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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 08:23:51 AM
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Some jumbled speculation rumors on CBSSports this morning. The headline on hoopshype says Smith is in trade conversations, the article on CBS sports says no talks have been made with the teams that are on his so called interest list...
With that being said. Doesn't this trade make incredible sense for both teams?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=93pdwsv (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=93pdwsv)
Smith goes to Memphis, replaces Rudy, fits better with their defensive scheme, and also has a one year contract. If he works out great, if not, Memphis saves the money they were looking to save.
Hawks get Rudy who steps up as their franchise player.
Might be too big of a contract for the Hawks?
Figured I would share a trade involving Smith or Gay without having the Celtics involved. Although I could easily work out a scenario where we get Smith. I want Smith!
Discuss...
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I think it's a really bad trade for both teams -
Josh Smith would be an abysmal fit offensively for Memphis. He'd absolutely murder the team's spacing. I think the reason Memphis is looking at a guy like Jared Dudley is because they really don't need that much out of a 3 in their system. They need a guy who can move the ball, hit an open 3 and play good defense. While Smith can certainly play defense and his overall game is better, a simple role player like Jared Dudley is a much better fit for Memphis.
On the opposite side - Atlanta literally just got rid of Joe Johnson for nothing. Ferry's taking a long term approach to rebuilding this team. He's not going to commit 16 million to a player who isn't a gamebreaker. I love Rudy Gay's game, but he isn't going to improve that Atlanta team anywhere near enough for them to consider.
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Some jumbled speculation rumors on CBSSports this morning. The headline on hoopshype says Smith is in trade conversations, the article on CBS sports says no talks have been made with the teams that are on his so called interest list...
With that being said. Doesn't this trade make incredible sense for both teams?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=93pdwsv (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=93pdwsv)
Smith goes to Memphis, replaces Rudy, fits better with their defensive scheme, and also has a one year contract. If he works out great, if not, Memphis saves the money they were looking to save.
Hawks get Rudy who steps up as their franchise player.
Might be too big of a contract for the Hawks?
Figured I would share a trade involving Smith or Gay without having the Celtics involved. Although I could easily work out a scenario where we get Smith. I want Smith!
Discuss...
I could see that lousy Cuban and Dallas getting Smith, he always gets Guys on one year deals somehow. Kaman, Mayo etc. ( Mayo Will optout next year).
Marion, Kaman for Smith, or that overrated rudy bobois .
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
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Not sure how Josh Smith would work on that team. At SF? That'd kill floor spacing for this bigs.
Team would be HUGE though, and great defensively, I suppose.
Not sure about that idea.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
Yeah you make a very good point. Houston could have a pretty nasty lineup if they were able to nab Smith. And they have a lot of young blood saved up for their attempt at Howard. Lin, Harden, Parsons, Smith, Asik makes for one heck of a starting lineup.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I think they actually would be decent trading partners depending on how much Houston likes Smith and what they would be willing to give up. I mean given their cap room they could move Patterson, Parsons, Jones and Aldrich for Smith. Does Atlanta like those players? Does Houston value Smith that much? But there would be a lot of options.
Gay would also seem like a fit in Houston and would also be a good trading partner for Memphis given the mass of young players they could send back and the salary savings they could give Memphis.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
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For giggles I went against my words as to involving the Celtics in such a trade and did so anyway.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdmngq4 (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdmngq4)
Celts get Smith
Memphis gets Green for their small forward at a cheaper rate than Gay. Fits into their system well. Trades Arthur but gain Bass as a replacement. Net Melo for a future project and get Zaza as not only an expriring but a legit center off their bench for a playoff run. They are lacking at the Center position off the bench.
Hawks get Gay and a young big man in Arthur. Still doesnt take away from the fact that Gay has a huge contract and Ferry probably wouldn't go for it.
Memphis
Conley/Bayless
Allen/Ellington
Green/Pondexter
Randolph/Bass
Gasol/ZaZa/Speights
Hawks
Teague/Harris
Korver/Williams
Gay/Stevenson
Arthur//Johnson
Horford/Tolliver
Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/(Lee/Smith combo)
Smith/Sully
KG/Wilcox/Collins
Meh. I dunno.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
Houston has certainly set themselves up nicely to acquire another big name player. I wonder if those backloaded Lin and Asik deals will come to haunt them however.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
Houston has certainly set themselves up nicely to acquire another big name player. I wonder if those backloaded Lin and Asik deals will come to haunt them however.
Personally, I think it helps them if Houston ownership is willing to spend. They represent two max expirings.
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The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.
They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did.
Both contracts are proportional over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
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I have absolutely no idea whether Josh Smith is a SF or PF.
I always thought more of a PF, but then saw he's listed as SF on trade machine. And I thought: "Well, yeah that makes sense, because he's a bit small to match up against the bigger PFs of the league" Then I thought: "Well, but he can't really shoot that well for a SF and I think a SF needs to be able to shoot"
So what is he? The idea of "bigger PFs" is kind of disappearing around the league. Former all-star PFs with height like Bosh, KG, Duncan, Brand, and Jermaine Oneal have all become centers over the past couple years. Pau, Dirk, Aldridge, and Randolph are the only 4 PFs left in the league who use their height/size to trouble smaller defenders. Amare could but I'm not sure if he's really a PF and he doesn't really trouble anyone anymore anyways.
I'm gonna say Smith is a PF in today's NBA. Thoughts?
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Houston can present a very attractive package. They have all those young guys on rookie deals. If Ferry really wants to rebuild, the Rockets are a good partner.
Memphis has the best piece. Rudy Gay is very talented, but overpaid. I don't think Atlanta will want to trade with the Grizzlies.
Dallas is more likely a free agent destination. Maybe a sign-and-trade deal. The Mavericks don't have anything the Hawks would want.
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I have absolutely no idea whether Josh Smith is a SF or PF.
I always thought more of a PF, but then saw he's listed as SF on trade machine. And I thought: "Well, yeah that makes sense, because he's a bit small to match up against the bigger PFs of the league" Then I thought: "Well, but he can't really shoot that well for a SF and I think a SF needs to be able to shoot"
So what is he? The idea of "bigger PFs" is kind of disappearing around the league. Former all-star PFs with height like Bosh, KG, Duncan, Brand, and Jermaine Oneal have all become centers over the past couple years. Pau, Dirk, Aldridge, and Randolph are the only 4 PFs left in the league who use their height/size to trouble smaller defenders. Amare could but I'm not sure if he's really a PF and he doesn't really trouble anyone anymore anyways.
I'm gonna say Smith is a PF in today's NBA. Thoughts?
He's a PF without question. He can play SF in bigger lineups a la Millsap or Odom, but his skillset makes him much more valuable at PF.
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agree Houston makes some sense. They can send back young players without matching Smith's salary, which presumably Ferry would want. And Morey is open to gambling on a guy in the final year of his deal.
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I'm gonna say Smith is a PF in today's NBA. Thoughts?
Josh Smith is a combo forward who is generally at his best as a power forward when used as an undersized quick four but can also play small forward as a power based three.
Quite similar to Andrei Kirilenko or to a lesser degree Shawn Marion.
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I hope houston finds a way to get him. I really want Houston to be good again.
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The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.
They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did.
Both contracts are proportional over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
Can anyone else confirm this? Or at least further explain. I am under the impression based on articles and conversations I have had with others that they are indeed backloaded...
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm)
http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/ (http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/)
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.
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The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.
They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did.
Both contracts are proportional (edit: average salary) over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
Can anyone else confirm this? Or at least further explain. I am under the impression based on articles and conversations I have had with others that they are indeed backloaded...
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm)
http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/ (http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/)
Shamsports (http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/rockets.jsp) and Storytellers (http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/) both have Lin and Asik at $8.375 million per season for each of the three years.
Here is a link to Larry Coon's summary of the Gilbert Arenas provision (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44).
Here as an example from that website:
Season Salary Notes
1 $5,000,000 Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level amount for 2011-12
2 $5,225,000 4.5% raise over season 1
3 $12,628,613 This is the amount that yields $25.775 million over the final two seasons with a 4.1% raise3
4 $13,146,387 Raise is 4.1% of season 3 salary
Total $36,000,000 Average is $9 million, which equals the team's cap room
For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary.
So they would've been backloaded for Chicago or New York if either team matched. But since neither did, Houston is charged with the average figure of contract (the quoted part in brown font). That is my understanding.
Note: It's the average. Not proportional as I said earlier. I was wrong. No increases. Same figure each year. The average of the contract.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.
Why? Who are they bidding against? Dallas can't give Atlanta squat. Same with Memphis. What other team out there both wants to acquire Josh Smith and can do better?
All signs are that Atlanta doesn't want anything to do with him past this year. They're going to want some return, but they've got no leverage. He's not that in demand anymore.
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The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.
They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did.
Both contracts are proportional (edit: average salary) over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
Can anyone else confirm this? Or at least further explain. I am under the impression based on articles and conversations I have had with others that they are indeed backloaded...
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm)
http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/ (http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/)
Shamsports (http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/rockets.jsp) and Storytellers (http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/) both have Lin and Asik at $8.375 million per season for each of the three years.
Here is a link to Larry Coon's summary of the Gilbert Arenas provision (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44).
Here as an example from that website:
Season Salary Notes
1 $5,000,000 Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level amount for 2011-12
2 $5,225,000 4.5% raise over season 1
3 $12,628,613 This is the amount that yields $25.775 million over the final two seasons with a 4.1% raise3
4 $13,146,387 Raise is 4.1% of season 3 salary
Total $36,000,000 Average is $9 million, which equals the team's cap room
For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary.
So they would've been backloaded for Chicago or New York if either team matched. But since neither did, Houston is charged with the average figure of contract (the quoted part in brown font). That is my understanding.
Note: It's the average. Not proportional as I said earlier. I was wrong. No increases. Same figure each year. The average of the contract.
Interesting. I had no idea. Thanks. TP for the explanation.
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The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.
They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did.
Both contracts are proportional (edit: average salary) over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
Can anyone else confirm this? Or at least further explain. I am under the impression based on articles and conversations I have had with others that they are indeed backloaded...
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm)
http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/ (http://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/)
Shamsports (http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/rockets.jsp) and Storytellers (http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/) both have Lin and Asik at $8.375 million per season for each of the three years.
Here is a link to Larry Coon's summary of the Gilbert Arenas provision (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44).
Here as an example from that website:
Season Salary Notes
1 $5,000,000 Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level amount for 2011-12
2 $5,225,000 4.5% raise over season 1
3 $12,628,613 This is the amount that yields $25.775 million over the final two seasons with a 4.1% raise3
4 $13,146,387 Raise is 4.1% of season 3 salary
Total $36,000,000 Average is $9 million, which equals the team's cap room
For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary.
So they would've been backloaded for Chicago or New York if either team matched. But since neither did, Houston is charged with the average figure of contract (the quoted part in brown font). That is my understanding.
Note: It's the average. Not proportional as I said earlier. I was wrong. No increases. Same figure each year. The average of the contract.
not that it really matters, but I think Houston actually pays Lin and Asik as was presented in the contract, it just counts against the cap evenly. It is essentially the reverse of the NFL with those signing bonuses, pay now, but evenly distribute throughout life of contract.
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My hope is that Smith wants to play here enough to demand a trade. Also, he should put the word out he will not re-sign with Atlanta or any team other than Boston that trades for him.
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My hope is that Smith wants to play here enough to demand a trade. Also, he should put the word out he will not re-sign with Atlanta or any team other than Boston that trades for him.
:)
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.
Why? Who are they bidding against? Dallas can't give Atlanta squat. Same with Memphis. What other team out there both wants to acquire Josh Smith and can do better?
All signs are that Atlanta doesn't want anything to do with him past this year. They're going to want some return, but they've got no leverage. He's not that in demand anymore.
I can't see Houston as the only suitor for Smith. Boston can do better than that by offering Bass, Lee, Melo and a pick which would be worth a lot more than Patterson and a pick. Other teams would want Smith so 1 unproven prospect and a middle-of-the-round pick in a crappy draft won't net them an all-star like Smith
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My hope is that Smith wants to play here enough to demand a trade. Also, he should put the word out he will not re-sign with Atlanta or any team other than Boston that trades for him.
:)
I think teams would call his bluff, since we can only offer the MLE and he will want significantly more than that.
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Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit.
The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik.
I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
I don't think they would have to give up that much -
They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.
And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.
Why? Who are they bidding against? Dallas can't give Atlanta squat. Same with Memphis. What other team out there both wants to acquire Josh Smith and can do better?
All signs are that Atlanta doesn't want anything to do with him past this year. They're going to want some return, but they've got no leverage. He's not that in demand anymore.
I can't see Houston as the only suitor for Smith. Boston can do better than that by offering Bass, Lee, Melo and a pick which would be worth a lot more than Patterson and a pick. Other teams would want Smith so 1 unproven prospect and a middle-of-the-round pick in a crappy draft won't net them an all-star like Smith
Yeah if Houston offer Patterson and a pick then 28 other teams will be calling to Hawks to bid against that proposal.