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Title: IT coming back early?
Post by: rollie mass on November 12, 2017, 11:27:37 AM
Videos out oh him shooting from three,jump rope and doing drills before games--He sure can still shoot-these videos are new-Not only happy for him and i'm glad he plays for another team because Isaiah going against bigs would give me a heart attack
Isaiah gifted us last year-i am a Kyrie guy now
IF only Isaiah had not kept up the Brinks truck routine, it was those flip flops that really turned me.
Next question ,how is the Cavs defense going to cover for him ?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 12, 2017, 11:30:35 AM
When we play against CLE with IT out there it's going to be an emotional time for him.

I hope we're ready.

I expect him to bring his BEST games against us.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 12, 2017, 11:38:08 AM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Denis998 on November 12, 2017, 11:40:38 AM
makes it look like the Cavs exaggerated all of IT's issues to get an extra asset from the trade
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 12, 2017, 11:42:05 AM
makes it look like the Cavs exaggerated all of IT's issues to get an extra asset from the trade

Yeah, I stated this like 10x too.  There was never an indication otherwise, and made the most sense.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Eddie20 on November 12, 2017, 11:45:18 AM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

Legit question for you considering your firm anti-Kyrie stance....


Would you rather the Celtics beat the Cavs in the playoffs and Irving absolutely annihilates the Cavs or the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs and Thomas has an epic series, while Irving struggles badly?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Phantom255x on November 12, 2017, 12:22:16 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

Legit question for you considering your firm anti-Kyrie stance....


Would you rather the Celtics beat the Cavs in the playoffs and Irving absolutely annihilates the Cavs or the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs and Thomas has an epic series, while Irving struggles badly?

I think a month ago someone asked him this similar question and he chose the Cavs winning lol.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Androslav on November 12, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
makes it look like the Cavs exaggerated all of IT's issues to get an extra asset from the trade
Very possible, but lets see the IT as a on-court product first before making the call.
Also this newspapers job of sending good-vibes every now and then, doesn't help him jump higher or recover faster. It just seems like LeBron's media is trying not to lose too many fans/bandwagoner's and faith so early in the season, since as they play like...sh..Lebrons hairline.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Dino Pitino on November 12, 2017, 01:02:51 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

Legit question for you considering your firm anti-Kyrie stance....


Would you rather the Celtics beat the Cavs in the playoffs and Irving absolutely annihilates the Cavs or the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs and Thomas has an epic series, while Irving struggles badly?

I think a month ago someone asked him this similar question and he chose the Cavs winning lol.

Seriously???
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: blink on November 12, 2017, 01:16:27 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

Legit question for you considering your firm anti-Kyrie stance....


Would you rather the Celtics beat the Cavs in the playoffs and Irving absolutely annihilates the Cavs or the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs and Thomas has an epic series, while Irving struggles badly?

I think a month ago someone asked him this similar question and he chose the Cavs winning lol.

That can't be true haha...he must have been trolling us.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Phantom255x on November 12, 2017, 01:32:02 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

Legit question for you considering your firm anti-Kyrie stance....


Would you rather the Celtics beat the Cavs in the playoffs and Irving absolutely annihilates the Cavs or the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs and Thomas has an epic series, while Irving struggles badly?

I think a month ago someone asked him this similar question and he chose the Cavs winning lol.

That can't be true haha...he must have been trolling us.

Lol tbh I think he's been trolling us all this time.

That being said I know for a fact he didn't like the trade (I didn't either) but he had even stronger feelings about disliking it  :P
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Rosco917 on November 12, 2017, 08:31:47 PM
With the way, IT plays the game on an 82 game schedule. it's only a matter of time before he is knocked to the floor or falls on that hip and comes up limping. As he ages it will be a continual concern.

No team will sign him to a max deal even if he comes back 100%...the odds of him being healthy long term just are not very good.

A case can be made that he avoided surgery to continue to gain leverage over the Celtic organization as he tried to maneuver a max deal. He knew the hip as damaged, and wanted to get it operated on with a max deal to rest his head on. That's why he continued to play on it injured. 


Taking the symbolism and emotion out of the equation, the truth is we're much better set for the future with Irving.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Fafnir on November 12, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
Is he running yet?

I'm skeptical he's going to return early till we hear reports of him running up and down the court.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 12, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

Legit question for you considering your firm anti-Kyrie stance....


Would you rather the Celtics beat the Cavs in the playoffs and Irving absolutely annihilates the Cavs or the Cavs beat the Celtics in the playoffs and Thomas has an epic series, while Irving struggles badly?

Would it be that crazy to choose the latter? I don't think we have nearly enough to get past GSW this season anyway, but suspect we will be challenging for the Finals as soon as next season and for several years to come.  So in that scenario, every one wins in my book.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: celticsclay on November 12, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
His hip is spaghetti. He has always been able to shoot
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 12, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
His hip is spaghetti. He has always been able to shoot

Your hip is spaghetti, cclay.  I'm waiting on big Mo's opinion here before jumping to any conclusions.  He has more inside information from CLE than any of us.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: celticsclay on November 12, 2017, 09:15:16 PM
His hip is spaghetti. He has always been able to shoot

Your hip is spaghetti, cclay.  I'm waiting on big Mo's opinion here before jumping to any conclusions.  He has more inside information from CLE than any of us.

Lol. Tp my friend for making me chuckle. I can't wait to hear big mo's opinion either
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Roy H. on November 12, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
Is he running yet?

I'm skeptical he's going to return early till we hear reports of him running up and down the court.

He’s doing full court workouts, is driving the ball, and is doing some full court individual defense.  That’s against an assistant coach, rather than NBA players, but it’s progress.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Rosco917 on November 12, 2017, 09:52:58 PM
Sometimes I wonder exactly what happened with the firing of a long time Celtic medical staff. Nothing of substance was ever released to the public.

A case can be made that the reason IT never complained about his hip was to get through the 2016-17 season and playoffs relatively healthy, and without examination and x-raying of the hip. Then rest for the summer and begin his well-advertised petition for a Max contract this opening 2017-18 season, hoping for an early signing.

Naturally never letting the Celtics know about the severity of the hip. Not at least until he had a Max contract to rest his head on, then letting the chips fall where they may. IT never dreamed Danny would trade him, exposing the severity of his hip to the national media.

I wonder just why the doctors were both fired. Could it be they knew IT had a severe hip problem and failed to expose it to management at the behest of Thomas?   

Removing all the symbolism, and emotion, the Celtics are much better set for the future with the younger, and better defender Kyrie.
     
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: jdz101 on November 12, 2017, 10:01:26 PM
No disrespect to IT when I say this but there is going to be some serious gamesmanship from nba bigs when he comes back. They will be bodying him with some hard fouks when he goes to the rim. They will test out that hip.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: saltlover on November 12, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
Sometimes I wonder exactly what happened with the firing of a long time Celtic medical staff. Nothing of substance was ever released to the public.

A case can be made that the reason IT never complained about his hip was to get through the 2016-17 season and playoffs relatively healthy, and without examination and x-raying of the hip. Then rest for the summer and begin his well-advertised petition for a Max contract this opening 2017-18 season, hoping for an early signing.

Naturally never letting the Celtics know about the severity of the hip. Not at least until he had a Max contract to rest his head on, then letting the chips fall where they may. IT never dreamed Danny would trade him, exposing the severity of his hip to the national media.

I wonder just why the doctors were both fired. Could it be they knew IT had a severe hip problem and failed to expose it to management at the behest of Thomas?   

Removing all the symbolism, and emotion, the Celtics are much better set for the future with the younger, and better defender Kyrie.
     

I think everyone knew what IT was playing through, but tried to keep it under wraps, because you don’t want your opponents to know your weaknesses.  It wouldn’t remotely surprise me if one reason the Celtics stood pat at the deadline last year is that they knew IT’s hip was a ticking time bomb and unlikely to make it through the postseason.

Now it’s possible that the Celtics medical/training staff was let go because of the injury, but I think if there was any one injury reason it was more to do with the handling of Avery Bradley. But more I think it was several years’ worth of sub-par performance.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Roy H. on November 12, 2017, 10:03:58 PM
Sometimes I wonder exactly what happened with the firing of a long time Celtic medical staff. Nothing of substance was ever released to the public.

A case can be made that the reason IT never complained about his hip was to get through the 2016-17 season and playoffs relatively healthy, and without examination and x-raying of the hip. Then rest for the summer and begin his well-advertised petition for a Max contract this opening 2017-18 season, hoping for an early signing.

Naturally never letting the Celtics know about the severity of the hip. Not at least until he had a Max contract to rest his head on, then letting the chips fall where they may. IT never dreamed Danny would trade him, exposing the severity of his hip to the national media.

I wonder just why the doctors were both fired. Could it be they knew IT had a severe hip problem and failed to expose it to management at the behest of Thomas?   

Removing all the symbolism, and emotion, the Celtics are much better set for the future with the younger, and better defender Kyrie.
     

The Celtics knew he was playing on an injured hip. What makes you think they didn’t?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: DooVoo on November 13, 2017, 08:04:36 AM
The time table for IT to return is January and he is unlikely to see the court before then. This is a very serious injury and without surgery it is not going to get better. The Cavs just hope the rehab gets him through the season and playoffs before his hip really gives out.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on November 13, 2017, 03:54:05 PM
(https://i1.wp.com/www.comicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/hqdefault-2.jpg?resize=480%2C360)

I thought IT only returned every 27 years?
(Sorry couldn't help myself)
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 13, 2017, 04:15:37 PM
He rushes it and his career may be over.   Still you have to respect the guy because his team is hurting without him.   That being said, I hate the CAVs a little less than the Lakers or whatever team LeBron is on.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Surferdad on November 13, 2017, 04:36:51 PM
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Next question ,how is the Cavs defense going to cover for him ?

Dunno, they can't even cover for themselves!   ;D
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 13, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
guy is a warrior.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: kozlodoev on November 13, 2017, 04:54:07 PM
Sometimes I wonder exactly what happened with the firing of a long time Celtic medical staff. Nothing of substance was ever released to the public.

A case can be made that the reason IT never complained about his hip was to get through the 2016-17 season and playoffs relatively healthy, and without examination and x-raying of the hip. Then rest for the summer and begin his well-advertised petition for a Max contract this opening 2017-18 season, hoping for an early signing.

Naturally never letting the Celtics know about the severity of the hip. Not at least until he had a Max contract to rest his head on, then letting the chips fall where they may. IT never dreamed Danny would trade him, exposing the severity of his hip to the national media.

I wonder just why the doctors were both fired. Could it be they knew IT had a severe hip problem and failed to expose it to management at the behest of Thomas?   

Removing all the symbolism, and emotion, the Celtics are much better set for the future with the younger, and better defender Kyrie.
     

The Celtics knew he was playing on an injured hip. What makes you think they didn’t?
He was first diagnosed with a groin injury. The hip talk wasn't until much later, and it's unclear when exactly it was identified as a torn labrum.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Roy H. on November 13, 2017, 05:16:18 PM
Sometimes I wonder exactly what happened with the firing of a long time Celtic medical staff. Nothing of substance was ever released to the public.

A case can be made that the reason IT never complained about his hip was to get through the 2016-17 season and playoffs relatively healthy, and without examination and x-raying of the hip. Then rest for the summer and begin his well-advertised petition for a Max contract this opening 2017-18 season, hoping for an early signing.

Naturally never letting the Celtics know about the severity of the hip. Not at least until he had a Max contract to rest his head on, then letting the chips fall where they may. IT never dreamed Danny would trade him, exposing the severity of his hip to the national media.

I wonder just why the doctors were both fired. Could it be they knew IT had a severe hip problem and failed to expose it to management at the behest of Thomas?   

Removing all the symbolism, and emotion, the Celtics are much better set for the future with the younger, and better defender Kyrie.
     

The Celtics knew he was playing on an injured hip. What makes you think they didn’t?
He was first diagnosed with a groin injury. The hip talk wasn't until much later, and it's unclear when exactly it was identified as a torn labrum.

Unclear to fans, perhaps.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: timpiker on November 13, 2017, 06:19:05 PM
Are fans on this forum supposed to be rooting for the C's or for IT?  You can say I root for IT when he's not playing against the C's but if you're rooting for IT and the Cavs to go to The Finals, what's that say about you as a C's fan?  I haven't given up on this year by any means.  Sorry Hayward is likely out for the year but I still have high hopes it'll be the C's vs. the Warriors in the finals.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on November 13, 2017, 06:21:14 PM
Whenever he comes back I wish him the very BEST.

We wouldn't be where we are at NOW if it wasn't for him.

Some will disagree, but I lump him into KG/PP trade as far as the END result making the team overall BETTER.

Thank you, IT, for the memories and hope you continue to get well and come back and tear the league up.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Phantom255x on November 13, 2017, 06:21:22 PM
He's probably coming back after Christmas, which is about when he was expected to come back anyways.

I think Isaiah will immensely help Cleveland overall (esp. with scoring) but I doubt he's going to return to that 25+ PPG type scorer he was here in Boston.

But unless Isaiah learned how to play defense, CLE in most games will probably have to score 120+ to win games vs. good teams (and so far their success rate at that is pretty low).
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: azzenfrost on November 13, 2017, 08:18:56 PM
He doesn't need to play defense. They don't care in Cleveland.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: moiso on November 13, 2017, 09:01:35 PM
Whenever he comes back I wish him the very BEST.

We wouldn't be where we are at NOW if it wasn't for him.

Some will disagree, but I lump him into KG/PP trade as far as the END result making the team overall BETTER.

Thank you, IT, for the memories and hope you continue to get well and come back and tear the league up.
Yeah, if you think about it we might not have Horford, Hayward, or Irving if we never had Isaiah.  He recruited Horford and Hayward, and was traded for Irving.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: OldSchoolDude on November 13, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
I agree with those who said IT played on the injured hip to try and preserve his max contract.   I think he knew that if he said something he wouldn't play and his biggest knock was his playoff play.   He played hurt last year but to me it really didn't look any different than the two previous post seasons when he wasn't hurt and the bigger Atlanta and Cleveland guards shot over him at will.    When the defense trapped him he was useless.  He wasn't tall enough to see an open player for the pass, so all he could do was throw the ball up and hope for a foul or to luck it in, or both.
 
To get the max IT needed to win in the post season.  Regular season stats are great but if IT can't close the deal in the post season then there is no reason to Max him.  I believe he knew deep down that Danny didn't want to give him the money and thats why he talked it up so much to try and get some fan and media pressure on Danny to pay him. 

I think the team doctors were fired because they either knew about the injury and hushed it up, which I doubt, or they didn't know how bad it was.   Remember at first it was a groin injury so it looks like IT lied to them and they didn't catch on right away.  I also think that they wanted him to have surgery right away but he didn't want to.  IT found his own doctor who recommended rest.

There is not a lot of good examples of players coming back the same from that type of surgery.  Look at these examples:

(http://instreetclothes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Labrum-chart.png)

So only Aldridge returned to form, but then I would say that even he may have lost a step.  IT's game is based on speed, he can't afford to loose a step.   If he is just a little bit slower he will be useless against most of guards that he used to blow by.  I think IT was legitimately afraid of surgery because of the bad track record.  I don't know of any examples of people coming back just by rest and rehab alone, so we'll see how it turns out for him, but I personally don't think he'll ever have another season like last years.     
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 13, 2017, 11:34:10 PM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year. 
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: wayupnorth on November 13, 2017, 11:49:09 PM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 13, 2017, 11:54:20 PM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.

I hope for the best this year with our super talented youth.  But realistically, I think they're a year away from reaching the Finals.  It'd be cool to see them make it, but IT has earned it and I'd enjoy seeing him on that stage. 

If I expressly stated that I'd prefer to see CLE make the Finals over BOS (because of IT), though, I don't see why that would require anyone's benefit of the doubt.  The notion is actually extremely odd to me.  I mean, no single player has positive influenced our franchise more than IT the last two years, and his contributions here have been largely understated.

Hope that helps clarify the confusion.  In a nutshell... "The Little Guy!"
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: wayupnorth on November 14, 2017, 12:44:14 AM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.

I hope for the best this year with our super talented youth.  But realistically, I think they're a year away from reaching the Finals.  It'd be cool to see them make it, but IT has earned it and I'd enjoy seeing him on that stage. 

If I expressly stated that I'd prefer to see CLE make the Finals over BOS (because of IT), though, I don't see why that would require anyone's benefit of the doubt.  The notion is actually extremely odd to me.  I mean, no single player has positive influenced our franchise more than IT the last two years, and his contributions here have been largely understated.

Hope that helps clarify the confusion.  In a nutshell... "The Little Guy!"

Well, if a Celtics fan expressly stated they would rather see a rival team make it to the finals over us, I wouldn't consider that person a huge Celtics fan, or much of a Celtics fan at all.

I guess it just sounds to me like you would rather see the Cavs make it to the finals than the Celtics, and that is something I have literally never heard any other fan say about their team, no matter how much they like a former player.

I personally wish IT the absolute best personally and professionally, unless he is playing against us, in which case he can play as poorly as he likes.

Again though, some of your takes are just something else.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 14, 2017, 12:47:00 AM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.

I hope for the best this year with our super talented youth.  But realistically, I think they're a year away from reaching the Finals.  It'd be cool to see them make it, but IT has earned it and I'd enjoy seeing him on that stage. 

If I expressly stated that I'd prefer to see CLE make the Finals over BOS (because of IT), though, I don't see why that would require anyone's benefit of the doubt.  The notion is actually extremely odd to me.  I mean, no single player has positive influenced our franchise more than IT the last two years, and his contributions here have been largely understated.

Hope that helps clarify the confusion.  In a nutshell... "The Little Guy!"

Well, if a Celtics fan expressly stated they would rather see a rival team make it to the finals over us, I wouldn't consider that person a huge Celtics fan, or much of a Celtics fan at all.

I guess it just sounds to me like you would rather see the Cavs make it to the finals than the Celtics, and that is something I have literally never heard any other fan say about their team, no matter how much they like a former player.

I personally wish IT the absolute best personally and professionally, unless he is playing against us, in which case he can play as poorly as he likes.

Again though, some of your takes are just something else.

You do make an interesting point.  I guess I would liken the scenario you described to an individual overvaluing a new 'star' that recently forced his way to your team from their primary rival.   I'd possibly question the substance behind his/her investment in the team, such as whether he/she watch the games, what aspects are enjoyable to him/her, etc.  Sports fandom is far from rational, as some of our most rational members have pointed out, so I imagine there are a lot of individual preferences out there.  And that's what makes it enjoyable to so many.     
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: wayupnorth on November 14, 2017, 01:03:47 AM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.

I hope for the best this year with our super talented youth.  But realistically, I think they're a year away from reaching the Finals.  It'd be cool to see them make it, but IT has earned it and I'd enjoy seeing him on that stage. 

If I expressly stated that I'd prefer to see CLE make the Finals over BOS (because of IT), though, I don't see why that would require anyone's benefit of the doubt.  The notion is actually extremely odd to me.  I mean, no single player has positive influenced our franchise more than IT the last two years, and his contributions here have been largely understated.

Hope that helps clarify the confusion.  In a nutshell... "The Little Guy!"

Well, if a Celtics fan expressly stated they would rather see a rival team make it to the finals over us, I wouldn't consider that person a huge Celtics fan, or much of a Celtics fan at all.

I guess it just sounds to me like you would rather see the Cavs make it to the finals than the Celtics, and that is something I have literally never heard any other fan say about their team, no matter how much they like a former player.

I personally wish IT the absolute best personally and professionally, unless he is playing against us, in which case he can play as poorly as he likes.

Again though, some of your takes are just something else.

You do make an interesting point.  I guess I would liken the scenario you described to an individual overvaluing a new 'star' that recently forced his way to your team from their primary rival.   I'd possibly question the substance behind his/her investment in the team, such as whether he/she watch the games, what aspects are enjoyable to him/her, etc.  Sports fandom is far from rational, as some of our most rational members have pointed out, so I imagine there are a lot of individual preferences out there.  And that's what makes it enjoyable to so many.     

Lol I am invested in the Celtics doing well.

Personally, I don't believe someone could call themselves much of a Celtics fan, when they would prefer the Celtics largest rivals to beat them to make the finals.
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I can not think of any way in which actively preferring the team one is a fan of, losing, is rational.

Personally, it sounds like you are a larger fan of IT than you are the franchise of the Celtics.

That is totally fine, but be honest about it.

It truly comes across as if you wish to see the Celtics do poorly, solely because you are extremely salty about the best player on the team.

Forgive me, but I have been on many sports forums, for many years, and the only time I saw anything remotely close to this, was when Alex Smith was traded to KC and some Niners 'fans' would have rather seen Alex succeed, than the Niners succeed.

It confused me then, and confuses me now.


Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 14, 2017, 01:14:53 AM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.

I hope for the best this year with our super talented youth.  But realistically, I think they're a year away from reaching the Finals.  It'd be cool to see them make it, but IT has earned it and I'd enjoy seeing him on that stage. 

If I expressly stated that I'd prefer to see CLE make the Finals over BOS (because of IT), though, I don't see why that would require anyone's benefit of the doubt.  The notion is actually extremely odd to me.  I mean, no single player has positive influenced our franchise more than IT the last two years, and his contributions here have been largely understated.

Hope that helps clarify the confusion.  In a nutshell... "The Little Guy!"

Well, if a Celtics fan expressly stated they would rather see a rival team make it to the finals over us, I wouldn't consider that person a huge Celtics fan, or much of a Celtics fan at all.

I guess it just sounds to me like you would rather see the Cavs make it to the finals than the Celtics, and that is something I have literally never heard any other fan say about their team, no matter how much they like a former player.

I personally wish IT the absolute best personally and professionally, unless he is playing against us, in which case he can play as poorly as he likes.

Again though, some of your takes are just something else.

You do make an interesting point.  I guess I would liken the scenario you described to an individual overvaluing a new 'star' that recently forced his way to your team from their primary rival.   I'd possibly question the substance behind his/her investment in the team, such as whether he/she watch the games, what aspects are enjoyable to him/her, etc.  Sports fandom is far from rational, as some of our most rational members have pointed out, so I imagine there are a lot of individual preferences out there.  And that's what makes it enjoyable to so many.     

Lol I am invested in the Celtics doing well.

Personally, I don't believe someone could call themselves much of a Celtics fan, when they would prefer the Celtics largest rivals to beat them to make the finals.
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I can not think of any way in which actively preferring the team one is a fan of, losing, is rational.

Personally, it sounds like you are a larger fan of IT than you are the franchise of the Celtics.

That is totally fine, but be honest about it.

It truly comes across as if you wish to see the Celtics do poorly, solely because you are extremely salty about the best player on the team.

Forgive me, but I have been on many sports forums, for many years, and the only time I saw anything remotely close to this, was when Alex Smith was traded to KC and some Niners 'fans' would have rather seen Alex succeed, than the Niners succeed.

It confused me then, and confuses me now.

Well, your fandar is off -- I like the Celtics considerably more than IT.  But let's make sure IT's imprint on the franchise is respect, while Kyrie's is valued at least somewhat objectively.

My perplexity about fans that have welcomed (and overvalued) Kyrie with open arms seems like it's highly related to yours, we're just talked at a team level vs. an individual player (that forced himself off the same team) level.. 

I personally miss having several of the gritty Boston athletes in our back yard, including Rodney Harrison, Tedy Bruschi, Bobby Orr, Larry Bird, the Perkins/Rondo duo.  Who are you partial to, past or present? Or do individual players not matter? 

I feel like we may be getting somewhere.  If you're interested, hit me up on MySpace: Tarheelsxxiii. 
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: iadera on November 14, 2017, 08:24:44 AM
His expected return is rescheduled officialy for January 2, instead December 25.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/injuries

Btw. Stephen Curry is questionable for Celtics' game on Thursday (thigh bruise ).
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: mmmmm on November 14, 2017, 12:22:27 PM
I agree with those who said IT played on the injured hip to try and preserve his max contract.   I think he knew that if he said something he wouldn't play and his biggest knock was his playoff play. 
But he DID say something.  The team knew he was hurt.
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He played hurt last year but to me it really didn't look any different than the two previous post seasons when he wasn't hurt and the bigger Atlanta and Cleveland guards shot over him at will.    When the defense trapped him he was useless.  He wasn't tall enough to see an open player for the pass, so all he could do was throw the ball up and hope for a foul or to luck it in, or both.
The ATL guards did not "shoot over him at will".  That's just totally made up fantasy.   Both Teague (40% FG%, 23.8% 3PT%) and Shroeder (41.1% FG%, 18.8% 3PT%) shot like crap in that series, including when guarded by Thomas.   

We lost that series because we had no healthy 3PT shooters other than Thomas and Jerebko (which allowed ATL to pack the paint and to double-and-triple Thomas constantly) and we had no answer to stop Horford and Milsap from owning the front-court.   But I suppose you think that Thomas was supposed to guard Milsap?   

Thomas posted the highest GmSc rating by far of any player in that series at 15.1.  The only other Celtic above 9 was Bradley, with an 11.9, but he only played one game.   Meanwhile, Millsap and Horford both posted 13.3 & 13.7 ratings and were supported by 3 other Hawks with ratings over 10.

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I think the team doctors were fired because they either knew about the injury and hushed it up, which I doubt, or they didn't know how bad it was.   Remember at first it was a groin injury so it looks like IT lied to them and they didn't catch on right away.  I also think that they wanted him to have surgery right away but he didn't want to.  IT found his own doctor who recommended rest.
Tin-foil hat fit well?
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There is not a lot of good examples of players coming back the same from that type of surgery.  Look at these examples:

(http://instreetclothes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Labrum-chart.png)

So only Aldridge returned to form, but then I would say that even he may have lost a step.  IT's game is based on speed, he can't afford to loose a step.   If he is just a little bit slower he will be useless against most of guards that he used to blow by.  I think IT was legitimately afraid of surgery because of the bad track record.  I don't know of any examples of people coming back just by rest and rehab alone, so we'll see how it turns out for him, but I personally don't think he'll ever have another season like last years.   
So much wrong with this. 

That chart only includes players with hip labrum tears who were serious enough to require surgery.   It is believed that there are several times that number of cases that did not require surgery (it is not in the player's interest to broadcast this to the world).   Thomas did not require surgery.   Until he does, those are not good comps.

Also, the reason why there are not a lot of examples of hip labrum repairs in the NBA, period, is because it isn't that common of a serious injury in the NBA.  Compare it to how often _shoulder_ labrum repairs occur, for example.   The reason the hip labrum injury is less common is because the activity of basketball doesn't normally put extreme range-of-motion stress on the hips.  Again, for comparison, the two types of injury are reversed in frequency in hockey.  Hip labrum issues are very common in the NHL while shoulder issues are not.   In hockey, normal activity often puts extreme range-of-motion stress on the hips. Some teams now routinely scan young hockey players for signs of future hip issues.   In basketball, hip labrum issues tend to only occur when there is either a chronic impingement issue or a freak accident event.    Thomas played a ton for his first 6 years (plus 3 years of college) with very little missed time, so this strongly suggests that the problem here was a freak event.

Having Karl Anthony Towns land on top of you probably qualifies as an 'unusual event'.

That's not a guarantee that Thomas won't be permanently diminished by this injury.     I don't have access to his scans and have not been privy to his rehab workouts.   His recovery will be a success or it won't regardless of our silly attempts to diagnose things through the internet.   We'll just have to wait and watch.   And it totally makes sense for Danny Ainge to not want to have to sit on that gamble -- especially when the opportunity arose to replace him with a younger, healthy replacement.

There are plenty of ways to look at the trade in a positive light using real facts.  There is no need to make up a bunch of revisionist history and twisted conspiracy theory narratives.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 14, 2017, 12:36:12 PM
We won't know for sure how serious the injury was/is until he takes the court.  CLE had every reason to use his health status as a bargaining chip, and of course, it was clear Danny was willing to overpay to get Kyrie.  After the trade, they obviously weren't going to back off their prognosis to the media. 

Hopefully he comes back in solid form, though.  He'll be asked to carry far less of the load when he does.  Heck, LeBron made James Jones and Damon Jones look good.  Hopefully we'll get to see our franchise-changer play in the Finals (finally!) this year.

This statement confuses me.

Do you mean, if the Cavs play in the Finals, you hope to see IT play, or would you legitimately like to see the Cavs make the finals over the Celtics?

This statement sure makes it sound like you would root for th Cavs over the Celtics in the ECF if it came down to it.

And I have to give you the benefit of the doubt you don't actually feel that way.

I hope for the best this year with our super talented youth.  But realistically, I think they're a year away from reaching the Finals.  It'd be cool to see them make it, but IT has earned it and I'd enjoy seeing him on that stage. 

If I expressly stated that I'd prefer to see CLE make the Finals over BOS (because of IT), though, I don't see why that would require anyone's benefit of the doubt.  The notion is actually extremely odd to me.  I mean, no single player has positive influenced our franchise more than IT the last two years, and his contributions here have been largely understated.

Hope that helps clarify the confusion.  In a nutshell... "The Little Guy!"

Well, if a Celtics fan expressly stated they would rather see a rival team make it to the finals over us, I wouldn't consider that person a huge Celtics fan, or much of a Celtics fan at all.

I guess it just sounds to me like you would rather see the Cavs make it to the finals than the Celtics, and that is something I have literally never heard any other fan say about their team, no matter how much they like a former player.

I personally wish IT the absolute best personally and professionally, unless he is playing against us, in which case he can play as poorly as he likes.

Again though, some of your takes are just something else.

You do make an interesting point.  I guess I would liken the scenario you described to an individual overvaluing a new 'star' that recently forced his way to your team from their primary rival.   I'd possibly question the substance behind his/her investment in the team, such as whether he/she watch the games, what aspects are enjoyable to him/her, etc.  Sports fandom is far from rational, as some of our most rational members have pointed out, so I imagine there are a lot of individual preferences out there.  And that's what makes it enjoyable to so many.     

Lol I am invested in the Celtics doing well.

Personally, I don't believe someone could call themselves much of a Celtics fan, when they would prefer the Celtics largest rivals to beat them to make the finals.
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I can not think of any way in which actively preferring the team one is a fan of, losing, is rational.

Personally, it sounds like you are a larger fan of IT than you are the franchise of the Celtics.

That is totally fine, but be honest about it.

It truly comes across as if you wish to see the Celtics do poorly, solely because you are extremely salty about the best player on the team.

Forgive me, but I have been on many sports forums, for many years, and the only time I saw anything remotely close to this, was when Alex Smith was traded to KC and some Niners 'fans' would have rather seen Alex succeed, than the Niners succeed.

It confused me then, and confuses me now.

Well, your fandar is off -- I like the Celtics considerably more than IT.  But let's make sure IT's imprint on the franchise is respect, while Kyrie's is valued at least somewhat objectively.

My perplexity about fans that have welcomed (and overvalued) Kyrie with open arms seems like it's highly related to yours, we're just talked at a team level vs. an individual player (that forced himself off the same team) level.. 

I personally miss having several of the gritty Boston athletes in our back yard, including Rodney Harrison, Tedy Bruschi, Bobby Orr, Larry Bird, the Perkins/Rondo duo.  Who are you partial to, past or present? Or do individual players not matter? 

I feel like we may be getting somewhere.  If you're interested, hit me up on MySpace: Tarheelsxxiii.

If any of those players were projected to play the Patriots, Bruins, Celtics, or Red Sox (teams I root for) in the pursuit of a championship, I would 100% root for my team. I would hope that Larry Bird would score 50 pts, but in a losing cause.

It sounds like you are saying that you hope that IT makes it to the finals. Both CLE and BOS cannot make the same NBA finals in the same year. I'm confused too. Are you saying that you would root for IT to make it to the finals more than Jaylen Brown, Tatum, Horford, etc.? I understand that IT is your favorite player, but do you choose players over teams?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: nickagneta on November 14, 2017, 01:40:56 PM
No questioning the fandom of others. Let's stop that
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 14, 2017, 01:49:10 PM
No questioning the fandom of others. Let's stop that

Sorry, didn't know that I was committing a violation. I've seen a decent amount of anti Celtics talk on this forum since Danny turned almost the entire team over. In 2017, where trolling has become commonplace (Stephen A Smith, Felger, the departed LarBrd) I was just trying to get people to be more clear in their messaging. I was honestly confused that he wanted IT to beat the Celtics.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: wayupnorth on November 14, 2017, 02:02:49 PM
No questioning the fandom of others. Let's stop that

I completely agree with and understand this rule.

That said, isn't someone saying they would rather have another team beat us to the finals, not very fan like?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Roy H. on November 14, 2017, 02:07:27 PM
No questioning the fandom of others. Let's stop that

I completely agree with and understand this rule.

That said, isn't someone saying they would rather have another team beat us to the finals, not very fan like?

I’m not sure you understand the rule.

nick was pretty clear.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 14, 2017, 02:17:11 PM
While others are rooting for the Cavaliers, I think that is their right. I guess the NBA and fandom is changing. It is conceivable to root for both teams in a matchup. This actually makes watching the game more enjoyable- its a win/win. With the emergence of fantasy sports, I know that more people are watching games that they don't have a stake in.

I actually need to catch myself often to realize that basketball is just entertainment. I think fans often care more than players about the outcome of a game/season.

Whatever team you root for is cool, and all should be welcome here. I shouldn't be calling people out if they don't share my same thoughts.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 14, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
Lebron

and his

"mini me ".     mini bron


Boss .....Da Plane Da Plane  ;)
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Roy H. on November 14, 2017, 02:33:17 PM
Until IT says something bad about the fans or his former teammates, I’ll root for him.

I hope he drops 75 points against us in Game 7 of the ECF, including buzzer beaters that send the game into OT, 2OT, and 3OT.  I hope he gets a quintuple double, in what is regarded as the best playoff performance of all time. I hope the league then re-opens the CBA just to allow IT to make $50 million per year.

But, I want all of that to come in a losing effort.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 14, 2017, 02:50:05 PM
Until IT says something bad about the fans or his former teammates, I’ll root for him.

I hope he drops 75 points against us in Game 7 of the ECF, including buzzer beaters that send the game into OT, 2OT, and 3OT.  I hope he gets a quintuple double, in what is regarded as the best playoff performance of all time. I hope the league then re-opens the CBA just to allow IT to make $50 million per year.

But, I want all of that to come in a losing effort.

I would venture to say that 90% of Celtics fans feel the same way.

What is not to love about IT? Guy is a frickin warrior that leaves it all out there. I have to think that last year was the most impressive season that a Celtics player has had without winning the MVP.

The cold hard truth is that Danny made a better decision to pass on paying him at the top of the market. Often, the business side makes the entertainment side less desirable. This was about as difficult as trading KG and Pierce to BKN. Both decisions made sense for the future, but both were hard to swallow.

As for when he comes back- I'd give him time if I were CLE. They can make a trade or two to get better and improve their playoff situation. I don't imagine that they will fall out of the top 5 in the soft Eastern Conference. IT is a beast and could be very dangerous in a playoff run with Lebron.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: mainevent on November 14, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
Videos out oh him shooting from three,jump rope and doing drills before games--He sure can still shoot-these videos are new-Not only happy for him and i'm glad he plays for another team because Isaiah going against bigs would give me a heart attack
Isaiah gifted us last year-i am a Kyrie guy now
IF only Isaiah had not kept up the Brinks truck routine, it was those flip flops that really turned me.
Next question ,how is the Cavs defense going to cover for him ?

Funny, the flip flops is what turned me as well.  His ego became way bigger than he was, but I somewhat understand it.  The first time in his NBA career he was 'the man'.  A team was HIS.  He was finally being noticed as a legit threat.  He hung out with Floyd and his posse, got praises from Allen Iverson. Brad's system built around him unleashed the beast within (see J. Crawford). His whole 'PAY ME' or else bravado began to be a little overwhelming. Now he kinda irks me to be honest.  Watching him at the Cavs games are annoying. He's still hurt (emotionally)...I get it. In that regards I do feel for him, but I'm a CELTICS fan first and if you're not with us (whether it was your choice or not) you're against us!

I also find it amusing that NOW IT is the Cavs Savior. Last season when he was out for the ECF's all I heard the media spouting was "he wouldn't have made that much of a difference anyway...after all he's only 5'9" LOL. It's going to be interesting to see how he does this season when he doesn't have a system built for him to be 'the man'
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: ederson on November 14, 2017, 03:00:58 PM
Exactly... IT is a very lovable guy I doubt anyone can say anything bad about him and the way he became an NBA all star after barely getting drafted should be an example to every college player. He deserves to get payed next summer and I really hope he can return from the injury as good as his was before

But at the end of the day I (we) support the Celtics team. Noone can be more important than the team the it's success
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: The Oracle on November 14, 2017, 03:33:41 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: celticsclay on November 14, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: The Oracle on November 14, 2017, 03:44:32 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
He wasn't just sitting there.  He was jumping up in the air and acting/moving like he wasn't even injured.  It may very well be another 4-6 weeks to get back in game shape who knows, but the way he was moving was very encouraging for a return sooner than originally thought. 
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: celticsclay on November 14, 2017, 04:05:46 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
He wasn't just sitting there.  He was jumping up in the air and acting/moving like he wasn't even injured.  It may very well be another 4-6 weeks to get back in game shape who knows, but the way he was moving was very encouraging for a return sooner than originally thought.

Anyone on this forum could probably jump around on the bench and probably none of us are going to be running around on the floor. Obviously it is a better sign than him being in a wheel chair, but it seems like a really strange reason to believe he is any closer or further to returning.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: mmmmm on November 14, 2017, 05:31:51 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
He wasn't just sitting there.  He was jumping up in the air and acting/moving like he wasn't even injured.  It may very well be another 4-6 weeks to get back in game shape who knows, but the way he was moving was very encouraging for a return sooner than originally thought.

Anyone on this forum could probably jump around on the bench and probably none of us are going to be running around on the floor. Obviously it is a better sign than him being in a wheel chair, but it seems like a really strange reason to believe he is any closer or further to returning.

Wow.  Or... how about we just accept that The Oracle was just trying to say the guy looked healthier than he expected?   I don't think he offered it up as a full-scan physical examination.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: celticsclay on November 14, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
He wasn't just sitting there.  He was jumping up in the air and acting/moving like he wasn't even injured.  It may very well be another 4-6 weeks to get back in game shape who knows, but the way he was moving was very encouraging for a return sooner than originally thought.

Anyone on this forum could probably jump around on the bench and probably none of us are going to be running around on the floor. Obviously it is a better sign than him being in a wheel chair, but it seems like a really strange reason to believe he is any closer or further to returning.

Wow.  Or... how about we just accept that The Oracle was just trying to say the guy looked healthier than he expected?   I don't think he offered it up as a full-scan physical examination.

I honestly wasn't trying to be rude to Oracle (and apologies to him and you also if it came off that way). I have been just discussing basketball on forums for about 20 years and it was one of the first times I heard somebody say something like "that injured guy was really celebrating on the bench last night I bet he is not really that injured now and will be back soon." I found it to be a pretty humorous statement.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: The Oracle on November 14, 2017, 06:26:30 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
He wasn't just sitting there.  He was jumping up in the air and acting/moving like he wasn't even injured.  It may very well be another 4-6 weeks to get back in game shape who knows, but the way he was moving was very encouraging for a return sooner than originally thought.

Anyone on this forum could probably jump around on the bench and probably none of us are going to be running around on the floor. Obviously it is a better sign than him being in a wheel chair, but it seems like a really strange reason to believe he is any closer or further to returning.

Wow.  Or... how about we just accept that The Oracle was just trying to say the guy looked healthier than he expected?   I don't think he offered it up as a full-scan physical examination.

I honestly wasn't trying to be rude to Oracle (and apologies to him and you also if it came off that way). I have been just discussing basketball on forums for about 20 years and it was one of the first times I heard somebody say something like "that injured guy was really celebrating on the bench last night I bet he is not really that injured now and will be back soon." I found it to be a pretty humorous statement.
For a guy that was by all reports struggling with some of his rehab in a swimming pool just a short time ago to now be jumping around like that???  Both the Cavs and I.T. are comfortable enough with his progress to allow for him to be acting in such a manner?  How do you not see that as at least a somewhat positive sign as to how his rehab is going and possible earlier than expected return?  Do you not want his "spaghetti hip" to heal?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: CelticsElite on November 14, 2017, 06:27:48 PM
“Thomas could make things worse, if that’s even possible. At 5-foot-9, he’s one of the worst defensive guards in the NBA. The Celtics did everything they could to hide him on defense, and hip surgery could make him less mobile than he was last season. Thomas and Love played on the same AAU team in high school, but they will be tough to play together in the NBA. A lineup with Thomas at the 1 and Love at the 5 could be historically bad on defense.”
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: celticsclay on November 14, 2017, 06:39:44 PM
I.T. looked like he was moving very well last night bouncing around cheering on his teammates.  He even picked up a technical foul from the bench.  I can't believe it will be to much longer before he returns.

How close do you think cheering on an NBA bench and playing NBA Basketball are?
He wasn't just sitting there.  He was jumping up in the air and acting/moving like he wasn't even injured.  It may very well be another 4-6 weeks to get back in game shape who knows, but the way he was moving was very encouraging for a return sooner than originally thought.

Anyone on this forum could probably jump around on the bench and probably none of us are going to be running around on the floor. Obviously it is a better sign than him being in a wheel chair, but it seems like a really strange reason to believe he is any closer or further to returning.

Wow.  Or... how about we just accept that The Oracle was just trying to say the guy looked healthier than he expected?   I don't think he offered it up as a full-scan physical examination.

I honestly wasn't trying to be rude to Oracle (and apologies to him and you also if it came off that way). I have been just discussing basketball on forums for about 20 years and it was one of the first times I heard somebody say something like "that injured guy was really celebrating on the bench last night I bet he is not really that injured now and will be back soon." I found it to be a pretty humorous statement.
For a guy that was by all reports struggling with some of his rehab in a swimming pool just a short time ago to now be jumping around like that???  Both the Cavs and I.T. are comfortable enough with his progress to allow for him to be acting in such a manner?  How do you not see that as at least a somewhat positive sign as to how his rehab is going and possible earlier than expected return?  Do you not want his "spaghetti hip" to heal?

I honestly really like IT a lot. It seems like he is a pretty good overall and he really embraced the city of Boston. My biggest fear with him would be that he has/is getting bad advice regarding his injury because he wants to get that massive paycheck after being underpaid his whole career. At some point i hope we find out what really happened with his injury and if there was a connection to our medical staff getting fired. But to answer your question, I certainly want it to heal for him. I just hope he doesn't rush back and ruin his career.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Tr1boy on November 14, 2017, 06:47:10 PM
It doesn't matter

on a random note, anybody else remember this? lol

gary washburn ✔@GwashburnGlobe
Mexican reporter asked Isaiah Thomas about NBA heydays of1980s when his father Isiah played. Thomas politely answered the question #Celtics
4:08 PM - Dec 2, 2015 · Oakland, CA
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 14, 2017, 07:01:59 PM
I sincerely hope, for his sake, that he didn't play through injury for the better of the franchise.  Certainly possible that he was knowingly playing for his payday, too.  We won't know.  But I imagine his next contract is going to be much less than he had hoped. 

CLE could still be dangerous with him.  LeBron isn't going to let his team fall in the playoffs without a serious fight.  And they honestly have no reason to care about their seeding, just like the past several seasons.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: rochrist on November 14, 2017, 07:18:29 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

That will be tough seeing how they won't BE in the finals.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 14, 2017, 07:22:55 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

That will be tough seeing how they won't BE in the finals.

With LeBron, it's hard to believe that.  Hope that's not the case.  But if BOS made the Finals without Hayward, I'd imagine they will be legitimate contenders the following season.  Esp if GSW can't find a way to keep that dynasty together. 
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: rochrist on November 14, 2017, 07:33:26 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

That will be tough seeing how they won't BE in the finals.

With LeBron, it's hard to believe that.  Hope that's not the case.  But if BOS made the Finals without Hayward, I'd imagine they will be legitimate contenders the following season.  Esp if GSW can't find a way to keep that dynasty together.
Despite rumors to the contrary, it takes more than one player. Plus, at the rate they're having to use LeBron this year, he'll be dead by March.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on November 14, 2017, 07:53:18 PM
I look forward to seeing The Little Guy prove the naysayers wrong again.  Let's see if he and LeBron can find a way to make things more difficult for GSW in the Finals.

That will be tough seeing how they won't BE in the finals.

With LeBron, it's hard to believe that.  Hope that's not the case.  But if BOS made the Finals without Hayward, I'd imagine they will be legitimate contenders the following season.  Esp if GSW can't find a way to keep that dynasty together.
Despite rumors to the contrary, it takes more than one player. Plus, at the rate they're having to use LeBron this year, he'll be dead by March.

Could be.  His durability is reaching a level of strangeness imo.  Don''t see any one touching GSW anyway. 
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Roy H. on November 19, 2017, 09:38:31 PM
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Cleveland Cavaliers point guard Isaiah Thomas participated in full-court five-on-zero offensive drills Sunday, marking the first time he has practiced with his teammates in that manner since he was acquired from the Boston Celtics in a trade involving Kyrie Irving in August.

Thomas, who is still recovering from a torn labrum in his right hip, told Cleveland.com that Sunday was the "hardest I've run" during the rehabilitation process and he "felt good for the most part" afterward.

Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said Thomas could have done more Sunday, but the court at Cass Technical High School in Detroit where the team practiced was too slick, and they did not want to risk it.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 19, 2017, 09:44:52 PM
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Cleveland Cavaliers point guard Isaiah Thomas participated in full-court five-on-zero offensive drills Sunday, marking the first time he has practiced with his teammates in that manner since he was acquired from the Boston Celtics in a trade involving Kyrie Irving in August.

Thomas, who is still recovering from a torn labrum in his right hip, told Cleveland.com that Sunday was the "hardest I've run" during the rehabilitation process and he "felt good for the most part" afterward.

Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said Thomas could have done more Sunday, but the court at Cass Technical High School in Detroit where the team practiced was too slick, and they did not want to risk it.

"For the most part" is important. Will he ever play without pain and swelling again?
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: jambr380 on November 19, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
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Cleveland Cavaliers point guard Isaiah Thomas participated in full-court five-on-zero offensive drills Sunday, marking the first time he has practiced with his teammates in that manner since he was acquired from the Boston Celtics in a trade involving Kyrie Irving in August.

Thomas, who is still recovering from a torn labrum in his right hip, told Cleveland.com that Sunday was the "hardest I've run" during the rehabilitation process and he "felt good for the most part" afterward.

Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said Thomas could have done more Sunday, but the court at Cass Technical High School in Detroit where the team practiced was too slick, and they did not want to risk it.

"For the most part" is important. Will he ever play without pain and swelling again?

Also a bright idea to have IT have his hardest workout on a [technical] high school court away from home that was evidently 'slick'. Seems like they could have waited until the team got back to the practice facility for a hard run. Glad he is mostly okay, but am perfectly happy with him not being at full strength until this summer.
Title: Re: IT coming back early?
Post by: Moranis on November 22, 2017, 03:04:27 PM
https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/cavs/cavs-isaiah-thomas-continues-make-strides-rehab

Looks like he is not only shooting, not only running, but also is shuffling side to side and taking light contact from the Cavs staff. 

Looks like he may be back in December if he keeps up this sort of progression without setback.