« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2020, 01:00:57 PM »
Hayward not picking up his option would be silly to me. He’s not going to make 34 mil this year anywhere else. Regardless of how well or poorly he plays this season, I don’t see him signing less than a 4yr/80 anywhere. A team will give him that even if he’s below average this year.
Hayward looking around isn’t surprising. He may be in the mind set of I just need to move on from Boston. I can’t imagine the pressure he is feeling after his unfortunate string of injuries have derailed his Boston tenure.
However, Hayward opting out and signing elsewhere is the absolute worst case scenario for Boston. We lose a player with max talent potential (key word potential), we get no assets in return, and it doesn’t help our cap situation in any way.
It absolutely kills some Boston sports fans to hear Hayward has max potential still. 17.5/6.5 and 4.5 with his percentages way down the pecking order and they don’t see that as max talent. Riiiight.
#'s are there but durability isn't. He's played in 50% of our games as a Celtic, is that worth max potential? If he's not there when we need him most what good is he?
There has been a lot of questioning "would we have beat ... if Hayward was healthy" the fact we ask that time and time again to me is the problem with Hayward.
Yup. All correct. I just wish people in Boston could admit what’s their when he’s been healthy. It’s like trying to talk politics with people that dislike Hayward. Like “ omg I’m not disagreeing with ya ( to my buddy) he HAS NOT been available. I’m just simply stating what I think he is when healthy. “ Crickets. It’s a conversation ender. There’s such dislike for him people won’t admit that as if the admission from them means he stays. It won’t matter. Danny isn’t listening to any of us. It’s mind boggling.
I don't think anybody really dislikes Hayward - your post is a bit inflammatory and perhaps you are trying to evoke a strong reaction from the hypothetical other side. We all acknowledge that Hayward fits perfectly in our system and has proven he doesn't mind taking a back seat/filling in the gaps. We all realize that it has to have been incredibly frustrating for him to come to a situation where he should be competing for championships, but instead has been rehabbing for much of his time here.
From the perspective of Cs fans, I think most could go either way because while we realize he is a very good player, he has seemingly been cursed from the very beginning with this franchise. Committing long term money to him at a lower AAV could work out very well, but it could also be a disaster.
Per your comments about Ray and Al - Ray Allen left a championship core for less money because he didn't like management (thus, upsetting his teammates); he then hit the shot that essentially won MIA/Lebron a Title. With Al, I think most here believe that we dodged a bullet. If he had gone to any team other than the Sixers or Lakers, we would be wishing him well. Since he went to our rival, of course we are going to root against him; but I think people generally appreciate what he gave to this franchise and will think fondly of him when he has moved on.
except Ray Allen didn't leave a championship core. That is the biggest problem I have with all the Ray Allen hate. Boston was done as a legit contender. It was over. The 11/12 season was the last hurrah and the only reason the Miami series was close at all because Bosh only played in the final 3 games. Once Bosh came back (and was mostly himself) that series was over. And Boston only made it to Miami because Rose blew out his knee against the Sixers allowing the 8th seeded Sixers to make the 2nd round (and Boston barely beat them going 7). Boston wasn't a championship core at that point in time. I mean they won 41 games and lost to the Knicks in the 1st round the next year. Ray Allen didn't make that kind of difference. The team just wasn't a contender when Allen left.
I am really hoping this doesn't turn into a Ray Allen thread and it's why I didn't extrapolate on that point. Ray Allen had won a championship with teammates who supported him for years - he then took half as much money to jump on the Lebron train and join the 'enemy.' To make matters worse, it actually worked out extremely well for him and he was a major cog in making that championship happen. The other Cs went down with the ship (until Danny traded them to a seemingly better situation) while Ray took the first lifeline given to him, 'ditching' his teammates.
I don't hate Ray Allen and time does heal all wounds, but the difference between him leaving and guys like Al or Hayward leaving is enormously different. I was just trying to explain that difference to dannyboy since he brought it up. It was by far the least important part of my post, though.
Except Ray Allen was traded to Memphis. He was actually told that before Memphis backed out after the deal had been agreed upon. Was Al Horford traded? Was Gordon Hayward? The Celtics did Allen wrong (trading him, putting off his extension talks and then low balling him, benching him, etc.) and then were all of a sudden offended the guy they had been slighting decided to leave. I get why KG or PP might have been upset by Ray leaving, but by all accounts they weren't even close (mostly because of Ray it seems), but it just never made any sense why the fans were upset by it. The C's did Ray wrong so he left. Happens all of the time in all walks of life. Your employer screws you, why stick around. That isn't the situation with Horford, who still wanted huge dollars even though he wasn't a huge dollar player, or Hayward who is still in his "prime" though has been a walking injury. The team treated them both very well during their time here. The same can't be said of Allen.
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