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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2018, 05:06:40 PM »

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I posted this in another thread earlier and got no conversation on it. Thoughts?

Rather than starting a new thread, I thought I put my trade idea here. I was working on a way to get Bradley Beal on the Thunder for funsies. I don't think there is any way the Thunder would give up Adams, but it didn't seem like the Wizards would want Schroeder, Roberson, and Grant. The Thunder have an almost 11 million dollar exception to use to take on a bad contract to make a deal work. I think the trade would have to include a third team. Here's what I came up with:

Thunder trade: Diallo, Schroeder, Roberson, 8.6 million trade exemption, 2022 1st
Thunder receive: Beal, Morris

This gives the Thunder a perfect complimentary piece to Westbrook, Adams, and George and makes them contenders for a championship this year. Morris is also a good get on an expiring contract that can start for them.

Pelicans trade: Hill, Randle
Pelicans receive: Schroeder, Roberson

Pelicans continue to search for pieces to put around Anthony Davis. This isn't a flashy move, but it is low cost. Flipping Randle and Hill into two players that could actually share the court in crunch time with Davis, Mirotic, and Holliday is helpful. Roberson's lack of shooting is covered up by Mirotic and Davis' shooting, but it gives the Pelicans the defensive stopper on the wing they've always needed. Schroeder is a secondary ball-handler that excels in the pick-and-roll (hello Anthony Davis).

Wizards trade: Beal, Morris
Wizards receive: Hill, Randle, Diallo, 8.6 million trade exemption, Thunder's 2022 1st

The first benefit to this deal is that it gets the Wizards out of the luxury tax (they were 11 million into the luxury tax!!!). Randle gives the Wizards a productive inside player, which they have lacked severely this year. He brings the energy that could change the culture a bit. Hill is a rotation player with only one year left on his contract after this one. Diallo is a good prospect that could give you leverage in negotiations with Oubre, or let you move on completely from Oubre's inconsistent play. The Thunder's 2022 draft pick might actually be really good depending on how Westbrook's game ages.

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2018, 05:10:27 PM »

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I posted this in another thread earlier and got no conversation on it. Thoughts?

Rather than starting a new thread, I thought I put my trade idea here. I was working on a way to get Bradley Beal on the Thunder for funsies. I don't think there is any way the Thunder would give up Adams, but it didn't seem like the Wizards would want Schroeder, Roberson, and Grant. The Thunder have an almost 11 million dollar exception to use to take on a bad contract to make a deal work. I think the trade would have to include a third team. Here's what I came up with:

Thunder trade: Diallo, Schroeder, Roberson, 8.6 million trade exemption, 2022 1st
Thunder receive: Beal, Morris

This gives the Thunder a perfect complimentary piece to Westbrook, Adams, and George and makes them contenders for a championship this year. Morris is also a good get on an expiring contract that can start for them.

Pelicans trade: Hill, Randle
Pelicans receive: Schroeder, Roberson

Pelicans continue to search for pieces to put around Anthony Davis. This isn't a flashy move, but it is low cost. Flipping Randle and Hill into two players that could actually share the court in crunch time with Davis, Mirotic, and Holliday is helpful. Roberson's lack of shooting is covered up by Mirotic and Davis' shooting, but it gives the Pelicans the defensive stopper on the wing they've always needed. Schroeder is a secondary ball-handler that excels in the pick-and-roll (hello Anthony Davis).

Wizards trade: Beal, Morris
Wizards receive: Hill, Randle, Diallo, 8.6 million trade exemption, Thunder's 2022 1st

The first benefit to this deal is that it gets the Wizards out of the luxury tax (they were 11 million into the luxury tax!!!). Randle gives the Wizards a productive inside player, which they have lacked severely this year. He brings the energy that could change the culture a bit. Hill is a rotation player with only one year left on his contract after this one. Diallo is a good prospect that could give you leverage in negotiations with Oubre, or let you move on completely from Oubre's inconsistent play. The Thunder's 2022 draft pick might actually be really good depending on how Westbrook's game ages.

Not bad trade, but out of all 3, Beal is the most valuable, and I have to believe he could garner more than one expiring contract, bottom tier prospect in Diallo, and not bad big in Randle/questionable 1st round pick. (Let's say Westbrook doesn't age well, even then, is it a lottery pick?)

If I'm the Wizards, I would clearly want something more than just an okay prospect, possible late first pick, and expiring contract/TE.
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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2018, 06:15:46 PM »

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I posted this in another thread earlier and got no conversation on it. Thoughts?

Rather than starting a new thread, I thought I put my trade idea here. I was working on a way to get Bradley Beal on the Thunder for funsies. I don't think there is any way the Thunder would give up Adams, but it didn't seem like the Wizards would want Schroeder, Roberson, and Grant. The Thunder have an almost 11 million dollar exception to use to take on a bad contract to make a deal work. I think the trade would have to include a third team. Here's what I came up with:

Thunder trade: Diallo, Schroeder, Roberson, 8.6 million trade exemption, 2022 1st
Thunder receive: Beal, Morris

This gives the Thunder a perfect complimentary piece to Westbrook, Adams, and George and makes them contenders for a championship this year. Morris is also a good get on an expiring contract that can start for them.

Pelicans trade: Hill, Randle
Pelicans receive: Schroeder, Roberson

Pelicans continue to search for pieces to put around Anthony Davis. This isn't a flashy move, but it is low cost. Flipping Randle and Hill into two players that could actually share the court in crunch time with Davis, Mirotic, and Holliday is helpful. Roberson's lack of shooting is covered up by Mirotic and Davis' shooting, but it gives the Pelicans the defensive stopper on the wing they've always needed. Schroeder is a secondary ball-handler that excels in the pick-and-roll (hello Anthony Davis).

Wizards trade: Beal, Morris
Wizards receive: Hill, Randle, Diallo, 8.6 million trade exemption, Thunder's 2022 1st

The first benefit to this deal is that it gets the Wizards out of the luxury tax (they were 11 million into the luxury tax!!!). Randle gives the Wizards a productive inside player, which they have lacked severely this year. He brings the energy that could change the culture a bit. Hill is a rotation player with only one year left on his contract after this one. Diallo is a good prospect that could give you leverage in negotiations with Oubre, or let you move on completely from Oubre's inconsistent play. The Thunder's 2022 draft pick might actually be really good depending on how Westbrook's game ages.

Not bad trade, but out of all 3, Beal is the most valuable, and I have to believe he could garner more than one expiring contract, bottom tier prospect in Diallo, and not bad big in Randle/questionable 1st round pick. (Let's say Westbrook doesn't age well, even then, is it a lottery pick?)

If I'm the Wizards, I would clearly want something more than just an okay prospect, possible late first pick, and expiring contract/TE.

Good thoughts and I probably agree that someone could offer more for Beal. However, few teams offer the ability for Washington to get out of the luxury tax. It really depends if the owner wants to do that with his non-contender as they re-build or re-gear around Wall. Saving 10 million in salary and way more in a luxury bill is worth 1-2 firsts as well according to the recent market.

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2018, 09:11:39 PM »

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I posted this in another thread earlier and got no conversation on it. Thoughts?

Rather than starting a new thread, I thought I put my trade idea here. I was working on a way to get Bradley Beal on the Thunder for funsies. I don't think there is any way the Thunder would give up Adams, but it didn't seem like the Wizards would want Schroeder, Roberson, and Grant. The Thunder have an almost 11 million dollar exception to use to take on a bad contract to make a deal work. I think the trade would have to include a third team. Here's what I came up with:

Thunder trade: Diallo, Schroeder, Roberson, 8.6 million trade exemption, 2022 1st
Thunder receive: Beal, Morris

This gives the Thunder a perfect complimentary piece to Westbrook, Adams, and George and makes them contenders for a championship this year. Morris is also a good get on an expiring contract that can start for them.

Pelicans trade: Hill, Randle
Pelicans receive: Schroeder, Roberson

Pelicans continue to search for pieces to put around Anthony Davis. This isn't a flashy move, but it is low cost. Flipping Randle and Hill into two players that could actually share the court in crunch time with Davis, Mirotic, and Holliday is helpful. Roberson's lack of shooting is covered up by Mirotic and Davis' shooting, but it gives the Pelicans the defensive stopper on the wing they've always needed. Schroeder is a secondary ball-handler that excels in the pick-and-roll (hello Anthony Davis).

Wizards trade: Beal, Morris
Wizards receive: Hill, Randle, Diallo, 8.6 million trade exemption, Thunder's 2022 1st

The first benefit to this deal is that it gets the Wizards out of the luxury tax (they were 11 million into the luxury tax!!!). Randle gives the Wizards a productive inside player, which they have lacked severely this year. He brings the energy that could change the culture a bit. Hill is a rotation player with only one year left on his contract after this one. Diallo is a good prospect that could give you leverage in negotiations with Oubre, or let you move on completely from Oubre's inconsistent play. The Thunder's 2022 draft pick might actually be really good depending on how Westbrook's game ages.

Not bad trade, but out of all 3, Beal is the most valuable, and I have to believe he could garner more than one expiring contract, bottom tier prospect in Diallo, and not bad big in Randle/questionable 1st round pick. (Let's say Westbrook doesn't age well, even then, is it a lottery pick?)

If I'm the Wizards, I would clearly want something more than just an okay prospect, possible late first pick, and expiring contract/TE.

Good thoughts and I probably agree that someone could offer more for Beal. However, few teams offer the ability for Washington to get out of the luxury tax. It really depends if the owner wants to do that with his non-contender as they re-build or re-gear around Wall. Saving 10 million in salary and way more in a luxury bill is worth 1-2 firsts as well according to the recent market.

Generally cap space shouldn't be a issue for smart and intelligent franchises but the Wizards GM and owner have shown neither of the sort.

DC is a passionate sports team, if they completely rebuild or retool, people will still come. But there comes a breaking point and honestly from what my friends tell me, the Wizards fans just want a complete tear down or reconstruction. This team isnt contending and everyone from Northern Virginia to Baltimore and DC knows that.
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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2018, 10:04:05 PM »

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I posted this in another thread earlier and got no conversation on it. Thoughts?

Rather than starting a new thread, I thought I put my trade idea here. I was working on a way to get Bradley Beal on the Thunder for funsies. I don't think there is any way the Thunder would give up Adams, but it didn't seem like the Wizards would want Schroeder, Roberson, and Grant. The Thunder have an almost 11 million dollar exception to use to take on a bad contract to make a deal work. I think the trade would have to include a third team. Here's what I came up with:

Thunder trade: Diallo, Schroeder, Roberson, 8.6 million trade exemption, 2022 1st
Thunder receive: Beal, Morris

This gives the Thunder a perfect complimentary piece to Westbrook, Adams, and George and makes them contenders for a championship this year. Morris is also a good get on an expiring contract that can start for them.

Pelicans trade: Hill, Randle
Pelicans receive: Schroeder, Roberson

Pelicans continue to search for pieces to put around Anthony Davis. This isn't a flashy move, but it is low cost. Flipping Randle and Hill into two players that could actually share the court in crunch time with Davis, Mirotic, and Holliday is helpful. Roberson's lack of shooting is covered up by Mirotic and Davis' shooting, but it gives the Pelicans the defensive stopper on the wing they've always needed. Schroeder is a secondary ball-handler that excels in the pick-and-roll (hello Anthony Davis).

Wizards trade: Beal, Morris
Wizards receive: Hill, Randle, Diallo, 8.6 million trade exemption, Thunder's 2022 1st

The first benefit to this deal is that it gets the Wizards out of the luxury tax (they were 11 million into the luxury tax!!!). Randle gives the Wizards a productive inside player, which they have lacked severely this year. He brings the energy that could change the culture a bit. Hill is a rotation player with only one year left on his contract after this one. Diallo is a good prospect that could give you leverage in negotiations with Oubre, or let you move on completely from Oubre's inconsistent play. The Thunder's 2022 draft pick might actually be really good depending on how Westbrook's game ages.

Not bad trade, but out of all 3, Beal is the most valuable, and I have to believe he could garner more than one expiring contract, bottom tier prospect in Diallo, and not bad big in Randle/questionable 1st round pick. (Let's say Westbrook doesn't age well, even then, is it a lottery pick?)

If I'm the Wizards, I would clearly want something more than just an okay prospect, possible late first pick, and expiring contract/TE.

Good thoughts and I probably agree that someone could offer more for Beal. However, few teams offer the ability for Washington to get out of the luxury tax. It really depends if the owner wants to do that with his non-contender as they re-build or re-gear around Wall. Saving 10 million in salary and way more in a luxury bill is worth 1-2 firsts as well according to the recent market.

Generally cap space shouldn't be a issue for smart and intelligent franchises but the Wizards GM and owner have shown neither of the sort.

DC is a passionate sports team, if they completely rebuild or retool, people will still come. But there comes a breaking point and honestly from what my friends tell me, the Wizards fans just want a complete tear down or reconstruction. This team isnt contending and everyone from Northern Virginia to Baltimore and DC knows that.

If they want to get out of the luxury tax this season, they have three options: trade with the Kings into their cap space, trade with the Nuggets into one of their two exemptions, or trade with the Thunder into their exemption.

Any other trade would include salary coming back, which doesn't get them out of the luxury tax.

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2018, 11:24:42 PM »

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They should be doing whatever it takes to dump Wall before his extension kicks in.

Throw a pick in if you have to.

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« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2018, 03:09:12 AM »

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They should be doing whatever it takes to dump Wall before his extension kicks in.

Throw a pick in if you have to.
That's about how I see it.
Beal is not a problem and Porter is just a collateral move.
Wall is the anvil of this franchise, firstly, they were building on him, and now he is pulling them down. To move on they need to move him.
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« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2018, 07:48:25 AM »

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As time passes I would like to see Wall in NY.
Seems somehow fitting.
Wall + 1st for Kanter, something along those lines.

We would be singing;
Afterall he's just another Knick in the Wall.
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Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2018, 06:05:06 PM »

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John Wall is OUT and will see a specialist for his left heel bone spur. Markieff Morris is OUT with neck stiffness.

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« Reply #69 on: December 28, 2018, 06:07:07 PM »

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wizards are donezo

Re: Woj: Wizards giving impression no player exempt from possible trade talks
« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2018, 06:34:43 PM »

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It's too bad there isn't an easy way to match salary in a trade for Markieff.  Would be fun to put him and his brother together again.
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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2019, 05:10:02 PM »

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Injury Update: Keef Morris has been diagnosed with transient cervical neuropraxia.

He will be limited to non-contact basketball activities for the next 6 weeks, after which he is expected to be cleared to return to full basketball activities.

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« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2019, 06:54:16 PM »

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Wizards owner Ted Leonsis addressed Washington's standing in the Eastern Conference on Thursday while speaking to reporters in London.

"We will never, ever tank," Leonsis said before the Wizards face the Knicks at The O2 in London. "We're not letting anybody off the hook, we got to make the playoffs."

Washington enters Thursday's matchup 11th in the East at 18–26. The Wizards have reached the postseason in four of the last five seasons.

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« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2019, 06:57:43 PM »

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It's too bad there isn't an easy way to match salary in a trade for Markieff.  Would be fun to put him and his brother together again.

yup !  that would be cool

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« Reply #74 on: January 17, 2019, 07:14:39 PM »

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This is my Beal trade idea from my podcast with KG LIving Legend:  https://youtu.be/WH2tkjqxa6c

Celtic fans hate it.  Wizard fans hate it.  Maybe it's plausible.