Cooper Flagg

[tazzmaniac]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird? 

[smicker16]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

[tazzmaniac]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

I was meaning after Bird retired in 1992.  If Kevin Love is the best there is in 33 years that's nuts but I can't think of anyone better.  Really nuts when there has been Nash, Dirk, Ginobli, Jokic and Luka from the foreign side.  Then you could start the bench with the Gasol brothers.  Of course, I'm excluding mixed race but Blake Griffin ought to count in the white column. 

[Goldstar88]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

Flagg is on a different level athletically, though. I think that?s what Melo was trying to say. Flagg is 6?9 SF with a 36 inch vertical leap. I?m not sure we?ve seen that before.

[tazzmaniac]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

Flagg is on a different level athletically, though. I think that?s what Melo was trying to say. Flagg is 6?9 SF with a 36 inch vertical leap. I?m not sure we?ve seen that before.

Melo said we haven't seen it for a long time not that we haven't seen it before.  I think he's referring to his overall skillset and ability to be a top player in the league.  Flagg measured 6'7.75" at the combine.  36" max vert isn't special.  Pat Connaughton is a couple inches shorter but he had a 44" max vert and a 37.5" standing vert.  And he definitely can dunk. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzWuaDPS-o&t=171s 

[Who]

We have had a few athletic white players in the interim years and we have had a bunch of skillful white players. What we haven't had is a player who is both athletic and skillful. That is Cooper Flagg. That is what separates him. He has both.

[Goldstar88]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

Flagg is on a different level athletically, though. I think that?s what Melo was trying to say. Flagg is 6?9 SF with a 36 inch vertical leap. I?m not sure we?ve seen that before.

Melo said we haven't seen it for a long time not that we haven't seen it before.  I think he's referring to his overall skillset and ability to be a top player in the league.  Flagg measured 6'7.75" at the combine.  36" max vert isn't special.  Pat Connaughton is a couple inches shorter but he had a 44" max vert and a 37.5" standing vert.  And he definitely can dunk. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzWuaDPS-o&t=171s

Pat Canaughton is a 6?4? guard. He?s not a 6?9 SF. Like I said, we haven?t seen it before.

[tazzmaniac]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

Flagg is on a different level athletically, though. I think that?s what Melo was trying to say. Flagg is 6?9 SF with a 36 inch vertical leap. I?m not sure we?ve seen that before.

Melo said we haven't seen it for a long time not that we haven't seen it before.  I think he's referring to his overall skillset and ability to be a top player in the league.  Flagg measured 6'7.75" at the combine.  36" max vert isn't special.  Pat Connaughton is a couple inches shorter but he had a 44" max vert and a 37.5" standing vert.  And he definitely can dunk. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzWuaDPS-o&t=171s

Pat Canaughton is a 6?4? guard. He?s not a 6?9 SF. Like I said, we haven?t seen it before.

As I posted, Flagg isn't 6'9".  He measured 6'7.75" at the combine while Connaughton measured 6'5.25".  And you completely ignore that Connaughton's standing vert 37.5" was more than Flagg's max vert 35.5" and his standing vert was only 29".  Cody Zeller (6'10", 230lbs) had a 35.5" standing vert and 37.5" max vert.  These numbers are from nba.com. 
   

[Goldstar88]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

Flagg is on a different level athletically, though. I think that?s what Melo was trying to say. Flagg is 6?9 SF with a 36 inch vertical leap. I?m not sure we?ve seen that before.

Melo said we haven't seen it for a long time not that we haven't seen it before.  I think he's referring to his overall skillset and ability to be a top player in the league.  Flagg measured 6'7.75" at the combine.  36" max vert isn't special.  Pat Connaughton is a couple inches shorter but he had a 44" max vert and a 37.5" standing vert.  And he definitely can dunk. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzWuaDPS-o&t=171s

Pat Canaughton is a 6?4? guard. He?s not a 6?9 SF. Like I said, we haven?t seen it before.

As I posted, Flagg isn't 6'9".  He measured 6'7.75" at the combine while Connaughton measured 6'5.25".  And you completely ignore that Connaughton's standing vert 37.5" was more than Flagg's max vert 35.5" and his standing vert was only 29".  Cody Zeller (6'10", 230lbs) had a 35.5" standing vert and 37.5" max vert.  These numbers are from nba.com. 
 

So you are posting Flaggs height without shoes and Connaughtons height with shoes. 
Pat measured 6?4 without shoes and is a Guard. Also, Cooper could still be growing, turned 18 in December.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2015-16&dir=A&sort=PLAYER_NAME

[freshinthehouse]

Luke Jackson and Joe Alexander also had very good vertical leap measurements.  I remember both of them being the darlings of their respective pre-draft combines.

[dannyboy35]

Well, Melo is sold on him. 


Carmelo Anthony: Ace Bailey? we?ve seen Ace before. That?s why it?s not talked about like that. We?ve seen Ace. We?ve seen Paul Georgee. We?ve seen Kevin Garnett. We?ve seen Tracy McGrady. We?ve seen Mellos. We?ve seen Jayson Tatum. Like, we?ve seen Ace. That?s why he?s not being talked about. That doesn?t take anything away from him, but visually we?ve seen him, right? We haven?t seen and not to make this black and white but we haven?t seen a white boy like that in a long f?? time. Right. That?s when you know he really good. That?s when you know Cooper Flagg really good.

More specifically a really good white American player.  There's been top tier white foreign players but who has been the best white American player since Bird?

Probably Stockton? After him though is it Kevin Love? That does feel wild.

Flagg is on a different level athletically, though. I think that?s what Melo was trying to say. Flagg is 6?9 SF with a 36 inch vertical leap. I?m not sure we?ve seen that before.

    Larry?s era mostly but Tom Chambers shoutout.

[Roy H.]

Luke Jackson and Joe Alexander also had very good vertical leap measurements.  I remember both of them being the darlings of their respective pre-draft combines.

Brent Barry was the ultimate "white American" athlete that never took the next step putting it all together.

[Goldstar88]

The Athletic ranked Duke forward Cooper Flagg as the second-best NBA prospect of the past decade, trailing only 7-foot-4 French superstar Victor Wembanyama.

The criteria for the list was based on how draft expert Sam Vecenie graded the players when they entered the draft. How the players ended up faring in the NBA was not part of the criteria. Rutgers guard Dylan Harper was the only college player besides Flagg to make the list.

Flagg beat out several NBA stars including Ja Morant, Luka Doncic, and Jayson Tatum.

Vecenie lauded Flagg for his competitiveness and versatile skill-set, calling the Maine native a ?highly-skilled mismatch nightmare.

He plays hard all the time and is relentless in his aggression on both ends, Vecenie wrote. He gives energy to his teammates and is all sorts of tough and fearless. He?s the easiest person to buy into becoming a winning basketball player because he amplifies those around him.

Outside of Wembanyama, Flagg has the best combination of a ridiculously high floor and also a ridiculously high ceiling if everything goes right in his development. He has a chance to become the next apex wing in the NBA.

[Who]

The Athletic ranked Duke forward Cooper Flagg as the second-best NBA prospect of the past decade, trailing only 7-foot-4 French superstar Victor Wembanyama.

The criteria for the list was based on how draft expert Sam Vecenie graded the players when they entered the draft. How the players ended up faring in the NBA was not part of the criteria. Rutgers guard Dylan Harper was the only college player besides Flagg to make the list.

Flagg beat out several NBA stars including Ja Morant, Luka Doncic, and Jayson Tatum.

Vecenie lauded Flagg for his competitiveness and versatile skill-set, calling the Maine native a ?highly-skilled mismatch nightmare.

He plays hard all the time and is relentless in his aggression on both ends, Vecenie wrote. He gives energy to his teammates and is all sorts of tough and fearless. He?s the easiest person to buy into becoming a winning basketball player because he amplifies those around him.

Outside of Wembanyama, Flagg has the best combination of a ridiculously high floor and also a ridiculously high ceiling if everything goes right in his development. He has a chance to become the next apex wing in the NBA.

#1 picks

C Flagg
Risacher
Wemby
Banchero
Cade
Ant
Zion
Ayton
Fultz
Ben Simmons
Towns
Wiggins
A Bennett
AD = 2012

Okay, so post-AD. Not including him.

Cooper Flagg has a strong case. Zion stands out to me as someone who has an argument against Cooper Flagg.

Ben Simmons has a bit of a case too although I would give Flagg the edge due to jump-shooting. Interesting though. I think B Simmons would be #4 prospect of the last 13 years behind Wemby, Flagg, Zion. In terms of what they were entering the NBA.

[JBcat]

The Athletic ranked Duke forward Cooper Flagg as the second-best NBA prospect of the past decade, trailing only 7-foot-4 French superstar Victor Wembanyama.

The criteria for the list was based on how draft expert Sam Vecenie graded the players when they entered the draft. How the players ended up faring in the NBA was not part of the criteria. Rutgers guard Dylan Harper was the only college player besides Flagg to make the list.

Flagg beat out several NBA stars including Ja Morant, Luka Doncic, and Jayson Tatum.

Vecenie lauded Flagg for his competitiveness and versatile skill-set, calling the Maine native a ?highly-skilled mismatch nightmare.

He plays hard all the time and is relentless in his aggression on both ends, Vecenie wrote. He gives energy to his teammates and is all sorts of tough and fearless. He?s the easiest person to buy into becoming a winning basketball player because he amplifies those around him.

Outside of Wembanyama, Flagg has the best combination of a ridiculously high floor and also a ridiculously high ceiling if everything goes right in his development. He has a chance to become the next apex wing in the NBA.

#1 picks

C Flagg
Risacher
Wemby
Banchero
Cade
Ant
Zion
Ayton
Fultz
Ben Simmons
Towns
Wiggins
A Bennett
AD = 2012

Okay, so post-AD. Not including him.

Cooper Flagg has a strong case. Zion stands out to me as someone who has an argument against Cooper Flagg.

Ben Simmons has a bit of a case too although I would give Flagg the edge due to jump-shooting. Interesting though. I think B Simmons would be #4 prospect of the last 13 years behind Wemby, Flagg, Zion. In terms of what they were entering the NBA.

I wonder if B Simmons will even be in the league next year. He ended the season so poorly with the Clippers and fell out of the playoff rotation.