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Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #390 on: January 30, 2019, 10:05:46 PM »

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Something to think about. If Indy loses tonight(they are down over 20 right now) and tomorrow in Orlando, Philly loses at GSW tomorrow, Toronto beats Milwaukee at home tomorrow and Boston wins in NY, the by Friday night the C's would be tied with Philly in 3rd, 4.5 games behind Toronto.

sounds do able ....fingers crossed

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #391 on: January 30, 2019, 10:06:28 PM »

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Next week would really be interesting as it could determine the future of this Celtics team.

If AD is not traded next week, it's a sure thing AD's coming to Boston in the summer.

But if AD gets traded next week, what now?

Lakers package will still be there in the summer. Pelicans' Dell Demps can be silly and take their package over the Celtics' package.

And maybe Hart, Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram start to suddenly play lights out in the post-ASG that could deter the Celtics from landing AD in the summer.

Kuzma, Ball, Hart, and Ingram are like Burgers.

AD is a steak.

I really don't think trading multiple burgers for a steak is in the best of the Pels.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #392 on: January 30, 2019, 10:07:16 PM »

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Next week would really be interesting as it could determine the future of this Celtics team.

If AD is not traded next week, it's a sure thing AD's coming to Boston in the summer.

Man this is so NOT a sure thing.

Closest thing to a sure thing IMO.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #393 on: January 30, 2019, 10:07:32 PM »

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10 assists for Rozier - credit where credit is due. He definitely has better decision making when he is starting.

True.

That's why Ainge has a decision to make next week.

Given the AD news, I don't see Rozier going anywhere, as he's still a sign-and-trade possibility this summer, which could be a major part of getting AD.
Actually due to Base Year Compensation it's extremely unlikely Rozier is included in any AD deal.

What is Base Year Compensation?
If a player is going to sign a contract that is more than 20% of what they made the year before or if half of their first year salary is greater than the salary they made before then if they are signed and traded by a team over the cap then the the incoming salary for checking salary to match is their new salary but the outgoing salary is equal to to half of their new salary.

Example trade AD for Tatum, Rozier s&t at $14 million, Yabu and Williams


Pelicans trade Davis at $27.1 million so that is the Pelicans outgoing salary. That means they have to receive in salary from the Celtics a minimum salary of $21.6 million or a Max of $34 million.

So you want to include Rozier as a sign n trade but he is Base Year Compensation eligible so his salary counts as 50% outgoing but 100% incoming.

So your trade is

Tatum at $7.8 million
Rozier at $14 million incoming $7million outgoing.
Williams at $2 million
Yabusele at $3 million.

So as incoming salary the C's are at $26.8 million. They need incoming salary to be within  25%+/-$100k of that number meaning Davis' $27.1 million fits. Trade okay there.

But Rozier's outgoing only counts as $7 million so Boston's total outgoing is $19.8 million. Needing to take on salary that is at most 25% +/- $100k means Boston can take on a max salary of $24.8 million making Davis' $27.1 million way to much so trade not okay here. Trade fails.

If a third team gets involved it might get easier.

Oh, I thought that was something beyond the 100%/50% outgoing condition. So, yeah, I accounted for that by saying that we could do that if we somehow got a top-4 or top-5 pick in the lottery with the Sacramento pick.

So say we got the 4th pick and picked who NOLA wanted. At 120% of the rookie scale, which we always do, that'd be right around $6M for the rookie in the first year. We then sign him and wait 30 days to be able to include his salary in the trade. That would leave us with:

Tatum at $7.8 million
Rozier at $14 million incoming $7million outgoing.
Draft Pick at $6 million
Yabusele at $3 million

I believe that works out for us, give or take a Williams being added in there. And when you add the other picks to that deal, nobody is coming close to that offer.

Granted, as I said, this would probably require us getting a top-5 pick or so to make this work.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #394 on: January 30, 2019, 10:08:23 PM »

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Next week would really be interesting as it could determine the future of this Celtics team.

If AD is not traded next week, it's a sure thing AD's coming to Boston in the summer.

But if AD gets traded next week, what now?

Lakers package will still be there in the summer. Pelicans' Dell Demps can be silly and take their package over the Celtics' package.

And maybe Hart, Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram start to suddenly play lights out in the post-ASG that could deter the Celtics from landing AD in the summer.

Kuzma, Ball, Hart, and Ingram are like Burgers.

AD is a steak.

I really don't think trading multiple burgers for a steak is in the best of the Pels.

The Lakers are only hold their own picks which will be late 1st rounders and not worth much.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #395 on: January 30, 2019, 10:09:54 PM »

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Something to think about. If Indy loses tonight(they are down over 20 right now) and tomorrow in Orlando, Philly loses at GSW tomorrow, Toronto beats Milwaukee at home tomorrow and Boston wins in NY, the by Friday night the C's would be tied with Philly in 3rd, 4.5 games behind Toronto.

I think Boston getting to the 3 seed is crucial. You avoid Philly in round one, you then get the 2 seed in round 2...and honestly...I think that will be the Bucks.

But Philly or Boston is going to finish 3/4. Pacers will be lucky to stay top 6.

Give me the Raptors in the postseason I feel comfortable taking them on than the Bucks.


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Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #396 on: January 30, 2019, 10:10:17 PM »

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Next week would really be interesting as it could determine the future of this Celtics team.

If AD is not traded next week, it's a sure thing AD's coming to Boston in the summer.

But if AD gets traded next week, what now?

Lakers package will still be there in the summer. Pelicans' Dell Demps can be silly and take their package over the Celtics' package.

And maybe Hart, Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram start to suddenly play lights out in the post-ASG that could deter the Celtics from landing AD in the summer.

Kuzma, Ball, Hart, and Ingram are like Burgers.

AD is a steak.

I really don't think trading multiple burgers for a steak is in the best of the Pels.

The Lakers are only hold their own picks which will be late 1st rounders and not worth much.

True.

That's why Celts have the best offer.

Just don't include both Tatum and Brown.
The Pels can have Tatum or Brown, but not both.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #397 on: January 30, 2019, 10:10:36 PM »

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Something to think about. If Indy loses tonight(they are down over 20 right now) and tomorrow in Orlando, Philly loses at GSW tomorrow, Toronto beats Milwaukee at home tomorrow and Boston wins in NY, the by Friday night the C's would be tied with Philly in 3rd, 4.5 games behind Toronto.

I think Boston getting to the 3 seed is crucial. You avoid Philly in round one, you then get the 2 seed in round 2...and honestly...I think that will be the Bucks.

But Philly or Boston is going to finish 3/4. Pacers will be lucky to stay top 6.

Give me the Raptors in the postseason I feel comfortable taking them on than the Bucks.

Agree.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #398 on: January 30, 2019, 10:27:00 PM »

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Just half a game behind Pacers.

Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #399 on: January 30, 2019, 10:51:29 PM »

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Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #400 on: January 30, 2019, 10:54:22 PM »

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Bummed to have missed this one.  Looks like Rozier, Tatum, and Brown all played very well.  I miss watching the growth of last year's playoff Celts.
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Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #401 on: January 30, 2019, 10:59:57 PM »

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Bummed to have missed this one.  Looks like Rozier, Tatum, and Brown all played very well.  I miss watching the growth of last year's playoff Celts.
I think the Hornets didn't shoot a FT until the 3rd quarter - which speaks to the kind of effort they gave.  But the Celtics competed all night - even when they got up big in the 2nd half, which is probably the most encouraging thing about the game. 

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« Reply #402 on: January 30, 2019, 11:02:40 PM »

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Bummed to have missed this one.  Looks like Rozier, Tatum, and Brown all played very well.  I miss watching the growth of last year's playoff Celts.

It was a sensational game

both ends

Hornets were stung in the third.  The team passing and defense was a thing of a beauty


Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #403 on: January 31, 2019, 05:40:50 AM »

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10 assists for Rozier - credit where credit is due. He definitely has better decision making when he is starting.

True.

That's why Ainge has a decision to make next week.

Given the AD news, I don't see Rozier going anywhere, as he's still a sign-and-trade possibility this summer, which could be a major part of getting AD.
Actually due to Base Year Compensation it's extremely unlikely Rozier is included in any AD deal.

What is Base Year Compensation?
If a player is going to sign a contract that is more than 20% of what they made the year before or if half of their first year salary is greater than the salary they made before then if they are signed and traded by a team over the cap then the the incoming salary for checking salary to match is their new salary but the outgoing salary is equal to to half of their new salary.

Example trade AD for Tatum, Rozier s&t at $14 million, Yabu and Williams


Pelicans trade Davis at $27.1 million so that is the Pelicans outgoing salary. That means they have to receive in salary from the Celtics a minimum salary of $21.6 million or a Max of $34 million.

So you want to include Rozier as a sign n trade but he is Base Year Compensation eligible so his salary counts as 50% outgoing but 100% incoming.

So your trade is

Tatum at $7.8 million
Rozier at $14 million incoming $7million outgoing.
Williams at $2 million
Yabusele at $3 million.

So as incoming salary the C's are at $26.8 million. They need incoming salary to be within  25%+/-$100k of that number meaning Davis' $27.1 million fits. Trade okay there.

But Rozier's outgoing only counts as $7 million so Boston's total outgoing is $19.8 million. Needing to take on salary that is at most 25% +/- $100k means Boston can take on a max salary of $24.8 million making Davis' $27.1 million way to much so trade not okay here. Trade fails.

If a third team gets involved it might get easier.

Just a note, the Pelicans have a maximum salary they can take in based on outgoing salary, but no minimum salary that they have to take. They could take in $0 if they really wanted. The only concern in this case is that we send out enough to take in AD (that salary doesn't necessarily have to go to the Pelicans), and that the Pelicans don't take in too much
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Re: Hornets (24-25) at Celtics (31-19) Game #51 1/30/19
« Reply #404 on: January 31, 2019, 05:56:29 AM »

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Very well played game. Tatum and Brown showed just how talented they are.

Kyrie comes back either tomorrow in New York or Sunday vs OKC (hopefully, as I am going to the game.)