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Re: Patriots Free Agency Thread
« Reply #180 on: March 15, 2017, 09:46:55 AM »

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How much better is Gilmore than Butler?

Don't get me wrong but it seemed Gronk and our WRs torched Gilmore more often than not.

Yet Gilmore gets 5/65M. Butler isn't worth 10+M/Year at the least??

This is ridiculous. Just pay HT and Butler, Pats...

Can't believe it's even a possibility we lose both before next season. Unlikely but still possible.

I totally agree with you, especially given how much $$$ the Pats have available, and given that there is about 2 more years of Brady left (my guess). I'd go all in, if I was Pats/BB.

Instead, I think it is very likely that the Pats lose MB, and about 50-50 that the Pats lose Hightower.
seems pessimistic to me. good chance both come back imo
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Re: Patriots Free Agency Thread
« Reply #181 on: March 15, 2017, 09:50:06 AM »

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How much better is Gilmore than Butler?

Don't get me wrong but it seemed Gronk and our WRs torched Gilmore more often than not.

Yet Gilmore gets 5/65M. Butler isn't worth 10+M/Year at the least??

This is ridiculous. Just pay HT and Butler, Pats...

Can't believe it's even a possibility we lose both before next season. Unlikely but still possible.

I totally agree with you, especially given how much $$$ the Pats have available, and given that there is about 2 more years of Brady left (my guess). I'd go all in, if I was Pats/BB.

Instead, I think it is very likely that the Pats lose MB, and about 50-50 that the Pats lose Hightower.
seems pessimistic to me. good chance both come back imo

I could see the Pats getting one more year out of Butler in a "Samuel in '07" kind of way but think he's  gone after the '17 season.

However, given the buddy/buddy relationship btw Payton & Belichick, a trade certainly isn't out of the question.  Pats aren't getting that 11th pick, though.


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Re: Patriots Free Agency Thread
« Reply #182 on: March 15, 2017, 10:06:57 AM »

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I could see the Pats getting one more year out of Butler in a "Samuel in '07" kind of way but think he's  gone after the '17 season.

However, given the buddy/buddy relationship btw Payton & Belichick, a trade certainly isn't out of the question.  Pats aren't getting that 11th pick, though.

I don't know why the Pats would make a trade for the 32nd (or another pick) if the Saints have no leverage here, though.  Other than supposed 'good faith' negotiating, it makes no sense not to let Butler sign the offer sheet and either match or take the 11th pick - seems pretty straight forward from BB's point of view. Either option, the Pats make out. Simply trading him for 32 would kind of suck on all accounts.

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« Reply #183 on: March 15, 2017, 10:18:07 AM »

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I could see the Pats getting one more year out of Butler in a "Samuel in '07" kind of way but think he's  gone after the '17 season.

However, given the buddy/buddy relationship btw Payton & Belichick, a trade certainly isn't out of the question.  Pats aren't getting that 11th pick, though.

I don't know why the Pats would make a trade for the 32nd (or another pick) if the Saints have no leverage here, though.  Other than supposed 'good faith' negotiating, it makes no sense not to let Butler sign the offer sheet and either match or take the 11th pick - seems pretty straight forward from BB's point of view. Either option, the Pats make out. Simply trading him for 32 would kind of suck on all accounts.

Saints leverage is that they simply walk away.  They don't have to sign Butler to a tender.  They can wait a year and get him in unrestricted free agency if they want.   Saints/Pats have had a close organizational bond over the years.  My gut tells me that some sort of compromise is reached (see Welker in '07) rather than this thing going the true RFA route with #11 going to New England.


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« Reply #184 on: March 15, 2017, 01:34:01 PM »

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Hightower's coming back per Schefter.

Imagine if Butler comes back too.

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« Reply #185 on: March 15, 2017, 01:36:03 PM »

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Hightower's coming back per Schefter.

Imagine if Butler comes back too.

It'll be interesting to see the contract terms on Hightower.


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« Reply #186 on: March 15, 2017, 01:38:55 PM »

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 Patriots LB Dont'a Hightower's deal, per @_SportsTrust: Four years, $43.5 million with $19 million guaranteed.

Pretty reasonable.


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« Reply #187 on: March 15, 2017, 01:40:56 PM »

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« Reply #188 on: March 15, 2017, 01:41:37 PM »

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 Patriots LB Dont'a Hightower's deal, per @_SportsTrust: Four years, $43.5 million with $19 million guaranteed.

Pretty reasonable.

That's a contract that tells me that Hightower was really set on coming back but wanted the Pats to up the price.

Bill didn't budge.

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« Reply #189 on: March 15, 2017, 01:42:20 PM »

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Hightower's coming back per Schefter.

Awesome!

Imagine if Butler comes back too.

This would be fantastic. Throw in the continued development of Trey Flowers and Malcom Brown and Elandon Roberts, the addition of Kony Ealy and Lawrence Guy, and a full season of Kyle Van Noy—not to mention a potential impact player from the draft—and the defense could be SO good next season.
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« Reply #190 on: March 15, 2017, 02:11:54 PM »

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HT got paid less than Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins...

Yet again, BB playing chess while everyone else playing checkers.

Now it's probably unlikely, but imagine if they get Zach Brown?  8)

I still think they need a two-down running back (Blount re-sign?) because Burkhead holds more Special Teams value IMO and is not a reliable two-down back it seems (he can play that part but probably not consistently).

Then reinforce pass rush, and maybe CB depending on what happens with Butler at the draft.
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« Reply #191 on: March 15, 2017, 02:12:26 PM »

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Pretty reasonable.

Extremely. I'll be surprised if the Jets didn't offer more than that.


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« Reply #192 on: March 15, 2017, 02:17:05 PM »

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 Patriots LB Dont'a Hightower's deal, per @_SportsTrust: Four years, $43.5 million with $19 million guaranteed.

Pretty reasonable.

Extremely. I'll be surprised if the Jets didn't offer more than that.

They reportedly offered 12M/Year. Idk how many years though.
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« Reply #193 on: March 15, 2017, 02:24:15 PM »

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 Patriots LB Dont'a Hightower's deal, per @_SportsTrust: Four years, $43.5 million with $19 million guaranteed.

Pretty reasonable.

Extremely. I'll be surprised if the Jets didn't offer more than that.

They reportedly offered 12M/Year. Idk how many years though.

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 Jets at one point had a long-term deal to Hightower worth $11M/yr w/$22M guaranteed but pulled it this week after he left NY w/o a deal


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« Reply #194 on: March 15, 2017, 02:35:04 PM »

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 Patriots LB Dont'a Hightower's deal, per @_SportsTrust: Four years, $43.5 million with $19 million guaranteed.

Pretty reasonable.

Extremely. I'll be surprised if the Jets didn't offer more than that.

They reportedly offered 12M/Year. Idk how many years though.

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 Jets at one point had a long-term deal to Hightower worth $11M/yr w/$22M guaranteed but pulled it this week after he left NY w/o a deal

TP. Thanks for that.

Yeah it is pretty much the NE deal with 3M less in guarantees.

He chose NE over NYJ in that case (aka winning).
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