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Re: Kyrie now opt in?
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2019, 04:19:44 PM »

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Kyrie opt out deadline in 2-3 days right?

Yes.  Thursday, June 13, is the opt-out deadline for Kyrie and Baynes.

Tuesday, June 18, is the opt-out deadline for Al Horford.

Thursday, June 20, of course, is the draft.

Kyrie will almost certainly opt-out on Thursday, given that he stands to make about 10M more next year no matter where he signs.

A key factor that folks need to remember that probably play into Kyrie's "long term plan" is that he will be eligible for the 10-year veteran max base contract of 35% of cap in two years.   He's currently only eligible for 30%.

What that means is no matter where he goes, he will want to sign a new contract in either 2 or 3 years.


All the more reason to feel queasy about him coming back.  We could be going through all this nonsense again in 2 years.

But isn't this basically what every team with star caliber players needs to deal with these days.  Players seem to be signing shorter deals and moving around more in general.  For those that want to go young, whose to say the J's won't be a flight risk when their time for free agency comes?


Right, but not every star makes his free agency into a horrible headache for the team all year long.
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Re: Kyrie now opt in?
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2019, 04:20:12 PM »

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Kyrie opt out deadline in 2-3 days right?

Yes.  Thursday, June 13, is the opt-out deadline for Kyrie and Baynes.

Tuesday, June 18, is the opt-out deadline for Al Horford.

Thursday, June 20, of course, is the draft.

Kyrie will almost certainly opt-out on Thursday, given that he stands to make about 10M more next year no matter where he signs.

A key factor that folks need to remember that probably play into Kyrie's "long term plan" is that he will be eligible for the 10-year veteran max base contract of 35% of cap in two years.   He's currently only eligible for 30%.

What that means is no matter where he goes, he will want to sign a new contract in either 2 or 3 years.


All the more reason to feel queasy about him coming back.  We could be going through all this nonsense again in 2 years.

Well, sorta.   The difference though, is that in THAT case, his best bet for maximum earnings WILL be to re-sign with his current Bird Rights team.  Otherwise, he'll have to wait another three years to vest.  So assuming he was here on that first short deal, that would be with the intent to follow it with us for the follow-on longer term deal.   He would lose money if he THEN walked in FA to another team.

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« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2019, 04:21:34 PM »

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The KD injury, if anything, highlights why it makes no sense for Irving to opt in. He should go for a full max.

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« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2019, 04:26:15 PM »

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I just don't think The C's (Wyc) wanna pay Kyrie $40 Mil a year.
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« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2019, 04:30:54 PM »

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I just don't think The C's (Wyc) wanna pay Kyrie $40 Mil a year.

I'm fine signing Kyrie with a 2 year opt out. I'm not okay signing him with a 1 year opt out. That is too much turmoil next season, since AD would be FA then.

My heart can't take it.

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« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2019, 07:00:42 AM »

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Kyrie opt out deadline in 2-3 days right?

Yes.  Thursday, June 13, is the opt-out deadline for Kyrie and Baynes.

Tuesday, June 18, is the opt-out deadline for Al Horford.

Thursday, June 20, of course, is the draft.

Kyrie will almost certainly opt-out on Thursday, given that he stands to make about 10M more next year no matter where he signs.

A key factor that folks need to remember that probably play into Kyrie's "long term plan" is that he will be eligible for the 10-year veteran max base contract of 35% of cap in two years.   He's currently only eligible for 30%.

What that means is no matter where he goes, he will want to sign a new contract in either 2 or 3 years.


All the more reason to feel queasy about him coming back.  We could be going through all this nonsense again in 2 years.

But isn't this basically what every team with star caliber players needs to deal with these days.  Players seem to be signing shorter deals and moving around more in general.  For those that want to go young, whose to say the J's won't be a flight risk when their time for free agency comes?


Right, but not every star makes his free agency into a horrible headache for the team all year long.

I've been thinking about this. What did Kyrie (and KD) do to make his free agency such a horrible headache for the team, compared to someone like Kawhi who was in the same situation? How could Kyrie have done it better, while still preserving his options?

All three could become free agents this year. Kyrie was the only one to make a verbal commitment to his team at the start of the season, KD and Kawhi didn't. Kyrie and KD's free agency seemed to be in the spotlight most of the season, but Kyrie's in particular began to make headlines because the Celtics were underperforming, and because the media had a narrative that Kawhi and KD were teaming up in NY, then all the rumors about him leaving resurfaced. Then when AD demanded a trade the media all of a sudden asked him what was going on with him, was he still re-signing, etc. and he responded by basically saying "Boston is still on top of that list" but "ask me July 1". Then the speculation never died down.

Same with KD, there was endless speculation, which eventually culminated in KD refusing to talk to the media and then throwing a hissy fit when he eventually did, after the NY-Dallas trade of Porzingis.

Meanwhile in Toronto Kawhi has basically flown under the radar the whole season. He hasn't, and still hasn't, committed to them, the Toronto media hasn't been asking him, the US media hasn't been asking him, the fans haven't been asking him, he's basically just been allowed to go about his business. Even missing 20+ games, nobody batted an eyelid vs when Kyrie missed games, people asked if he was playing sick.

The only things different I can see is a) Kawhi is a more likable person than Kyrie or KD personality wise, he doesn't make waves, he's not controversial; and b) he just didn't say anything, period and c) the media never really kept asking him. Maybe because he was in Toronto out of sight and out of mind and he just kept his mouth shut?
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Re: Kyrie now opt in?
« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2019, 09:39:37 AM »

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Jaylen Rose on Get Up this morning saying Kyrie’s best choice is the Lakers now that Durant is hurt. Greenie too.

If he does, will put a lot of pressure on Danny to trade for AD.

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« Reply #97 on: June 12, 2019, 09:40:57 AM »

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Jaylen Rose on Get Up this morning saying Kyrie’s best choice is the Lakers now that Durant is hurt. Greenie too.

If he does, will put a lot of pressure on Danny to trade for AD.

Let them all go to LA. Better there than the East. Kyrie goes back to LA he is just always a Robin.

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« Reply #98 on: June 12, 2019, 09:41:15 AM »

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Kyrie opt out deadline in 2-3 days right?

Yes.  Thursday, June 13, is the opt-out deadline for Kyrie and Baynes.

Tuesday, June 18, is the opt-out deadline for Al Horford.

Thursday, June 20, of course, is the draft.

Kyrie will almost certainly opt-out on Thursday, given that he stands to make about 10M more next year no matter where he signs.

A key factor that folks need to remember that probably play into Kyrie's "long term plan" is that he will be eligible for the 10-year veteran max base contract of 35% of cap in two years.   He's currently only eligible for 30%.

What that means is no matter where he goes, he will want to sign a new contract in either 2 or 3 years.

If he stays in Boston, then he'd want to sign a new contract in 2 years and at that time, probably try to lock up a 5-year max Bird Right's contract that will pay him max money through his age 33 season.

If he goes to another team, he will need to wait 3 years before signing the big new contract because he will need to be with that team for 3 years to vest his Bird rights.   However, on this path, a 5-year will pay him on a max deal through his age 34 season.

Interestingly, unless he thinks he will still be able to command a close-to-max contract after his age 33 season, he can actually make more total money in his career through age 34 if he waits 3 years before signing that 5-year deal.

Also:  Kyrie has stated that he plans to retire in his early 30s.  Let's assume age 34 is the goal. 

What that boils down to, is this:   If his goal is to rack up max earnings by that point, he doesn't necessarily make more by staying in Boston.

Here are the three paths:

Top total earnings:   Sign 3 year deal in BOS followed by 5 year in BOS, retire after age 34 season.
Second place:  Sign 3 years for Team X followed by 5 years with Team X, retire after age 34 season.
Third place:  Sign 2 years in BOS followed by 5 year in BOS, retire after age 33.

Of these, the first two are actually fairly close, only a couple million apart.  The only difference in the two is the difference in raises (8% vs 5% byc) in years 2 & 3 of the first contract.  That totals to only about 2 million.  Other than that, they are the same.

The third one stays close to the second as of age 33 and then falls way behind due to the massive ~45M-ish salary in that age 34 season that the 2nd path has.   In theory, Kyrie could still get another contract at age 34 to make up some of that, but it's doubtful it would be close to a full max contract at that age.

Short version:  People who think total earnings favor Kyrie staying in BOS should realize that it just isn't really that big of an advantage.   BOS only gets an advantage here if Kyrie is worried about his knees and doesn't have the confidence that he'll be able to command a max contract in 2 or 3 years in his age 28 or 29 season.  If that's the case, then he's best off just signing a 5-year deal right now.

Of course, if he's worried about his knees so as to do that ... then I'm not so keen that we should be paying that...
with this neatly laid out for everyone (tp MMMMM), Danny should have a solid idea at this time what Kyrie is planning to do since he's still a C and Danny can talk all he wants to our players for planning future contracts. 
I'm in the camp that thinks Kyrie resigns here so Danny should have already been in talks with NO to figure out what AD would cost.  Assuming a reasonable package of Tatum, Smart, Yabu (for $ and a roster spot) and hopefully no more than 3 picks (and the confirmed discussion with AD that he'd resign here next year if he's traded), the timeline should permit a deal in principle before the draft where we make the picks for NO and use their salary as part of a subsequent trade in the summer for AD. 

Kyrie would be able to resigned after 7/1.  Horford would be able to be resigned after 7/1 as well but to a longer, lower-salaried deal.  Baynes and Morris could be resigned as well.
C's start Kyrie, Brown, (healthier, better) Hayward, AD, Hereford.  Bench would need some filling in but not horrible with Baynes, Morris, Semi, Williams, Wanamaker, an MLE vet (hopefully Beverly) and vet-min vet (possibly Dudley or Carter) and possibly a rookie that has some time to develop.

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« Reply #99 on: June 12, 2019, 09:54:17 AM »

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Jaylen Rose on Get Up this morning saying Kyrie’s best choice is the Lakers now that Durant is hurt. Greenie too.

If he does, will put a lot of pressure on Danny to trade for AD.



ESPN is dying for Lebron to be on a meaningful team again.  Therefor, everyone's best choice should be join the Lakers.

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« Reply #100 on: June 12, 2019, 09:55:12 AM »

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Jaylen Rose on Get Up this morning saying Kyrie’s best choice is the Lakers now that Durant is hurt. Greenie too.

If he does, will put a lot of pressure on Danny to trade for AD.




ESPN is dying for Lebron to be on a meaningful team again.  Therefor, everyone's best choice should be join the Lakers.

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« Reply #101 on: June 12, 2019, 12:06:37 PM »

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Celtics' Kyrie Irving is not opting into his $21.3 million deal for next season and will become a free agent eligible to sign a new contract with Boston or elsewhere, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.


This was always going to happen right?

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« Reply #102 on: June 12, 2019, 12:07:58 PM »

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This was always going to happen right?
Yeah, this was always going to happen. Would've been lunacy for him to take the one year option
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« Reply #103 on: June 12, 2019, 12:08:16 PM »

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This was always going to happen right?

Yeah, this was expected.  No reason for anyone to be shocked.


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« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2019, 12:15:43 PM »

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Celtics' Kyrie Irving is not opting into his $21.3 million deal for next season and will become a free agent eligible to sign a new contract with Boston or elsewhere, league sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.


This was always going to happen right?

Yeah, this was expected.  No reason for anyone to be shocked.

Does this mean now we're allowed to trade for Davis?