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Title: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Chris22 on March 16, 2018, 11:39:58 PM
I ask you guys who know more than I do about these things.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: CelticsElite on March 17, 2018, 12:31:08 AM
Not sure. Saltlover know?

I think we might be choosing between baynes or Monroe


But I’ve been liking what I’m seeing from Morris a lot 
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: MJohnnyboy on March 17, 2018, 12:34:39 AM
The Mid-Level Exception. It can go as high as $8.4 million, but because of the cap crunch, teams hoping to avoid the tax will offer around $5 million at most.

Whether Monroe comes back depends on if the Celtics want him back. I highly doubt Moose will have big offers this summer since most teams already have a center either to help them win now or in the future. I think the reason why he opted for Boston over New Orleans was because he knows the money has dried up, so he'll take the most money he can get.

I think the MLE will either be used on him or Baynes because there isn't a need for both. Personally, I'm in the "Bring Back Moose" camp.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Chris22 on March 17, 2018, 12:38:52 AM
The Mid-Level Exception. It can go as high as $8.4 million, but because of the cap crunch, teams hoping to avoid the tax will offer around $5 million at most.

Whether Monroe comes back depends on if the Celtics want him back. I highly doubt Moose will have big offers this summer since most teams already have a center either to help them win now or in the future. I think the reason why he opted for Boston over New Orleans was because he knows the money has dried up, so he'll take the most money he can get.

I think the MLE will either be used on him or Baynes because there isn't a need for both. Personally, I'm in the "Bring Back Moose" camp.

It's just so nice to see a Celtic who can bully the opposition on offense.
We haven't had that in a long time.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 17, 2018, 01:50:14 AM
The Mid-Level Exception. It can go as high as $8.4 million, but because of the cap crunch, teams hoping to avoid the tax will offer around $5 million at most.

Whether Monroe comes back depends on if the Celtics want him back. I highly doubt Moose will have big offers this summer since most teams already have a center either to help them win now or in the future. I think the reason why he opted for Boston over New Orleans was because he knows the money has dried up, so he'll take the most money he can get.

I think the MLE will either be used on him or Baynes because there isn't a need for both. Personally, I'm in the "Bring Back Moose" camp.

It's not even certain the Celtics will have the full MLE available, themselves.  Boston could very easily find itself paying the lux tax next year if Smart is brought back on a decent sized deal.  Although, with it looking more and more like the Lakers pick isn't going to convey, Boston should probably be able to avoid the tax.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Alleyoopster on March 17, 2018, 03:02:21 AM
He seems to be enjoying his time here. He's in a unique position where the team needs his offense and he score effectively. Yet, he's smart enough to know when to pass.

Defensively, I wish Al would take him under his wing and teach him how to block shots. He has the length get more of them.

As for next season who knows...Danny cleared house this past summer. Hopefully, the'll be cap space for him. 
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: chilidawg on March 17, 2018, 05:15:35 AM
I thought we could only offer up to 20% more than current salary.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Surferdad on March 17, 2018, 08:08:12 AM
The Mid-Level Exception. It can go as high as $8.4 million, but because of the cap crunch, teams hoping to avoid the tax will offer around $5 million at most.

Whether Monroe comes back depends on if the Celtics want him back. I highly doubt Moose will have big offers this summer since most teams already have a center either to help them win now or in the future. I think the reason why he opted for Boston over New Orleans was because he knows the money has dried up, so he'll take the most money he can get.

I think the MLE will either be used on him or Baynes because there isn't a need for both. Personally, I'm in the "Bring Back Moose" camp.

It's not even certain the Celtics will have the full MLE available, themselves.  Boston could very easily find itself paying the lux tax next year if Smart is brought back on a decent sized deal.  Although, with it looking more and more like the Lakers pick isn't going to convey, Boston should probably be able to avoid the tax.
Monroe and Baynes are complementary centers with Baynes being better defensively which is part of the reason he is still starting.  I personally would like to bring back both.  Daniel Theis is still just a role player.

Frankly, I'd like to keep this team together as much as possible and "just add Hayward & a 1st rounder".  (Cut Nader and/or one of the two-way guys Allen/Bird)  If there was a year to spend on the lux tax, next year would be it, IMO.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: JBcat on March 17, 2018, 08:42:35 AM
In the numerous Monroe threads since we signed him I thought I saw we can give him somewhere around a 20% increase of the salary we signed him for WITHOUT having to use the MLE to sign him.  So something in the neighborhood of 6 million.

My offseason plan is to sign Monroe that way (I don’t think he will get big offers as only a handful of teams have cap space), sign Baynes again using the MLE (if that falls through another center), trade Morris for a future pick cashing in on his improved play (I don’t see him necessary with Hayward returning-could be a logjam for minutes), re-sign Smart (with Morris’s salary traded away and not having the Lakers pick I think we should still be able to remain under the tax).

It’s not glamorous as it doesn’t include Davis haha but that’s my realistic hope.  Of course Ainge makes moves few of us see coming.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Alleyoopster on March 17, 2018, 12:55:21 PM
In the numerous Monroe threads since we signed him I thought I saw we can give him somewhere around a 20% increase of the salary we signed him for WITHOUT having to use the MLE to sign him.  So something in the neighborhood of 6 million.

My offseason plan is to sign Monroe that way (I don’t think he will get big offers as only a handful of teams have cap space), sign Baynes again using the MLE (if that falls through another center), trade Morris for a future pick cashing in on his improved play (I don’t see him necessary with Hayward returning-could be a logjam for minutes), re-sign Smart (with Morris’s salary traded away and not having the Lakers pick I think we should still be able to remain under the tax).

It’s not glamorous as it doesn’t include Davis haha but that’s my realistic hope.  Of course Ainge makes moves few of us see coming.

Morris is way better than a future pick -- presuming it's a second rounder. Plus, I'm not counting on Hayward coming back to 100% until late next season, if that.  As for a minutes logjam, the injury bug always counteracts that problem.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Big333223 on March 17, 2018, 01:10:27 PM
In the numerous Monroe threads since we signed him I thought I saw we can give him somewhere around a 20% increase of the salary we signed him for WITHOUT having to use the MLE to sign him.  So something in the neighborhood of 6 million.

My offseason plan is to sign Monroe that way (I don’t think he will get big offers as only a handful of teams have cap space), sign Baynes again using the MLE (if that falls through another center), trade Morris for a future pick cashing in on his improved play (I don’t see him necessary with Hayward returning-could be a logjam for minutes), re-sign Smart (with Morris’s salary traded away and not having the Lakers pick I think we should still be able to remain under the tax).

It’s not glamorous as it doesn’t include Davis haha but that’s my realistic hope.  Of course Ainge makes moves few of us see coming.

This is also my understanding of Monroe's contract situation. He's terrific to have around in this role. I'd love to have him back on that kind of deal if he's ok with that money and these mintues.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: JHTruth on March 17, 2018, 01:17:49 PM
In the numerous Monroe threads since we signed him I thought I saw we can give him somewhere around a 20% increase of the salary we signed him for WITHOUT having to use the MLE to sign him.  So something in the neighborhood of 6 million.

My offseason plan is to sign Monroe that way (I don’t think he will get big offers as only a handful of teams have cap space), sign Baynes again using the MLE (if that falls through another center), trade Morris for a future pick cashing in on his improved play (I don’t see him necessary with Hayward returning-could be a logjam for minutes), re-sign Smart (with Morris’s salary traded away and not having the Lakers pick I think we should still be able to remain under the tax).

It’s not glamorous as it doesn’t include Davis haha but that’s my realistic hope.  Of course Ainge makes moves few of us see coming.

That's what I would like to see. To me keeping our bigs is more important than Smart/Morris.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: footey on March 17, 2018, 01:19:34 PM
I’m mixed on Monroe. Several dumb turnovers last night’s 4th quarter doesn’t help.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Kuberski33 on March 17, 2018, 03:05:06 PM
It's nice to have a low post scorer given that so much of the offense comes from 3's.  The defense has to respect his ability to score so it can't go all out defending the perimeter.  The fact that he can also pass helps a lot as well.

Plus give Brad a summer and a training camp to figure out how best to use him....

I would think they'll want him back and have a decent chance of holding onto him given that his skills aren't in great demand league-wide.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Rosco917 on March 17, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
I like Monroe, I like the option of playing in and out basketball, along with the side to side Steven's enjoys. He forces defenses to collapse opening up the 3. His passing is also a plus.

His defense is below average, but for the second team, it not as much of a concern as if he were starting or playing big minutes.   
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Moranis on March 17, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: hpantazo on March 17, 2018, 03:45:57 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.

Smart is not a lesser tier player. I am confident he will be back next year.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: liam on March 17, 2018, 03:52:22 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.

With LeBron either staying with downward pointing Cavs team or going West, next year is the year the Celtics swing for the fences!
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: celticsclay on March 17, 2018, 04:19:54 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.

With LeBron either staying with downward pointing Cavs team or going West, next year is the year the Celtics swing for the fences!

Yea a celtics team has been neck and neck with Cleveland and Toronto. With smart back and adding Hayward they would be heavy favorites to win the east next year over a 35 year old Lebron team that is capped out and Toronto where Lowry is definitely in decline.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: jambr380 on March 17, 2018, 04:27:54 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.

Smart is not a lesser tier player. I am confident he will be back next year.

I am sure Smart is the first choice of the 'lesser tier' players, but matching a huge contract has to be out of the question, regardless.

Neither Monroe or Baynes are must re-signs, but it is likely they keep one of them if they come at a decent price.

I agree with moranis that there is almost no chance the Cs go over the luxury tax next season...that is unless a superstar in his prime becomes available and it is an opportunity Ainge can't refuse. We aren't going to go over the tax by a couple million just because.

Our top players (Kyrie, Hayward, Al, Brown, Tatum, Rozier, Morris, Theis) are already signed through at least next year. We are talking re-signing Smart (or a Smart replacement) and getting good value on a center. It shouldn't be too difficult to fill out the bench while staying under the tax.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: bopna on March 17, 2018, 07:09:00 PM
I’m mixed on Monroe. Several dumb turnovers last night’s 4th quarter doesn’t help.
Kyrie does a lot of dumb TO but we would all still be willing to pony up max for him even with balky knees...
Monroe is a one dimensional role player and will be paid that way. Not many teams will offer big money for that, and GM will probably seek the team which he can compete for a championship..which just happens to be...us.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: footey on March 17, 2018, 07:23:02 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.

I used to feel that way but Believe they will keep Smart unless he gets an offer above 15 mm per, which I don’t anticipate. He is looking like a young Dennis Johnson.
Title: Re: Is there any way we can keep Monroe?
Post by: Chris22 on March 17, 2018, 07:27:22 PM
I've been saying for awhile that Boston will do whatever it can to avoid the luxury tax this summer.  It doesn't want to start the clock on the tax until it absolutely has to and next summer is not the year it absolutely has to.  That at least some of the lesser tier players like Barnes, Monroe, and Smart will not be back next year.

I used to feel that way but Believe they will keep Smart unless he gets an offer above 15 mm per, which I don’t anticipate. He is looking like a young Dennis Johnson.

The only comparison I could think of as well. TP