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Title: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 18, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
http://hoopshype.com/2018/01/16/dewayne-dedmon-nba-trade-rumors-bucks-cavs-hawks/

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The Atlanta Hawks will reportedly make starting center Dewayne Dedmon available for acquisition before the upcoming NBA trade deadline.

Mark Deeks provided details on what he learned about the 7-footer who played college basketball for the USC Trojans (via GiveMeSport):

“The Atlanta Hawks are trying to trade Dewayne Dedmon. While it appears to not have been reported prior, it nonetheless will (or should) come as no surprise to Hawks fans to know that.”

This dude is athletic.

He can rebound.

He can run.

He can defend.

And he can shoot three's.

Should we?
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: kozlodoev on January 18, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
Signed through next year, so can't be had for the Hayward exception...
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Atzar on January 18, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
We're okay at center.  Horford, Baynes, a little bit of Theis.  That's solid.  I like Dedmon well enough but I don't think he makes sense for us at this time.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: moiso on January 18, 2018, 01:26:48 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: miraclejohan on January 18, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look. 
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: GreenShooter on January 18, 2018, 01:57:48 PM
So why did Atlanta sign him in the first place? How often does a player, as more than just a throw-in or for cap purposes, get traded in the same season that he signed a contract?
It doesn't make sense. What exactly did they expect out of him? I take it he was a big part of Atlanta winning a few games recently. It's why he gots to go!
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: byennie on January 18, 2018, 02:21:54 PM
Would have to move players to get him, no DPE. I guess it depends what else is out there.

1) Yabu + Larkin for Dedmon
2) draft pick for Lou Williams

Not sure we want rentals, but those would be some pretty strong role player additions for scraps.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: saltlover on January 18, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
Signed through next year, so can't be had for the Hayward exception...

Next year is a player option, so can be if he chooses to waive it as part of the trade.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Sketch5 on January 18, 2018, 02:40:13 PM
Would have to move players to get him, no DPE. I guess it depends what else is out there.

1) Yabu + Larkin for Dedmon
2) draft pick for Lou Williams

Not sure we want rentals, but those would be some pretty strong role player additions for scraps.

Unless the Clips are blowing it up, we're not getting Williams for picks. Dude is tearing it up. And they've been on  a streak. So unless they lose 90% of their games from now till all star break, doubt it would happen.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: byennie on January 18, 2018, 03:00:15 PM
Would have to move players to get him, no DPE. I guess it depends what else is out there.

1) Yabu + Larkin for Dedmon
2) draft pick for Lou Williams

Not sure we want rentals, but those would be some pretty strong role player additions for scraps.

Unless the Clips are blowing it up, we're not getting Williams for picks. Dude is tearing it up. And they've been on  a streak. So unless they lose 90% of their games from now till all star break, doubt it would happen.

Probably true, but only because the Clippers are incompetent. They're a 1st round exit at best and he's an expiring deal at the absolute peak of his value.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: saltlover on January 18, 2018, 03:05:46 PM
Would have to move players to get him, no DPE. I guess it depends what else is out there.

1) Yabu + Larkin for Dedmon
2) draft pick for Lou Williams

Not sure we want rentals, but those would be some pretty strong role player additions for scraps.

Unless the Clips are blowing it up, we're not getting Williams for picks. Dude is tearing it up. And they've been on  a streak. So unless they lose 90% of their games from now till all star break, doubt it would happen.

Probably true, but only because the Clippers are incompetent. They're a 1st round exit at best and he's an expiring deal at the absolute peak of his value.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Clippers made it to the second round.  Ultimately I think they’ll be a 5 or 6 seed, and Minnesota is very beatable if they draw that matchup (Wolves are good, but they’re still very inconsistent from game to game, and it will be the first playoffs for many on that team).
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: celticsclay on January 18, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
Would have to move players to get him, no DPE. I guess it depends what else is out there.

1) Yabu + Larkin for Dedmon
2) draft pick for Lou Williams

Not sure we want rentals, but those would be some pretty strong role player additions for scraps.

Unless the Clips are blowing it up, we're not getting Williams for picks. Dude is tearing it up. And they've been on  a streak. So unless they lose 90% of their games from now till all star break, doubt it would happen.

Probably true, but only because the Clippers are incompetent. They're a 1st round exit at best and he's an expiring deal at the absolute peak of his value.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Clippers made it to the second round.  Ultimately I think they’ll be a 5 or 6 seed, and Minnesota is very beatable if they draw that matchup (Wolves are good, but they’re still very inconsistent from game to game, and it will be the first playoffs for many on that team).

Yes I was going to say I could see them beating anyone besides a healthy Warriors or Rockets team. They have been very very good when their whole team is healthy.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: PAOBoston on January 18, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.
What team in the East do you see presenting the same problem as NOP?
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: miraclejohan on January 18, 2018, 03:30:42 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.
What team in the East do you see presenting the same problem as NOP?

Good question.  Short answer is "None" but longer answer is: I'd be worried about any center going off inside against us AND out-rebounding our entire team: Drummond, Embiid, Myles Turner, even Giannis and Whiteside could out perform our center for an entire series.  Washington, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Indiana's outside/driving game could swing games too if we can't stop them in the paint.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: PAOBoston on January 18, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.
What team in the East do you see presenting the same problem as NOP?

Good question.  Short answer is "None" but longer answer is: I'd be worried about any center going off inside against us AND out-rebounding our entire team: Drummond, Embiid, Myles Turner, even Giannis and Whiteside could out perform our center for an entire series.  Washington, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Indiana's outside/driving game could swing games too if we can't stop them in the paint.
So adding a 3rd center to the roster will solve those issues? I understand the underlying premise of your concern. But I think the Cs have held out pretty well so far this season against bigs with the Horford/Baynes/Theis rotation. I agree that maybe they could you an end of bench guy for depth in case anyone gets hurt but I dont think adding another big to a team that doesnt really utulize them will really do anything.

I do like Dedmon though and hoped they would somehow be able to grab him last offseason (before Baynes happened). I think he would be a good fit on this team (style wise).
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: miraclejohan on January 18, 2018, 04:13:38 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.
What team in the East do you see presenting the same problem as NOP?

Good question.  Short answer is "None" but longer answer is: I'd be worried about any center going off inside against us AND out-rebounding our entire team: Drummond, Embiid, Myles Turner, even Giannis and Whiteside could out perform our center for an entire series.  Washington, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Indiana's outside/driving game could swing games too if we can't stop them in the paint.
So adding a 3rd center to the roster will solve those issues? I understand the underlying premise of your concern. But I think the Cs have held out pretty well so far this season against bigs with the Horford/Baynes/Theis rotation. I agree that maybe they could you an end of bench guy for depth in case anyone gets hurt but I dont think adding another big to a team that doesnt really utulize them will really do anything.

I do like Dedmon though and hoped they would somehow be able to grab him last offseason (before Baynes happened). I think he would be a good fit on this team (style wise).

I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Dedmon on the bench over Nader.  Dedmon gives more versatility to our BIGS rotation than Nader does to our WINGS. But not enough to REALLY care about, hence a 2nd rounder would be a fine flier to take but no more.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Moranis on January 18, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.
What team in the East do you see presenting the same problem as NOP?

Good question.  Short answer is "None" but longer answer is: I'd be worried about any center going off inside against us AND out-rebounding our entire team: Drummond, Embiid, Myles Turner, even Giannis and Whiteside could out perform our center for an entire series.  Washington, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Indiana's outside/driving game could swing games too if we can't stop them in the paint.
So adding a 3rd center to the roster will solve those issues? I understand the underlying premise of your concern. But I think the Cs have held out pretty well so far this season against bigs with the Horford/Baynes/Theis rotation. I agree that maybe they could you an end of bench guy for depth in case anyone gets hurt but I dont think adding another big to a team that doesnt really utulize them will really do anything.

I do like Dedmon though and hoped they would somehow be able to grab him last offseason (before Baynes happened). I think he would be a good fit on this team (style wise).
Boston has a number of players that will essentially be useless come playoff time.  Adding someone that can play in the playoffs is a good thing, especially someone who is a big body and can provide valuable minutes as a big body.  That aside, Dedmon is better than Baynes and thus would be starting next to Horford.  Any time you can upgrade a starter, you should do it if the cost isn't that much. 

Given Dedmon's 6 million salary, the question is what type of trade could be worked out.  I think I'd trade Semi, Nader, Larkin, and BOS 1st for Dedmon.  I think that is the type of trade that makes a great deal of sense for Boston, though I'm not sure Ainge would want to give up Semi and the 1st to make it happen, but I'd feel a lot better entering the playoffs with that roster (and maybe you don't need the 1st if the Hawks really like Semi).  I'd then do a 2nd trade with the Hawks and absorb Belinelli into the DPE (Illyasova could also be acquired in that manner if he was preferred to Belinelli).  So post trades with a couple of open roster spots for post-trade deadline adds

PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Brown, Smart, Belinelli
SF - Tatum, Morris
PF - Horford, Theis, Yabu
C - Dedmon, Baynes

That team has a much better shot at coming out of the east by upgrading the starting center and adding a great shooting wing off the bench and swapping out 3 rookies and an unneeded future draft pick. 
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: miraclejohan on January 18, 2018, 05:00:04 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.
What team in the East do you see presenting the same problem as NOP?

Good question.  Short answer is "None" but longer answer is: I'd be worried about any center going off inside against us AND out-rebounding our entire team: Drummond, Embiid, Myles Turner, even Giannis and Whiteside could out perform our center for an entire series.  Washington, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Indiana's outside/driving game could swing games too if we can't stop them in the paint.
So adding a 3rd center to the roster will solve those issues? I understand the underlying premise of your concern. But I think the Cs have held out pretty well so far this season against bigs with the Horford/Baynes/Theis rotation. I agree that maybe they could you an end of bench guy for depth in case anyone gets hurt but I dont think adding another big to a team that doesnt really utulize them will really do anything.

I do like Dedmon though and hoped they would somehow be able to grab him last offseason (before Baynes happened). I think he would be a good fit on this team (style wise).
Boston has a number of players that will essentially be useless come playoff time.  Adding someone that can play in the playoffs is a good thing, especially someone who is a big body and can provide valuable minutes as a big body.  That aside, Dedmon is better than Baynes and thus would be starting next to Horford.  Any time you can upgrade a starter, you should do it if the cost isn't that much. 

Given Dedmon's 6 million salary, the question is what type of trade could be worked out.  I think I'd trade Semi, Nader, Larkin, and BOS 1st for Dedmon.  I think that is the type of trade that makes a great deal of sense for Boston, though I'm not sure Ainge would want to give up Semi and the 1st to make it happen, but I'd feel a lot better entering the playoffs with that roster (and maybe you don't need the 1st if the Hawks really like Semi).  I'd then do a 2nd trade with the Hawks and absorb Belinelli into the DPE (Illyasova could also be acquired in that manner if he was preferred to Belinelli).  So post trades with a couple of open roster spots for post-trade deadline adds

PG - Irving, Rozier
SG - Brown, Smart, Belinelli
SF - Tatum, Morris
PF - Horford, Theis, Yabu
C - Dedmon, Baynes

That team has a much better shot at coming out of the east by upgrading the starting center and adding a great shooting wing off the bench and swapping out 3 rookies and an unneeded future draft pick.

TP for that.  Well said.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: mmmmm on January 18, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
We're okay at center.  Horford, Baynes, a little bit of Theis.  That's solid.  I like Dedmon well enough but I don't think he makes sense for us at this time.

That's solid with talent.  Very, very thin with depth at true 'big'.  Especially since we are playing Horford so much more at the 4 this year (which has been a HUGE advantage) and that we rarely play either of Theis or Baynes more than 20 minutes.

If either of Baynes or Theis gets injured for any length of time, then suddenly we have just 2-man depth at the 5 and it ripples badly into the 4 because Al will need to play mostly at the 5 suddenly.

I'm not saying Dedmon is the answer, but it would not at all be a bad idea for Danny to add a true big man like him either at the deadline or via waiver pick-up after teams buyout contracts.

Doesn't need to be a super-star.   Someone like Tyson Chandler or Greg Monroe, should either be cut by the Suns, would fit perfect.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: timpiker on January 19, 2018, 05:51:53 AM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.

For the life of me, after the Pelicans game, I cannot see how anyone could think "our centers are solid".  Cousins and Davis raped them at will in front of 2M people.  And Horford smiled.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Androslav on January 19, 2018, 06:28:15 AM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.

For the life of me, after the Pelicans game, I cannot see how anyone could think "our centers are solid".  Cousins and Davis raped them at will in front of 2M people.  And Horford smiled.
Brrrrr, even though I am in Croatia, I am freezing out of fear of these 2 players.
DMC that already secured career losing record - 329L:202W. Brrrr. - 127 freezing degrees.
I am also scared he might not finish every other game he was supposed to play in, be it for ejection, 6th foul, his teams or leagues suspension or injury reasons. And one more, his coach might bench him in the clutch (just as he did vs us) as he doesn't show any defensive effort. Wide shelf to choose from.
AD and whole 4 (0W-4L) games of his playoff career are also frightening.
It truly makes me think we could meet in the finals 6 months from now, and that their frontcourt will destroy us.
Even if they somehow make the playoffs this year, someone will mop the floor with them in the 1st round.

We are in the East!
What centers are scary?
Which one is better than AL?
Tristian Thompson?
Gortat? Henson? Kelly Olynyk?
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 19, 2018, 07:02:21 AM
I think he would help but as it is with all players the price has to be right.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Somebody on January 19, 2018, 07:06:52 AM
Would love to have him, he'd be great next to Horford.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: miraclejohan on January 19, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.

For the life of me, after the Pelicans game, I cannot see how anyone could think "our centers are solid".  Cousins and Davis raped them at will in front of 2M people.  And Horford smiled.
Brrrrr, even though I am in Croatia, I am freezing out of fear of these 2 players.
DMC that already secured career losing record - 329L:202W. Brrrr. - 127 freezing degrees.
I am also scared he might not finish every other game he was supposed to play in, be it for ejection, 6th foul, his teams or leagues suspension or injury reasons. And one more, his coach might bench him in the clutch (just as he did vs us) as he doesn't show any defensive effort. Wide shelf to choose from.
AD and whole 4 (0W-4L) games of his playoff career are also frightening.
It truly makes me think we could meet in the finals 6 months from now, and that their frontcourt will destroy us.
Even if they somehow make the playoffs this year, someone will mop the floor with them in the 1st round.

We are in the East!
What centers are scary?
Which one is better than AL?
Tristian Thompson?
Gortat? Henson? Kelly Olynyk?

The East centers who are able enough to have their way offensively and rebounding-wise with us to change the game:
- Drummond
- Embiid
- Myles Turner
- Whiteside
- Hell, even Dwight Howard

Horford is a great asset on the offensive side of the ball but doesn;t defend or rebound like a "true" center.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Smitty77 on January 19, 2018, 09:58:18 AM
I think he would help but as it is with all players the price has to be right.

What would you be willing to GIVE UP to get a player with almost an 18 PER and on that would be averaging a double double if given 30 minutes??

Smitty77
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 19, 2018, 10:08:54 AM
I think he would help but as it is with all players the price has to be right.

What would you be willing to GIVE UP to get a player with almost an 18 PER and on that would be averaging a double double if given 30 minutes??

Smitty77

On a contract for one more year, and for a player who has a long injury history.

I'd give one of our own future firsts (late 20s pick).
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 19, 2018, 11:35:27 AM
I really would love to have Dedmon in the lineup. My only concern is his Player Option.

I sort of don't want to give up a 1st rounder for what could be a rental. But with our position in the standings, if we keep it up, it's basically an early 2nd.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Moranis on January 19, 2018, 12:34:57 PM
I really would love to have Dedmon in the lineup. My only concern is his Player Option.

I sort of don't want to give up a 1st rounder for what could be a rental. But with our position in the standings, if we keep it up, it's basically an early 2nd.
And how many more young players that need developing does Boston really need (and let's face it, a late 1st round pick is almost always going to be a guy that needs developing). 
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: kozlodoev on January 19, 2018, 12:42:39 PM
Yabusele and Nader work on the trade machine. Those two and a low first rounder. I'd rather keep Larkin and Semi.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 19, 2018, 01:14:51 PM
I wonder why he barely played any meaningful minutes in last year’s playoffs.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: Androslav on January 19, 2018, 01:40:44 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.

For the life of me, after the Pelicans game, I cannot see how anyone could think "our centers are solid".  Cousins and Davis raped them at will in front of 2M people.  And Horford smiled.
Brrrrr, even though I am in Croatia, I am freezing out of fear of these 2 players.
DMC that already secured career losing record - 329L:202W. Brrrr. - 127 freezing degrees.
I am also scared he might not finish every other game he was supposed to play in, be it for ejection, 6th foul, his teams or leagues suspension or injury reasons. And one more, his coach might bench him in the clutch (just as he did vs us) as he doesn't show any defensive effort. Wide shelf to choose from.
AD and whole 4 (0W-4L) games of his playoff career are also frightening.
It truly makes me think we could meet in the finals 6 months from now, and that their frontcourt will destroy us.
Even if they somehow make the playoffs this year, someone will mop the floor with them in the 1st round.

We are in the East!
What centers are scary?
Which one is better than AL?
Tristian Thompson?
Gortat? Henson? Kelly Olynyk?

The East centers who are able enough to have their way offensively and rebounding-wise with us to change the game:
- Drummond
- Embiid
- Myles Turner
- Whiteside
- Hell, even Dwight Howard

Horford is a great asset on the offensive side of the ball but doesn;t defend or rebound like a "true" center.
Players you listed, sans D12 are all good to great, but realistically, their teams don't scare me.
Detroit, Philly, Indy are all OK teams, but nothing to make us fearful. Heck, if we lose to them we are no good at all and don't deserve to advance. But that is not the case here. I named some of better East teams like Cleveland, Washington, Miami(as you did) and Milwaukee.

Miami team invokes more respect in me. They won't give up, they will execute, will be well coached ans will remain physical throughout the series. However, Hassan was played off the floor many times in our meetings past 3 years. But with Kelly and Bam they could have a few more options to choose from at the center spot.

I'll add to the DMC & AD conversation.
I think that their names will historically end up as a "Big-mens epitaph" of sorts.

- Two of the best bigs in the league.
- Their games are so versatile that they fit together. Nice.
- They don't dispute, but willingly work and support each other. Kentucky ties.
- They score 50 points a game. Efficiently and provide solid spacing for two traditional bigs.
- Their often injured players remain healthy, something that was a big concern prior to this season. Between of their three, by far, best players AD, Jrue and DMC they played 126/132 possible games. Great!
- Their rivals in the playoff race; Clippers, Utah, Denver, all had injury troubled All-stars to give them the advantage. Even better.

They are 23-21.
If they fail, and it looks to me like it will. Why would GM's league wide entrain similar concept in the near future? There is simply no cap space to pay 2 bigs the max, while you need a max wing and another max ball-handler? Unless you hit some consecutive great value picks.

Something is fishy wouldn't you agree?
The best twin tower combo of this era, with a competent PG, can't do better than that?
Maybe one or both are not as good.
Maybe their skills are not as necessary as some would think.
Cause if all what is said about them was true, then we should be watching a 33-11 team
and not the 23-21 team we see.

Celtic bigs are fine. AS a whole they are not the best in the league or elite, but all are serviceable. All defend and shoot some. Dedmon would fit, but wouldn't turn the series around or log huge minutes unless one of the guys got injured. He would be a good insurance.
Is that worth any asset? Not to me. Maybe a small one, like late top 55 protected 2nd, but Atlanta could probably do better than that elsewhere.

The missing link on our team is the obvious answer. Gordon Hayward.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: miraclejohan on January 19, 2018, 02:04:36 PM
I agree with Aztar that we don't necessarily need him because our centers are solid.  I do like Dedmon and prefer him to guys like Noel, however.

While our centers are "solid," Davis and Boogie torched them, showing we are weak against stronger centers.  One wrong playoff matchup and we could be done.  I'm intrigued by Dedmon as a long, defensively capable big getting 10 and 8 in 22 MPG, but definitely not overpaying for him.  I'd consider a 2nd rounder.

That said, I don't think Dedmon would have been able to stop Davis, but he does give us a different look.

For the life of me, after the Pelicans game, I cannot see how anyone could think "our centers are solid".  Cousins and Davis raped them at will in front of 2M people.  And Horford smiled.
Brrrrr, even though I am in Croatia, I am freezing out of fear of these 2 players.
DMC that already secured career losing record - 329L:202W. Brrrr. - 127 freezing degrees.
I am also scared he might not finish every other game he was supposed to play in, be it for ejection, 6th foul, his teams or leagues suspension or injury reasons. And one more, his coach might bench him in the clutch (just as he did vs us) as he doesn't show any defensive effort. Wide shelf to choose from.
AD and whole 4 (0W-4L) games of his playoff career are also frightening.
It truly makes me think we could meet in the finals 6 months from now, and that their frontcourt will destroy us.
Even if they somehow make the playoffs this year, someone will mop the floor with them in the 1st round.

We are in the East!
What centers are scary?
Which one is better than AL?
Tristian Thompson?
Gortat? Henson? Kelly Olynyk?

The East centers who are able enough to have their way offensively and rebounding-wise with us to change the game:
- Drummond
- Embiid
- Myles Turner
- Whiteside
- Hell, even Dwight Howard

Horford is a great asset on the offensive side of the ball but doesn;t defend or rebound like a "true" center.
Players you listed, sans D12 are all good to great, but realistically, their teams don't scare me.
Detroit, Philly, Indy are all OK teams, but nothing to make us fearful. Heck, if we lose to them we are no good at all and don't deserve to advance.
But that is not the case here. I named some of better East teams like Cleveland, Washington, Miami(as you did) and Milwaukee.

Miami team invokes more respect in me. They won't give up, they will execute, will be well coached ans will remain physical throughout the series. However, Hassan was played off the floor many times in our meetings past 3 years. But with Kelly and Bam they could have a few more options to choose from at the center spot.

I'll add to the DMC & AD conversation.
I think that their names will historically end up as a "Big-mens epitaph" of sorts.

- Two of the best bigs in the league.
- Their games are so versatile that they fit together. Nice.
- They don't dispute, but willingly work and support each other. Kentucky ties.
- They score 50 points a game. Efficiently and provide solid spacing for two traditional bigs.
- Their often injured players remain healthy, something that was a big concern prior to this season. Between of their three, by far, best players AD, Jrue and DMC they played 126/132 possible games. Great!
- Their rivals in the playoff race; Clippers, Utah, Denver, all had injury troubled All-stars to give them the advantage. Even better.

They are 23-21.
If they fail, and it looks to me like it will. Why would GM's league wide entrain similar concept in the near future? There is simply no cap space to pay 2 bigs the max, while you need a max wing and another max ball-handler? Unless you hit some consecutive great value picks.

Something is fishy wouldn't you agree?
The best twin tower combo of this era, with a competent PG, can't do better than that?
Maybe one or both are not as good.
Maybe their skills are not as necessary as some would think.
Cause if all what is said about them was true, then we should be watching a 33-11 team
and not the 23-21 team we see.

Celtic bigs are fine. AS a whole they are not the best in the league or elite, but all are serviceable. All defend and shoot some. Dedmon would fit, but wouldn't turn the series around or log huge minutes unless one of the guys got injured. He would be a good insurance.
Is that worth any asset? Not to me. Maybe a small one, like late top 55 protected 2nd, but Atlanta could probably do better than that elsewhere.

The missing link on our team is the obvious answer. Gordon Hayward.

Agree, but not willing to concede that our front court is good enough defensively for a Championship.  I also agree that Dedmon only makes sense for a late draft pick (I suggest any of our own 1sts and that'd include any 2nds IMO)

For the record, here's the big men stats from the times this season when the C's lost to DET and PHI:
L 118-108 to Detroit; Drummond 26pts, 22 reb, 6 assists, 4 steals (Horford 11, 5, 5, 1)
L 89-80 to Philly; Embiid 26pts, 16reb, 6 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks (Horford 14, 3, 3, 1, 2)

 

Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: vjcsmoke on January 20, 2018, 01:06:42 AM
I like Dedmon for the DPE.  We need better length and depth because our bigs can get torched at times.

Cousins and Boogie frontcourt smoked us.  Embiid was a one man wrecking crew.

In addition I'd like us to add a bench scorer.

So adding Dedmon and Hood would give us great depth for a playoff run.  We'd have a hard time keeping the band together BUT if we made it to the finals we could attract one of our FA's to stay and then a good MLE free agent vet.
Title: Re: DeWayne Dedmon available.
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on January 20, 2018, 02:56:53 AM
So why did Atlanta sign him in the first place? How often does a player, as more than just a throw-in or for cap purposes, get traded in the same season that he signed a contract?
It doesn't make sense. What exactly did they expect out of him? I take it he was a big part of Atlanta winning a few games recently. It's why he gots to go!

Probably the same reason we used to sign the likes of Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks in the height of our own rebuild. Build up their trade value and flip them for  more assets.