The Bash Danny Ainge thread

[__ramonezy__]

Not sure exactly how Danny failed here... AD and his representation made it clear they didn't want to be here and we just saw the lengths he was willing to go to disrupt the Pels.

When talking about who we should get, too often the boards make it seem like the players themselves don't have a choice as well.

Pretend if you want, but Kyrie is the weirdest cat in the NBA, flat earth, hermetic friends and all. Kawhi is a low/no-maintenance star that bought in. Looking at the Raptors you just need one star, which for us could be JT or JB or Hayward and solid complimentary pieces. So we may not be as far as expected.

[flybono]

What’s the game plan going forward?

[Moranis]

Ainge failed in that he didn't correctly read the room at the deadline.  He should have known Irving wasn't happy.  He should have listened when Davis said he didn't want to be here.  He should have done something to try to fix the locker-room (to appease Irving) and make the team better since the conference was wide open for the first time in years. 

Ainge failed in that he didn't do anything to improve the roster since the Irving trade 2 years ago.  The team was stuck in neutral and not very good and Ainge didn't do anything to fix it.  Sometimes you have to make a trade just to change the culture. This team needed a culture change.

Ainge failed in that for years we kept hearing about Ainge acquiring a superstar.  That was Ainge's plan, and yet when superstar after superstar became available, the only one he really went after was BY FAR the weakest of the superstars.  Can't give up Smart, Crowder, and a late 1st for George.  Can't give up Brown for Leonard or Butler.  Have to save the assets for Davis.  Then can't give up Tatum for Davis. 

Ainge failed.  Period. 

[iadera]

In short, Ainge failed. Amen.

[Sketch5]

In short, Ainge failed. Amen.

Did you see that trade package out side the players? Thats a Franchise killer. Look at Brooklyn.

If DA made that same move gave up Brown and Tatum, Smart, and all those picks and AD bolted anyways, Irving would have demaned a trade buy the deadline of the following year, and we would have Hayward and an Old Horford left.

Even if we got to keep Brown, it really isn't enough to build around when you have to swap picks every other year and the ping pong ball doesn't bounce you way.

It's more the league failed allowing players to have this much control of what they can and chan't do.

[tenn_smoothie]

Thank You Danny for not being blinded by the dazzle of a superstar who did not want to be here. If Danny trades for Anthony Davis, he will leave in free agency after one season and we will be left with a 9th or 10th seed team because we would have given away our young, talented core.

"Danny Failed" ?   I don't think so.

[SHAQATTACK]

What’s the game plan going forward?

first get a new GM and then tank for a big man .

He pee'd away the season , screwed the players , the fans signed nobody to help us battle , and then he decides not to follow though with his trade .....all for nothing .   Brain dead .

Time for new GM folks ....his time is past

[tenn_smoothie]

What did he fail at?

The boo hoos are so silly. Are people this upset over AD NOT WANTING to come play in Boston?

He didn't want to be here and I didnt want to sit through a season of listening him pouting because he wants to be in LA.

Bingo. We have a good team and five first round picks.

We have some nice young players and plenty of ways to build a fun, solid, sustainable team.

Do we have a realistic or obvious path to contention?

Absolutely. Ainge did the right thing and he did not "lose his nerve".

[SHAQATTACK]

treadmill here we come 40 win seasons for next 10 years , back to lottery .  All that rebuild ...no nada ...wasted 10 years

Just tank and get it over with .  ...but fire Danny quick . 

[SHAQATTACK]

Ainge failed in that he didn't correctly read the room at the deadline.  He should have known Irving wasn't happy.  He should have listened when Davis said he didn't want to be here.  He should have done something to try to fix the locker-room (to appease Irving) and make the team better since the conference was wide open for the first time in years. 

Ainge failed in that he didn't do anything to improve the roster since the Irving trade 2 years ago.  The team was stuck in neutral and not very good and Ainge didn't do anything to fix it.  Sometimes you have to make a trade just to change the culture. This team needed a culture change.

Ainge failed in that for years we kept hearing about Ainge acquiring a superstar.  That was Ainge's plan, and yet when superstar after superstar became available, the only one he really went after was BY FAR the weakest of the superstars.  Can't give up Smart, Crowder, and a late 1st for George.  Can't give up Brown for Leonard or Butler.  Have to save the assets for Davis.  Then can't give up Tatum for Davis. 

Ainge failed.  Period.

yes he did .  big time.

[__ramonezy__]

Ainge failed in that he didn't correctly read the room at the deadline.  He should have known Irving wasn't happy.  He should have listened when Davis said he didn't want to be here.  He should have done something to try to fix the locker-room (to appease Irving) and make the team better since the conference was wide open for the first time in years. 

Ainge failed in that he didn't do anything to improve the roster since the Irving trade 2 years ago.  The team was stuck in neutral and not very good and Ainge didn't do anything to fix it.  Sometimes you have to make a trade just to change the culture. This team needed a culture change.

Ainge failed in that for years we kept hearing about Ainge acquiring a superstar.  That was Ainge's plan, and yet when superstar after superstar became available, the only one he really went after was BY FAR the weakest of the superstars.  Can't give up Smart, Crowder, and a late 1st for George.  Can't give up Brown for Leonard or Butler.  Have to save the assets for Davis.  Then can't give up Tatum for Davis. 

Ainge failed.  Period.

I guess we all earn the right to vent... but most of what you're saying is simply short-sighted. You can't say that Ainge failed to get a "superstar" when he traded the majority of our starting lineup for Kyrie and if you don't consider Kyrie a superstar then why should Ainge "fix the locker room" by appeasing Kyrie.

I do agree with you 100% when you said "sometimes you gotta make a trade to change the culture" and based on the final months of Kyrie and what I saw from AD with his "Thats All Folks" T-shirt... that is not a "culture" I want to build around. It didn't work, we move on and look for the next opportunity.

[celticinorlando]

Ainge is arrogant. Always has been. Not tweaking the roster in the offseason and then not making a move at the deadline was just dumb.

Don't mind him gettin Kyrie but he should have moved Rozier over the summer. Him not seeing that would be an issue was shortsighted.

Biggest failure to me is overvaluing Jaylon Brown. Should have made a deal with the Spurs for Leonard. But he was "saving" everything for Davis and well now we will have basically a college team with a broken down useless Gordon Hayward.

Boston will be scrappy and a tough out but not near the level we expected nor Danny thought at this point.

I expect this to be Danny's last year as he retires. He made the right call not to trade for Davis. But it is all the steps over the last year leading up to it i have an issue with.

[KGs Knee]

Ainge failed in that he didn't correctly read the room at the deadline.  He should have known Irving wasn't happy.  He should have listened when Davis said he didn't want to be here.  He should have done something to try to fix the locker-room (to appease Irving) and make the team better since the conference was wide open for the first time in years. 

Ainge failed in that he didn't do anything to improve the roster since the Irving trade 2 years ago.  The team was stuck in neutral and not very good and Ainge didn't do anything to fix it.  Sometimes you have to make a trade just to change the culture. This team needed a culture change.

Ainge failed in that for years we kept hearing about Ainge acquiring a superstar.  That was Ainge's plan, and yet when superstar after superstar became available, the only one he really went after was BY FAR the weakest of the superstars.  Can't give up Smart, Crowder, and a late 1st for George.  Can't give up Brown for Leonard or Butler.  Have to save the assets for Davis.  Then can't give up Tatum for Davis. 

Ainge failed.  Period. 

Yup. Ainge has to own this, he blew it big time.

And Kyrie is justified in wanting to leave at this point. Ainge failed at his job, Stevens is incapable of relating to star players, and the fan base is full of scum bags intent on running Kyrie out of town. Kyrie would be an idiot to waste his best years here.

This team isn't worthy of my time nor attention right now. I'll come back to the team when Wyc gets his stuff together and gets some people running the team that are competent. Ainge has lost his fastball and seems content to rest on his laurels while the Lakers pass us in titles. Stevens is a college coach pretending to be an NBA coach despite clearly being in over his head.

It's utterly disgraceful they way things have transpired the last few seasons. And worst of all, we're probably stuck with Terry Turd as our starting PG for the near future.

[__ramonezy__]

Ainge is arrogant. Always has been. Not tweaking the roster in the offseason and then not making a move at the deadline was just dumb.

Don't mind him gettin Kyrie but he should have moved Rozier over the summer. Him not seeing that would be an issue was shortsighted.

Biggest failure to me is overvaluing Jaylon Brown. Should have made a deal with the Spurs for Leonard. But he was "saving" everything for Davis and well now we will have basically a college team with a broken down useless Gordon Hayward.

Boston will be scrappy and a tough out but not near the level we expected nor Danny thought at this point.

I expect this to be Danny's last year as he retires. He made the right call not to trade for Davis. But it is all the steps over the last year leading up to it i have an issue with.

Team makes game 7 of ECF and is expected to add two All-Star players, but the complaint is that he should have "tweaked" the roster in the off-season?

[ETNCeltics]

lol clowns with their strawmen arguments.

Was there a "path to contention" for Toronto before one of the game's top players became unexpectedly available at a relatively cheap price tag?

Did Milwaukee have one before they found one of the best players in the world in the middle of the 1st round?

Yes, we may already have one in Jayson. But if he's not, we still have some assets that will allow us to strike if a great opportunity (a guy who isn't on a one year deal, and doesn't publicly denounce Boston) becomes available.

Trading for AD would have been flat out stupid. It would've taken most everything of value we have, and left us little to rebuild with after he bolts a year from now.