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Other Discussions => Entertainment => Off Topic => Video Games => Topic started by: Humble G on May 22, 2013, 01:49:35 PM
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is anyone else a little upset about the incapability the new xbox will have with used games? basically u install the game to your hard drive and only you and a few in your household can play the game. if a friend borrows it they must buy the game online even if they have the disc! they said they will create a system where you can take that digital content and trade a previously played game at a retail store, DUMB! I dont do it as often but many gamers buy a game play it beat and in a few months or a year trade it in for a new game or swap with a buddy......I'm not a lover of gamestop but this sux!
here is a link:
http://bgr.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-used-games-sales-policies/
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is anyone else a little upset about the incapability the new xbox will have with used games? basically u install the game to your hard drive and only you and a few in your household can play the game. if a friend borrows it they must buy the game online even if they have the disc! they said they will create a system where you can take that digital content and trade a previously played game at a retail store, DUMB! I dont do it as often but many gamers buy a game play it beat and in a few months or a year trade it in for a new game or swap with a buddy......I'm not a lover of gamestop but this sux!
here is a link:
http://bgr.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-used-games-sales-policies/
There are a bunch of games (Dragon Age 2, Fallout's expansion packs, college football 2013, etc..) that I would never have played if I couldn't have bought them at an obscene discount used.
Screw you, XBox.
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is anyone else a little upset about the incapability the new xbox will have with used games? basically u install the game to your hard drive and only you and a few in your household can play the game. if a friend borrows it they must buy the game online even if they have the disc! they said they will create a system where you can take that digital content and trade a previously played game at a retail store, DUMB! I dont do it as often but many gamers buy a game play it beat and in a few months or a year trade it in for a new game or swap with a buddy......I'm not a lover of gamestop but this sux!
here is a link:
http://bgr.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-used-games-sales-policies/
There are a bunch of games (Dragon Age 2, Fallout's expansion packs, college football 2013, etc..) that I would never have played if I couldn't have bought them at an obscene discount used.
Screw you, XBox.
Ya there is alot of uproar about this, I can't imagine it will hold up. I have a feeling gamestop might file a motion in court. Wouldnt this effectively kill 50% of the business?
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I don't by many used games, but used games markets push down games I do buy new for sale months(or years) after they are released.
If this holds up, I probably won't get a console and just have a gaming PC for all my gaming.
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is anyone else a little upset about the incapability the new xbox will have with used games? basically u install the game to your hard drive and only you and a few in your household can play the game. if a friend borrows it they must buy the game online even if they have the disc! they said they will create a system where you can take that digital content and trade a previously played game at a retail store, DUMB! I dont do it as often but many gamers buy a game play it beat and in a few months or a year trade it in for a new game or swap with a buddy......I'm not a lover of gamestop but this sux!
here is a link:
http://bgr.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-used-games-sales-policies/
There are a bunch of games (Dragon Age 2, Fallout's expansion packs, college football 2013, etc..) that I would never have played if I couldn't have bought them at an obscene discount used.
Screw you, XBox.
Ya there is alot of uproar about this, I can't imagine it will hold up. I have a feeling gamestop might file a motion in court. Wouldnt this effectively kill 50% of the business?
Good riddance.
Gamestop is the bane of all used games existence... Stick to buying cheaper and better games online through ebay from reputable sellers. I understand convenience wise this isn't ideal, but all the games from Gamestop are overpriced, and half of the time break down in a few months.
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The entire secondary market goes with this monkhouse not just gamestop and other small gaming stores.
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The entire secondary market goes with this monkhouse not just gamestop and other small gaming stores.
Yup, though the Gaming industry is really a funny thing. My understanding is that Sony took a loss on every playstation 3 they sold. and Microsoft probably will do the same with the Xbox one.
Then the profit margins on games are astronomical. Obviously this is an attempt to reduce the secondary market and keep more sales coming in for microsoft (I assume they get some cut of the sales of games made for their systems)but I wonder if its to justify a significant loss they will be taking on the system itself.
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The entire secondary market goes with this monkhouse not just gamestop and other small gaming stores.
I doubt it will. If Xbox goes ahead with this, which might be the dumbest marketing idea since Rock Pets, (amazingly it proved successful.) PS4 will just take advantage of that then. If XBOX goes ahead with this, I'll have no problem playing my roommates XBOX 360, and playing my PS4.
You can never outsource secondary markets, simply because there is plenty of supply and demand. Unless all consoles don't allow the used games feature, I don't see that being eliminated any time soon. But I do want Gamestop shut down honestly..
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PS4 is supposed to have this same capability, they just haven't been open in discussing it publically monkhouse. They've had a lot of "no comments". Both systems are designed to be able to stop secondary game sales if desired.
I'm guessing Sony/Microsoft are both hoping that they can implement it at the same time.
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I think it's a pretty dumb idea unless PS4 is doing the same thing.
The PS4 already has a hardware advantage. It just seems like a bad idea for Microsoft to come up with another idea that is unfriendly to consumers.
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The entire secondary market goes with this monkhouse not just gamestop and other small gaming stores.
I doubt it will. If Xbox goes ahead with this, which might be the dumbest marketing idea since Rock Pets, (amazingly it proved successful.) PS4 will just take advantage of that then. If XBOX goes ahead with this, I'll have no problem playing my roommates XBOX 360, and playing my PS4.
You can never outsource secondary markets, simply because there is plenty of supply and demand. Unless all consoles don't allow the used games feature, I don't see that being eliminated any time soon. But I do want Gamestop shut down honestly..
Meh, Gamestop has its issues but its alot more reliable than buying a game from a guy on craigslist or off ebay.
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PS4 is supposed to have this same capability, they just haven't been open in discussing it publically monkhouse. They've had a lot of "no comments".
I'm guessing Sony/Microsoft are both hoping that they can implement it at the same time.
Oh really? Darn :(.
I read a lot of articles stating the comparisons of PS4/XBOX One, and the positives versus negatives. I didn't know PS4 would be following suit.
Sigh... this is going to suck then. Oh well, I still use my SNES/N64, so it doesn't really matter ;).
The entire secondary market goes with this monkhouse not just gamestop and other small gaming stores.
I doubt it will. If Xbox goes ahead with this, which might be the dumbest marketing idea since Rock Pets, (amazingly it proved successful.) PS4 will just take advantage of that then. If XBOX goes ahead with this, I'll have no problem playing my roommates XBOX 360, and playing my PS4.
You can never outsource secondary markets, simply because there is plenty of supply and demand. Unless all consoles don't allow the used games feature, I don't see that being eliminated any time soon. But I do want Gamestop shut down honestly..
Meh, Gamestop has its issues but its alot more reliable than buying a game from a guy on craigslist or off ebay.
I've had 5 friends who've been scammed by people on eBay, but bought games from people under 98% feedback. Its hard to trust people on the internet, but if you shop smart, and choose the right items from the right sellers, you're getting a big bargain.
I really don't hope these two companies go ahead with this. The logjam it would produce..
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What makes anyone think Sony is not going to do the same thing?
And how much of this push the system maker and how much of it is the game makers?
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I think it's a pretty dumb idea unless PS4 is doing the same thing.
The PS4 already has a hardware advantage. It just seems like a bad idea for Microsoft to come up with another idea that is unfriendly to consumers.
PS4 reportedly is setup to do the same thing. I think they're avoiding commenting to avoid the PR mess.
Microsoft is pulling the same crap with their office software. Future office won't be allowed to moved to multiple PCs, instead they want you to "subscribe" to office software.
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What makes anyone think Sony is not going to do the same thing?
And how much of this push the system maker and how much of it is the game makers?
Its both, both only get dollars on the first sale.
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Its not a huge issue for me since I really just get NCAA Football, and NBA 2k and play those into the ground, and then use the other cool things the systems have to offer but I can see where this stinks for guys that buy alot of games.
Also, does this kill Gamefly entirely? how can you rent games anymore?
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What happened to caring about consumers?
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What happened to caring about consumers?
Used game buyers aren't their consumers they get no money out of it.
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What happened to caring about consumers?
Used game buyers aren't their consumers they get no money out of it.
Still stupid, because this is definitely going to cause a huge uproar within the gaming community.
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What happened to caring about consumers?
Used game buyers aren't their consumers they get no money out of it.
Still stupid, because this is definitely going to cause a huge uproar within the gaming community.
I agree, but its not my money or business.
They'll just lose me as a customer.
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That's why Playstation is better. 8)
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Its not a huge issue for me since I really just get NCAA Football, and NBA 2k and play those into the ground, and then use the other cool things the systems have to offer but I can see where this stinks for guys that buy alot of games.
Also, does this kill Gamefly entirely? how can you rent games anymore?
Same here. I'm not into those COD games, etc. I just buy Madden, NBA 2k, and FIFA and play those until the next one comes out. I mainly use my game system for sports games, Netflix, and my Blu-Ray discs.
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That's why Playstation is better. 8)
I wish my PS3 was as fast at playing games as my xbox 360 used to be.
(I sold my 360 to gamestop after having it for 6 years since i was afraid it would RRD me pretty soon and got a new PS3)
NCAA football 2011 plays so much slower on my brand new PS3 than it did on my 6 year old 360
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PS4 is supposed to have this same capability, they just haven't been open in discussing it publically monkhouse. They've had a lot of "no comments". Both systems are designed to be able to stop secondary game sales if desired.
I'm guessing Sony/Microsoft are both hoping that they can implement it at the same time.
Ugh. I wonder if they'll get caught in a price-fixing scandal.
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That's why Playstation is better. 8)
I wish my PS3 was as fast at playing games as my xbox 360 used to be.
(I sold my 360 to gamestop after having it for 6 years since i was afraid it would RRD me pretty soon and got a new PS3)
NCAA football 2011 plays so much slower on my brand new PS3 than it did on my 6 year old 360
Its the same for me. The players run a lot faster in FIFA on my friend's XBOX. Is that what you are talking about? Because that can be changed with your settings. Or do you mean the system lags when you play?
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I'm mostly annoyed by the always-on Internet requirement (I think that was confirmed?). My Internet here is sometimes sketchy, and single-player games cutting out because it goes down is a dealbreaker. It will apparently also basically eliminate use by deployed military, since they're not going to be devoting bandwidth to consoles.
I also think the combination of always-on Internet and always/default-on Kinect is a massive hacking scandal waiting to happen.
Kinda sad to see video games reach the kind of oligopoly where console designers are basically colluding to make design decisions that are just about protecting revenue over serving consumers.
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I almost always purchase used games or games that are new but have been out for years. I am a Playstation person myself and the VP of Sony said that they would do the right thing, though didn't confirm or deny that they would do it.
My bet is that used games may have some limitations, like only one usage for the first three months the game is released and will make exceptions for places like gamefly that rent games, but won't restrict the use of used games for ever.
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That's why Playstation is better. 8)
I wish my PS3 was as fast at playing games as my xbox 360 used to be.
(I sold my 360 to gamestop after having it for 6 years since i was afraid it would RRD me pretty soon and got a new PS3)
NCAA football 2011 plays so much slower on my brand new PS3 than it did on my 6 year old 360
Its the same for me. The players run a lot faster in FIFA on my friend's XBOX. Is that what you are talking about? Because that can be changed with your settings. Or do you mean the system lags when you play?
Mostly notice in lagging when making recruiting calls in NCAA don't really notice it while playing the actual football game. Bust mostly just in navigating the menus and saving
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What happened to caring about consumers?
Used game buyers aren't their consumers they get no money out of it.
Still stupid, because this is definitely going to cause a huge uproar within the gaming community.
I agree, but its not my money or business.
They'll just lose me as a customer.
You sure their going to do it? Did some looking around and found this.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/21/sony-ps4-can-play-used-games/
Joystiq is pretty reputable when it comes to information on consoles.
Maybe PS4 hasn't revealed it yet, but XBOX uses online interface where they store the data/information.
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I almost always purchase used games or games that are new but have been out for years. I am a Playstation person myself and the VP of Sony said that they would do the right thing, though didn't confirm or deny that they would do it.
My bet is that used games may have some limitations, like only one usage for the first three months the game is released and will make exceptions for places like gamefly that rent games, but won't restrict the use of used games for ever.
If they dont have some accomodation for used games the other option is just stock up on black friday every year. I got Assassins creed 3 for 30 bucks at Best buy I think just a few weeks after it came out
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Another article I found from Gamespot says the owner will do the right thing.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-on-ps4-used-games-we-are-going-to-do-the-right-thing-6404470
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I almost always purchase used games or games that are new but have been out for years. I am a Playstation person myself and the VP of Sony said that they would do the right thing, though didn't confirm or deny that they would do it.
My bet is that used games may have some limitations, like only one usage for the first three months the game is released and will make exceptions for places like gamefly that rent games, but won't restrict the use of used games for ever.
I'm with you (Playstation guy also), as I only buy used games or games that have been out a while too, then sell them right after I beat them. Doing it this way, I figured out I basically play games for free or at minimal cost. Example, I bought Assassins Creed 2 and Batman Arkham Asylum used last fall for about $10 each. Then sold AC2 for $12 and Batman for $9 after I beat them. I basically got paid $2 to play Assassins Creed and only had to pay $1 to play Batman. Good deal for me.
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I hope Sony won't follow suit with Microsoft...my buddy and I trade a lot of games back and forth so I'm not looking forward to the whole "have to buy to play" rule
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So bringing 2K15 to my buddies house to play it is now a no go? Lame.
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I guess I am looking better and better with my Wii U...no no, I get it, I have a 360, as well, and really hope they smarten up. I can't handle dealing with three different game manufacturers and I am never giving up Nintendo first party games :)
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So much for the convenient days of "bring your copy of Madden over and we'll play it"
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I almost always purchase used games or games that are new but have been out for years. I am a Playstation person myself and the VP of Sony said that they would do the right thing, though didn't confirm or deny that they would do it.
My bet is that used games may have some limitations, like only one usage for the first three months the game is released and will make exceptions for places like gamefly that rent games, but won't restrict the use of used games for ever.
I'm with you (Playstation guy also), as I only buy used games or games that have been out a while too, then sell them right after I beat them. Doing it this way, I figured out I basically play games for free or at minimal cost. Example, I bought Assassins Creed 2 and Batman Arkham Asylum used last fall for about $10 each. Then sold AC2 for $12 and Batman for $9 after I beat them. I basically got paid $2 to play Assassins Creed and only had to pay $1 to play Batman. Good deal for me.
I see no reason why manufacturers should care about consumers that they don't make money off of. People who only buy used games are not doing anything unethical, but none of the money goes to hardware producers and none of the money goes to game developers. Services like Gamefly are great for gamers, but probably horrible for game producers. Do devs see a cent from GameStop's trade ins?
On the other hand, I would want games to be cheaper if there is no ability to sell back or trade. As it is, console games don't get the great sales that PC games get on Steam.
Perhaps they could consider a one month game rental system for half price.
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I was gonna do a thread on tha Xbox One - not necessarily this topic - but someone beat me to it. Tha last link you posted monkhouse is a couple of months old. In that article though, it says tha analyst consensus is that both PS4 and "Xbox 720" will play used games.
It has long been rumored that the PS4--along with Microsoft's rumored Xbox 720--will block secondhand titles in some fashion. Sony has even applied for a patent related to blocking used games. However, the analyst consensus is that both platforms will play used games.
But according to a recent interview with Phil Harrison (Microsoft VP), not only is tha Xbox One user friendly, we can still play used games with tha next generation console and take games to a friends house to play. Here's tha link.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/phil-harrison-xbox-one/
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Are they still going to go to this "always on" system?
If they are, no purchase.
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Are they still going to go to this "always on" system?
If they are, no purchase.
It's not a requirement of the system, but individual games may require an always on connection.
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Are they still going to go to this "always on" system?
If they are, no purchase.
It's not a requirement of the system, but individual games may require an always on connection.
Thats my problem. I remember it was hot on the internet that it would ONLY support always on games. If it is, then PS4 it is.
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is anyone else a little upset about the incapability the new xbox will have with used games? basically u install the game to your hard drive and only you and a few in your household can play the game. if a friend borrows it they must buy the game online even if they have the disc! they said they will create a system where you can take that digital content and trade a previously played game at a retail store, DUMB! I dont do it as often but many gamers buy a game play it beat and in a few months or a year trade it in for a new game or swap with a buddy......I'm not a lover of gamestop but this sux!
here is a link:
http://bgr.com/2013/05/22/xbox-one-used-games-sales-policies/
if this kills gamestop, im all for it.
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Are they still going to go to this "always on" system?
If they are, no purchase.
It's not a requirement of the system, but individual games may require an always on connection.
Thats my problem. I remember it was hot on the internet that it would ONLY support always on games. If it is, then PS4 it is.
Right, but that was a false rumor. The Xbox 1 will support off-line play, if the game does.
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Are they still going to go to this "always on" system?
If they are, no purchase.
It's not a requirement of the system, but individual games may require an always on connection.
Thats my problem. I remember it was hot on the internet that it would ONLY support always on games. If it is, then PS4 it is.
Right, but that was a false rumor. The Xbox 1 will support off-line play, if the game does.
Thats great. But going back to that "rumor", it wasnt a rumor. A high management guy tweeted something like "xbox=always on, # dealwithit" sparked an outrage.
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Microsoft released a statement saying that lending and selling of used discs will be allowed and offline gaming for extended periods of time will also be allowed. Seems like they really caved and I am quite happy about it.
My plan is to wait until February to Purchase read all the reviews on both systems etc. but before this announcement i was 99% sure I was getting a PS4, now the game is wide open again.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/19/microsoft-xbox-idUSL2N0EV28S20130619?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologySector&rpc=43
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