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Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2805 on: May 27, 2019, 10:46:19 AM »

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Dieng's contract is genuinely terrible. No thanks. I get not wanting to move Smart, but I wouldn't want to do this.

So many people here are eager to give up on Hayward already

I just dont see Hayward and Irving ever working out.
Maybe, but maybe Hayward returns to All-Star form and we've given him up for nothing. It just makes no sense when his value is at its lowest to move him, and it's something I can't remember DA doing.

Plus, their clashing could be a function of CBS
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Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2806 on: May 27, 2019, 10:49:34 AM »

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You giving Pelicans wayy too much salary when they want to go young and cap free. Plus Deing is trash and many levels. He wouldn’t be worth adding to this team.

Plus pelicans wouldn’t need 8 players. Sheesh

yeah dieng is bad, but that is why you get the 8th pick.

NOP isnt taking on any long term salary as Teague is a 19 mill expiring contact.

Yeah and hill isn’t but they want to get rid of him to. They have no incentive for taking on contracts from players who aren’t useful to them.

Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2807 on: May 27, 2019, 11:05:40 AM »

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Something else I’ve realized. You will never have a trade that everyone will be happy with.

https://tradenba.com/trades/HJeGJEtaE

Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2808 on: May 27, 2019, 11:26:32 AM »

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Something else I’ve realized. You will never have a trade that everyone will be happy with.

https://tradenba.com/trades/HJeGJEtaE
Props for effort, but when has a trade like this ever occurred?
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Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2809 on: May 27, 2019, 11:29:55 AM »

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You giving Pelicans wayy too much salary when they want to go young and cap free. Plus Deing is trash and many levels. He wouldn’t be worth adding to this team.

Plus pelicans wouldn’t need 8 players. Sheesh

yeah dieng is bad, but that is why you get the 8th pick.

NOP isnt taking on any long term salary as Teague is a 19 mill expiring contact.

Yeah and hill isn’t but they want to get rid of him to. They have no incentive for taking on contracts from players who aren’t useful to them.

Teague is a useful player, and will make a very nice asset in a trade come the deadline.

Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2810 on: May 27, 2019, 11:31:01 AM »

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Something else I’ve realized. You will never have a trade that everyone will be happy with.

https://tradenba.com/trades/HJeGJEtaE
Props for effort, but when has a trade like this ever occurred?

Never it won’t ever happen. Don’t think there are enough competent GMs to pull it off. My main goal really was to have Jrue, Smart, and Davis... everything else just fell in place. The dream team would be Jrue, Smart,Brown,Horford, Davis best defensive team ever lol.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2811 on: May 27, 2019, 01:14:32 PM »

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What about:

Kyrie S&T to Brooklyn for Crabbe and #17

Why?

Free agent capspace, this would allow for Brooklyn to make an offer at ANOTHER max free agent (Durant)

Irving
Levert
Harris
Durant
Allen

Easily a threat to leave the east.


Boston now has pick 11 and an 18.5 mill expiring deal in Crabbe.

so on to the Pelicans.

Crabbe, Hayward, Tatum, Yabusele, Pick 17, pick 22, Pick 51, Memphis Pick 2020

for
Jrue, Davis, Moore

NOP shed long term salary commitment with having Hayward expire a year early, and add huge expirings for this season. (should look at expiring and a pick for Conley?

Move will keep them competitive and adds a huge amount of assets.

Crabbe
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle/Okafor


Boston reshifts focus to defense and balanced offensive attacks.

Jrue/MLE - Beverley/Wannamaker
Smart/Moore/Thybulle
Brown/lle - Carter/Semi
Horford/resign - Morris/draft
Davis/Baynes/Williams

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2812 on: May 27, 2019, 01:38:19 PM »

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What about:

Kyrie S&T to Brooklyn for Crabbe and #17

Why?

Free agent capspace, this would allow for Brooklyn to make an offer at ANOTHER max free agent (Durant)

Irving
Levert
Harris
Durant
Allen

Easily a threat to leave the east.


Boston now has pick 11 and an 18.5 mill expiring deal in Crabbe.

so on to the Pelicans.

Crabbe, Hayward, Tatum, Yabusele, Pick 17, pick 22, Pick 51, Memphis Pick 2020

for
Jrue, Davis, Moore

NOP shed long term salary commitment with having Hayward expire a year early, and add huge expirings for this season. (should look at expiring and a pick for Conley?

Move will keep them competitive and adds a huge amount of assets.

Crabbe
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle/Okafor


Boston reshifts focus to defense and balanced offensive attacks.

Jrue/MLE - Beverley/Wannamaker
Smart/Moore/Thybulle
Brown/lle - Carter/Semi
Horford/resign - Morris/draft
Davis/Baynes/Williams

If you was the Pelicans GM and you know you have Zion coming, your #1 goal is to surround him with players who are around his timeline. Yes Jrue and AD have large contracts but they aren’t bad contracts. They aren’t bad because AD is MVP caliber and Jrue has been 1st team All-Defense 2 years in a row and they are both young.

Tell me why you (the Pelicans GM) would want Hayward who is bout 5 year older than both Jrue and Holiday? Right now Hayward’s contract is a “bad” contract you do understand that right? They can get real value for Jrue, by flipping him to the numerous teams who need PG’s.

You can help yourself out by showing the lineup of both teams and you will see how the Pelicans aren’t coming out well for giving away 2 great players.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2813 on: May 27, 2019, 01:39:43 PM »

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What about:

Kyrie S&T to Brooklyn for Crabbe and #17

Why?

Free agent capspace, this would allow for Brooklyn to make an offer at ANOTHER max free agent (Durant)

Irving
Levert
Harris
Durant
Allen

Easily a threat to leave the east.


Boston now has pick 11 and an 18.5 mill expiring deal in Crabbe.

so on to the Pelicans.

Crabbe, Hayward, Tatum, Yabusele, Pick 17, pick 22, Pick 51, Memphis Pick 2020

for
Jrue, Davis, Moore

NOP shed long term salary commitment with having Hayward expire a year early, and add huge expirings for this season. (should look at expiring and a pick for Conley?

Move will keep them competitive and adds a huge amount of assets.

Crabbe
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle/Okafor


Boston reshifts focus to defense and balanced offensive attacks.

Jrue/MLE - Beverley/Wannamaker
Smart/Moore/Thybulle
Brown/lle - Carter/Semi
Horford/resign - Morris/draft
Davis/Baynes/Williams

If you was the Pelicans GM and you know you have Zion coming, your #1 goal is to surround him with players who are around his timeline. Yes Jrue and AD have large contracts but they aren’t bad contracts. They aren’t bad because AD is MVP caliber and Jrue has been 1st team All-Defense 2 years in a row and they are both young.

Tell me why you (the Pelicans GM) would want Hayward who is bout 5 year older than both Jrue and Holiday? Right now Hayward’s contract is a “bad” contract you do understand that right? They can get real value for Jrue, by flipping him to the numerous teams who need PG’s.

You can help yourself out by showing the lineup of both teams and you will see how the Pelicans aren’t coming out well for giving away 2 great players. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince that the team you put together for the Pelicans as competitive but it’s far from that.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2814 on: May 27, 2019, 01:46:26 PM »

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What about:

Kyrie S&T to Brooklyn for Crabbe and #17

Why?

Free agent capspace, this would allow for Brooklyn to make an offer at ANOTHER max free agent (Durant)

Irving
Levert
Harris
Durant
Allen

Easily a threat to leave the east.


Boston now has pick 11 and an 18.5 mill expiring deal in Crabbe.

so on to the Pelicans.

Crabbe, Hayward, Tatum, Yabusele, Pick 17, pick 22, Pick 51, Memphis Pick 2020

for
Jrue, Davis, Moore

NOP shed long term salary commitment with having Hayward expire a year early, and add huge expirings for this season. (should look at expiring and a pick for Conley?

Move will keep them competitive and adds a huge amount of assets.

Crabbe
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle/Okafor


Boston reshifts focus to defense and balanced offensive attacks.

Jrue/MLE - Beverley/Wannamaker
Smart/Moore/Thybulle
Brown/lle - Carter/Semi
Horford/resign - Morris/draft
Davis/Baynes/Williams

If you was the Pelicans GM and you know you have Zion coming, your #1 goal is to surround him with players who are around his timeline. Yes Jrue and AD have large contracts but they aren’t bad contracts. They aren’t bad because AD is MVP caliber and Jrue has been 1st team All-Defense 2 years in a row and they are both young.

Tell me why you (the Pelicans GM) would want Hayward who is bout 5 year older than both Jrue and Holiday? Right now Hayward’s contract is a “bad” contract you do understand that right? They can get real value for Jrue, by flipping him to the numerous teams who need PG’s.

You can help yourself out by showing the lineup of both teams and you will see how the Pelicans aren’t coming out well for giving away 2 great players.

Cause Hayward is a bad fit here, not a bad asset.

He is a good asset still.

And the haul that the Pelicans are getting his massive, and add to that they would have 30 mill in expirings between hill and Crabbe in 19-20 and assuming Haywards Opts INTO the final year he would be a 34 million dollar expiring deal in the 20-21 season.

So for now he is a mentor for your young studs in Tatum and Zion, and he and the other expirings allow for adding to them over the next couple of years.

And I did show the lineups

Pelicans would place around where they did this season, but I doubt they expect to make the playoffs in 2020 with trading away Davis, so that is moot, instead they are looking at growing and adding assets. 70 mill in expirings who are smart, serviceable players to add to all that youth is a good thing

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2815 on: May 27, 2019, 02:26:14 PM »

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What about:

Kyrie S&T to Brooklyn for Crabbe and #17

Why?

Free agent capspace, this would allow for Brooklyn to make an offer at ANOTHER max free agent (Durant)

Irving
Levert
Harris
Durant
Allen

Easily a threat to leave the east.


Boston now has pick 11 and an 18.5 mill expiring deal in Crabbe.

so on to the Pelicans.

Crabbe, Hayward, Tatum, Yabusele, Pick 17, pick 22, Pick 51, Memphis Pick 2020

for
Jrue, Davis, Moore

NOP shed long term salary commitment with having Hayward expire a year early, and add huge expirings for this season. (should look at expiring and a pick for Conley?

Move will keep them competitive and adds a huge amount of assets.

Crabbe
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle/Okafor


Boston reshifts focus to defense and balanced offensive attacks.

Jrue/MLE - Beverley/Wannamaker
Smart/Moore/Thybulle
Brown/lle - Carter/Semi
Horford/resign - Morris/draft
Davis/Baynes/Williams

If you was the Pelicans GM and you know you have Zion coming, your #1 goal is to surround him with players who are around his timeline. Yes Jrue and AD have large contracts but they aren’t bad contracts. They aren’t bad because AD is MVP caliber and Jrue has been 1st team All-Defense 2 years in a row and they are both young.

Tell me why you (the Pelicans GM) would want Hayward who is bout 5 year older than both Jrue and Holiday? Right now Hayward’s contract is a “bad” contract you do understand that right? They can get real value for Jrue, by flipping him to the numerous teams who need PG’s.

You can help yourself out by showing the lineup of both teams and you will see how the Pelicans aren’t coming out well for giving away 2 great players.

Cause Hayward is a bad fit here, not a bad asset.

He is a good asset still.

And the haul that the Pelicans are getting his massive, and add to that they would have 30 mill in expirings between hill and Crabbe in 19-20 and assuming Haywards Opts INTO the final year he would be a 34 million dollar expiring deal in the 20-21 season.

So for now he is a mentor for your young studs in Tatum and Zion, and he and the other expirings allow for adding to them over the next couple of years.

And I did show the lineups

Pelicans would place around where they did this season, but I doubt they expect to make the playoffs in 2020 with trading away Davis, so that is moot, instead they are looking at growing and adding assets. 70 mill in expirings who are smart, serviceable players to add to all that youth is a good thing

I understand Hayward will get better, but you have to understand how NO trading for a 30 year old makes no sense. You also have to understand how NO wouldn’t be chasing expiring contracts but instead would be chasing young talent. They can find a muuuch cheaper mentor (Vince carter) if that’s your angle.

Just imagine things were flipped. Is this the team you want for your Celtics? If the answer is yes, then I have nothing more to say.

Crabbe
Hayward
Tatum
Zion
Randle/Okafor

This team completely lacks a PG. Who are you building around with this team? Does this look like a team that’s built around Zion? Tatum? 

In my humble opinion you are better off trading to the Lakers because you are getting a PG (Lonzo) and a scorer (Ingram) and even a 4th Pick and just had to get rid of Davis for that.

Now they have this Jrue Holiday guy, what to do with him? Trade to a team who needs a PG, Magic? Suns? Bulls? All which have great draft picks and cap space for an easy trade. see how easy it was to go young without taking back unnecessary bad contracts?

Your main issue is you are saying Hayward is a bad “fit” whereas that’s not his issue. His issue is he’s not physically/Mentally ready yet and that’s what just about every team will see. You want to get rid of Hayward, and I understand that. You got to try harder to move him then sticking him o a Pelicans team who is trying a youth movement.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2816 on: May 27, 2019, 03:02:01 PM »

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Just don't get where any team would take on Hayward at this point. He isn't an expiring contract. He is owed $67 million over two years and if recent play is any indicator, the team trading for him has to figure he is no better than a very inconsistent bench role player.

That means he has major net negative value. No team is taking him on without the Celtics also sending a major draft asset to do it.

Also, Silky, why do you add the most unlikely trade, a sign and trade, into every trade proposal? The sign and trade is a dinosaur of a trade. It is not going to happen for max level players unless that player is trying to get to a team that can't otherwise sign him. You need to accept that GMs, players and agents in the NBA look at sign and trades as an absolute last resort to get a player somewhere, not as a 1st option. There is just very little incentive for players or teams to agree to do them.

Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2817 on: May 27, 2019, 03:04:05 PM »

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If Minnesota is involved it would be interesting for the Pelicans to try to get Towns by giving up Zion. The value of an undisputed #1 pick is at an alltime high around draft night, why not capitalize on that? With Towns you have a guaranteed star, who's only 23 and can still become a superstar.

Just look at this year's numbers (quite amazing):

Karl-Anthony Towns 24.4 PTS/ 12.4 REB / 3.4 AST / 1.6 BLK, while shooting: 56 (2FG%) / 40 (3FG%) / 84 (FT%) = 62,2 TS%

Group of players (FGM>8 and TS%>60%): Antetokounmpo, Curry, Durant, Towns, Harden, Leonard
Group of players (PPG>20, REB>10, BLK>1): Antetokounmpo, Embiid, Davis, Towns, Vucevic
Group of players (2FG%>52, 3FG%>37, FGA>12): Curry, Bogdanovic, Towns, Irving, Harris, Leonard


With the failed Butler experience and the stagnation of Wiggins, I'm sure Minnesota knows they aren't contending any time soon. Get Zion and create a new window, before you're pushed into the position of having to sell Towns anyway, since he wants to compete.

I don't want the Celtics to give up Smart (and Williams), but I think that they'll be made available. The Pelicans could build around Tatum and Towns, who're both versatile scorers inside and outside, and have potential to get better on defense.

New Orleans Pelicans
in:   Towns, Covington, Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick         
out:   Davis, Hill, #1 pick         
               
Boston Celtics
in:   Davis         
out:   Tatum, Smart, Williams, Yabusele, #20 pick, Memphis pick         
               
Minnesota Timberwolves   
in:   Hill, Yabusele, #1 pick, #20 pick         
out:   Towns, Covington         

New Pelicans rotation:

PG: Smart, Payton (re-sign), Jackson
SG: Holiday, Moore, #39 Windler
SF: Tatum, Covington, K. Williams 
PF: Randle (re-sign), Wood, Diallo
C: Towns, Okafor, R.Williams
« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 03:15:35 PM by RodyTur10 »

Re: New trade idea...Minny, Boston, NOP
« Reply #2818 on: May 27, 2019, 03:10:24 PM »

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If Minnesota is involved it would be interesting for the Pelicans to try to get Towns by giving up Zion. The value of an undisputed #1 pick is at an alltime high around draft night, why not capitalize on that? With Towns you have a guaranteed star, who's only 23 and can still become a superstar.

Just look at this year's numbers (quite amazing):

Karl-Anthony Towns 24.4 PTS/ 12.4 REB / 3.4 AST / 1.6 BLK, while shooting: 56 (2FG%) / 40 (3FG%) / 84 (FT%) = 62,2 TS%

Group of players (FGM>8 and TS%>60%): Antetokounmpo, Curry, Durant, Towns, Harden, Leonard
Group of players (PPG>20, REB>10, BLK>1): Antetokounmpo, Embiid, Davis, Towns, Vucevic
Group of players (2FG%>52, 3FG%>37, FGA>12): Curry, Bogdanovic, Towns, Irving, Harris, Leonard


With the failed Butler experience and the stagnation of Wiggins, I'm sure Minnesota knows they aren't contending any time soon. Get Zion and create a new window, before you're pushed into the position of having to sell Towns anyway, since he wants to compete.

I don't want the Celtics to give up Smart (and Williams), but I think that they'll be made available. The Pelicans could build around Tatum and Towns, who're both versatile scorers inside and outside, and have potential to get better on defense.

New Orleans Pelicans
in:   Towns, Covington, Tatum, Smart, Williams, Memphis pick         
out:   Davis, Hill         
               
Boston Celtics
in:   Davis         
out:   Tatum, Smart, Williams, Yabusele, #20 pick, Memphis pick         
               
Minnesota Timberwolves   
in:   Hill, Yabusele, #1 pick, #20 pick         
out:   Towns, Covington         

New Pelicans rotation:

PG: Smart, Payton (re-sign), Jackson
SG: Holiday, Moore, #39 Windler
SF: Tatum, Covington, K. Williams 
PF: Randle (re-sign), Wood, Diallo
C: Towns, Okafor, R.Williams

Yes that’s a good looking team the Pels have, but Zion sells tickets. Yes I know winning does to, but win or lose Zion sells tickets and you can’t trade that.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2819 on: May 27, 2019, 03:20:28 PM »

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Just don't get where any team would take on Hayward at this point. He isn't an expiring contract. He is owed $67 million over two years and if recent play is any indicator, the team trading for him has to figure he is no better than a very inconsistent bench role player.

That means he has major net negative value. No team is taking him on without the Celtics also sending a major draft asset to do it.

Also, Silky, why do you add the most unlikely trade, a sign and trade, into every trade proposal? The sign and trade is a dinosaur of a trade. It is not going to happen for max level players unless that player is trying to get to a team that can't otherwise sign him. You need to accept that GMs, players and agents in the NBA look at sign and trades as an absolute last resort to get a player somewhere, not as a 1st option. There is just very little incentive for players or teams to agree to do them.

Well I just don’t agree with that completely. Hayward now has an entire offseason to just work on his game and not worry much about his injury, so he’s expected to come back better. Teams who could use a High IQ scorer could take a “flier” on him. (Houston, OKC,Cavs) There are also teams who just need any glimpse of a star and who can compete with a solo star they already have. (Pacers,Miami) then there is a team who has just about everything they need but a veteran scorer and they would also be BETTING on Hayward to come to All-Star form (Mavericks, Suns) Lastly there is the team who sees Gordon as a fan favorite and value you him higher than most teams because every time they see Gordon he’s getting Buckets!, plus they have a big long term contract on their hands. (Timberwolves)

I don’t see Hayward as chopped liver like many people do. Nor do I have such a low value on Rozier.