's rather apparent.   You're not going to be elite in every aspect of the game.   It's just not feasible.

That's your opinion.

If the Celts are #1 in the east and I'm still criticizing the Celts, that means something's wrong with me.

But right now the Celts are not on the same level as the Bucks and maybe just as good as a Toronto team without Kawhi.

Right now Celts are winning games because Jayson Tatum is playing like a 1st tier NBA superstar.

Also, a lot of Celtic fans here are complaining about how weak the Celtic bench is.
That alone is proof that the team is not balanced.

This team is 40-17.  That's a .702 winning percentage.  That's good.  Really good. 

Fans complaining really isn't proof of anything.  It's opinion, not fact.

For the record, you're saying that the Celts bench is not a problem?

Just like the big man "issue" being that was being spewed earlier this season, I think its greatly exaggerated.

Also, come playoff time, the rotation is going to be shorter and you'll see more minutes out of the Big 4 (Kemba's health god wiling).  This should help mitigate many concerns about lack of depth.   You don't need to roll 11-12 deep come playoffs.


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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2142 on: February 26, 2020, 09:35:50 AM »

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C's have the 4th best record in the NBA and the 2nd best point differential per cleaning the glass.

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/league/summary

No doubt that the Celts are pretty good this year.

All I'm saying is if it was too much of a risk to trade Hayward, why not make a smaller move to get another big man better than Poirier or at least improve the bench.

We know what you are saying. You don't have to keep saying it.

You can check the posts of this thread the last 2 days and you'll see I never brought up the big man issue.

It was the other posters who brought it up.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2143 on: February 26, 2020, 09:38:51 AM »

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Kemba being out is good for the young guys.

Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots.

I think it's best if the Celts preserve Kemba for the playoffs.
Such as?

Kemba has the tendency to launch 3-pointers, in crunch time, when the Celts really don't need it.

I've also noticed that Kemba makes more 3-pointers early in the qtr. than late in the qtr.

He's shooting 44% from 3pt in crunch time this year, which is higher than his season average of 39% and equal to what he shoots from 3pt in the 4th quarter overall.

https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160854

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 26-foot three point pullup jump shot   94 - 90

With the Celts leading by 4, in regulation, why shoot a 3?
Maybe it's the decision making.

That shot and miss led to a Clipper fast break that cut the Celtic lead to 2 points with 1:37 left in the 4th.

Celts ended up losing that game in OT.

Kemba has this knack of going for "all in" shots in crunch time.

I think Kemba needs to learn that he's with the Celtics already, not the Hornets.
So, according to you: "Some of the Celtic losses, especially late in the 4th, is due to Kemba's penchant for taking "all in" shots." and your one example is from November 20th, 41 games ago, half a season back! And it's untrue as Kemba hits threes at an elite level late in close games!

Here's another example.
https://www.espn.com.au/nba/playbyplay?gameId=401160999

1:44      Kemba Walker misses 27-foot three point pullup jump shot   109 - 111

Brogdon just hit 2 FTs to give the Pacers a 2-point lead with 1:59 remaining.

Kemba tried to go all in with a 3-pointer.

When Kemba missed, Justin Holiday makes a 3-pointer at the other end to give the Pacers a 5-point lead.

Game over for the Celts.

Like I said, it's not that we don't want Kemba to shoot, just don't go "all in" all the time.
So your only other example is from 34 games ago? Can you see how your complaint is irrelevant?

I can post more examples if you want.

We can also double check using my League Pass.

The complaint is just to become better with the decision making in crunch time.

I think there's nothing wrong with asking for Kemba to make better decisions in crunch time.

Kemba's not used to winning because he's been with Charlotte most of his career.
With Boston, Kemba has lots of options because he's surrounded by very good players.
That's why he doesn't need to have that "all in" mentality in crunch time.

Kemba just needs to learn to trust his teammates.
He doesn't need to do it all by himself.


This is an odd take. It's the first time I've ever heard Kemba be accused of trying to do it all himself while playing for the Celtics. He's actually been very selfless this year, he was feeding JT when JT was hot. Even at the end of the game. When JB is hot he feeds the ball to JB.

Sometimes we can second guess players too much. Sometimes it's the right shot but he just missed.
TP...could not agree more. Kemba in the last 5 minutes of games in close games hits 3s at an elite rate but somehow is getting criticized for the ones he misses?!?!?! The whole take makes very little sense to me and, IMO, is just not based in reality. Kemba, late in games has been beyond clutch, with his scoring, defense and playmaking...again, just my opinion.

This people who are so stuck with yesterday's basketball and hasnt accepted that the game has evolved are in for a shock. If you are skilled enough to shoot at that high rate, by all means shoot.

If we had the same narrowmindedness governing GSW, Steph and Klay would average way less points. If these people are appalelrd with these few Kemba threes, I wonder how would they feel if they were a fan ofthe Warriors in their championship years?

Theyd probably be leading some campaign against Draymond and say the dubs has to trade iguodala for the likes of Drummond, WCS, Jacob Poetl etc!

If yesterday's basketball is obsolete, why do teams still prefer bigs like Ayton with the #1 pick?
Why didn't Phoenix pick Luka #1?


Because these GMs are godawful. Its the reason why they were picking that high in the first place. Years and years of bad drafting and bad management.

The top 2 picks in that draft class are bigs. There were 2 all-stars from that draft class. Neither of them were bigs. You gonna use that to bolster your argument lol.

You mentioned Anthony Davis. We faced them the last game, he shot an awful FG from the field being guarded by 6 foot 6 Jaylen Brown mostly and Theis who you usually malign. The easiest points he got? From the 3 point line. Something the likes of your WCS, Drummond, Poetl cannot do. Anthony Davis is also one of the best defenders in the league if you go with Bigs. He was nowhere near stopping Tatum. What more can slower than Molasses guys like WCS, Drummond, Poetl do in that situation? The Spurs boast of a huge frontline with Aldridge and your Poetl. Are they in the playoffs? Drummond who you value so much got traded for a bag of peanuts. The same Drummond who regularly got killed by Joel Embiid.

If they're so awful then why are you here on this forum and the GMs are out there running an an NBA team?

Because I am not a GM. And neither are you.

You dont have to be a GM to know that they are awful. Just look at their track record. Absolutely hilarious that you use these GMs as an example to bolster your claim and defend them while at the same time disagree with a top tier GM like Ainge is building.

If in your own world things done by guys like Divac are examples of what a GM should do, then be my guest. Useless trying to argue with someone who thinks like that.  :laugh: ::) ::) ::)

What is Ainge building?

How many championships did the Celts win after the Big 3 era ended?

Ainge drafting a lot of guards and wings?

I'm a Danny Ainge fan, but Ainge is not perfect.

Like I said, let's wait a couple of months and see if Ainge not making any moves at the trade deadline was the right move.

Also, if small ball is so great then why are the #1 teams in the east and west are big teams?

The Lakers have AD, Howard, and McGee.

Milwaukee has the Lopez brothers, Ilyasova, and Giannis.

If small ball is so great then Boston should be #1 in the east and Houston should be #1 in the west.

I'm not a purist, I'm not asking for a superstar big man.
All I was asking for was an upgrade over Theis.
But since Ainge didn't make a move, in a couple of months we'll know if Ainge made the right move.

Ainge admitted that he made a mistake by not making a move at the trade deadline last season.
I hope he doesn't have to say that again after a few months.

This reeks of winning bias lol, using only W/L record and volatile playoff results to judge the quality of a team is outdated and archaic.

The point is GSW succeeded because Klay and Steph are the two greatest shooters in NBA history.
Add a Kevin Durant to the mix and the team becomes unbeatable.

So to copy the GSW model, you have to have great shooters.
The Celtics are not yet an elite 3pt shooting team.
That's why it's more important for the Celts to have balance.

This team does have pretty good balance.  It's rather apparent.   You're not going to be elite in every aspect of the game.   It's just not feasible.

That's your opinion.

If the Celts are #1 in the east and I'm still criticizing the Celts, that means something's wrong with me.

But right now the Celts are not on the same level as the Bucks and maybe just as good as a Toronto team without Kawhi.

Right now Celts are winning games because Jayson Tatum is playing like a 1st tier NBA superstar.

Also, a lot of Celtic fans here are complaining about how weak the Celtic bench is.
That alone is proof that the team is not balanced.

This team is 40-17.  That's a .702 winning percentage.  That's good.  Really good. 

Fans complaining really isn't proof of anything.  It's opinion, not fact.

For the record, you're saying that the Celts bench is not a problem?

Just like the big man "issue" being that was being spewed earlier this season, I think its greatly exaggerated.

Also, come playoff time, the rotation is going to be shorter and you'll see more minutes out of the Big 4 (Kemba's health god wiling).  This should help mitigate many concerns about lack of depth.   You don't need to roll 11-12 deep come playoffs.

I totally agree.

For me, the big man issue was more of a concern.

The bench is not really a problem because like what you said, the rotation will be shorter in the playoffs.

But here's the thing, the Celts will not be able sign all the 1st round picks this year.
So why not trade two of the picks for Bertans?

Having Bertans instead of two late 1st round picks would've been better.

Right now Theis is doing fine, he's exceeding expectations.

But what if he gets hurt?

That's why moving one of the picks and Poirier for another big would've been a good move.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #2144 on: February 26, 2020, 09:41:30 AM »

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For the record you move the goalposts like a high school debate opponent, so judging what "balance" means or what trade you're actually advocating for on a given day to you is not something I'm willing to engage with.

Especially when you've now thrown down that gauntlet that if the C's don't win a title or perform as well as the team with the MVP and the best record by far you are "right". And not just right in one argument, but with the vague "the other posters".