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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: prov1ml34 on December 23, 2012, 11:28:22 PM
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@WojYahooNBA: The Boston Celtics are signing forward Jarvis Varnado of Sioux Falls in the D-League, league source tells Y! Sports.
Here is a scouting report on him:
Jarvis Varnado
A Mississippi State product, Varnado was named D-League Player of the Week for November 23-December 2. The 6-foot, 10-inch forward averaged 15.7 points, 9.3 rebounds, and 5.7 blocked shots per game through the first three games of the season.
Varnado is an athletic, shot blocking post player who physically resembles the body type of Walter McCarty. He was a second-round pick (41st overall) by Miami in 2010, but was waived by the Heat in training camp this fall.
The forward spent the past two years playing in Israel and Italy, while the Heat maintained his rights. This followed a very successful four-year career at Mississippi State, where Varnado averaged 10 points, 7.8 rebounds, and 4 blocks over the course of 141 career games. He finished his career as the only player in NCAA history to record at least 1,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 500 blocks.
Varnado holds the NCAA record for most career blocks with 564, while becoming the first player to be named as the SEC Defensive Player of the Year in three consecutive seasons (2008, 2009, and 2010).
The big man is still raw on the offensive end. He doesn't have a "go to" move and needs to develop a better idea of what to do with the ball in the post. Varnado did show some ability with his back to the basket, feeling the defense and spinning accordingly. He put up 21 points, grabbed eight rebounds, and blocked eight shots against the Springfield Armor last week.
Varnado needs to work harder to defend the post, fight for position and bump the receiver out of his comfort zone. Despite this, he is a solid offensive rebounder and plays the game with energy and enthusiasm. With refinement of his offensive skills, Varnado could eventually get some NBA minutes down the road.
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who?
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i have no idea who dis guy is someone on twitter got mad at me nd said i need to do my homework cuz he was da NCAA all-time leader in blocks. I'll reserve my judgement cuz he could be dis years Stiemsma but rite now i think we reachin, it aint say we signed him to a 10 day contract we outright gave our last roster spot to a random dude named Jarvis
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These are college highlights of dude he looks like a hell of a shotblocker i mean we could use dis when KG comes out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TiUU-RcE_2g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TiUU-RcE_2g)
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why ??? to bench him?
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Much rather have signed Martin or Birdman. I just don't see a guy, that the undersized Heat cut this summer, offering us much more than Melo would.
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The Heat gave up on him. Playing against them he'd be highly motivated.
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I just don't see a guy, that the undersized Heat cut this summer, offering us much more than Melo would.
Ah. Here's the crux of it. Is not this Varnado signing an indictment of just how much the Celtics think Melo can "offer" the team right now?
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Watched a bunch of Varnardo when I was at Ole Miss, he's athletic and great instincts for weak side blocks, but dude is skinny. Rondo might make him useful, think a more talented Ryan Hollins.
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varnado is the answer to a championship.
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He looks alright. Don't know how he is the answer to our problems though
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He looks alright. Don't know how he is the answer to our problems though
apparently dude can block shots rebound nd has an OK post game wit Wilcox out a month guess they think they can find someone in da D League like Stiemsma last year i'll reserve my judgement til i see dude play a big wit a high motor athleticism nd energy cant hurt too bad i guess
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This is the guy who had a thread on him on here like a couple weeks back right?
I like him.
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This is the guy who had a thread on him on here like a couple weeks back right?
I like him.
I like him too.
This from nbadraft.net:
Strengths: The best shot blocker in the country 4.7 BPG ... He controls the paint well ... Extremely long and athletic player with great motor and ability to run the floor ... Improved offensively since a year ago and looks to post up much more than last year ... His go-to move on the low post is to receive the ball on the left side of the floor and turn around to his left shoulder and shoot the right handed hook shot ... Learned to play pick-and –roll effectively … he is a solid cutter to the basket and has no problems catching the ball in traffic ... His points are mostly inside the paint off of put-backs, dunks, offensive rebounds and second shot opportunities (converts a good percentage of shots out to 10 feet) ... Possesses great timing and excellent ability to block shots and he is extremely explosive off the floor ... It’s very difficult to shoot over him or finish around the rim when he is in the game due to his extremely long arms, and if he doesn’t block shots he will alter them ... Due to his extremely long arms and athleticism, Varnado is a very good rebounder both defensively and offensively ... Even though he averages 3.1 offensive rebounds per game, he gets his hands on many loose balls ... Defensively he often lets opponents get position on the low post and makes them shot over him ... a strong help defender ... "
Sounds like we can use his skills. Looking forward to see him protecting the rim.
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Watched a bunch of Varnardo when I was at Ole Miss, he's athletic and great instincts for weak side blocks, but dude is skinny. Rondo might make him useful, think a more talented Ryan Hollins.
A more talented Hollins isnt saying much..
If he can get off the bench maybe he provide some Larry freaking Sanders syndrome for us.
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These are college highlights of dude he looks like a hell of a shotblocker i mean we could use dis when KG comes out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TiUU-RcE_2g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TiUU-RcE_2g)
One word STVTTR - send the video to the refs - you do not want them calling cheap fouls on this guy
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Always was impressed with him in college .. different game here in the NBA, but he should do well in a Doc Rivers, defense-oriented system. We'll see how the chemistry matches up, but I feel pretty positive about this.
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I see he was last listed at basically JaJuan Johnson size. I don't like the sounds of that for someone trying to play PF.
I'm curious to know why Miami waived him and then he opted for the D-League. I'm assuming he was getting more money in Europe. I could see him being your classic second round sleeper ala Milsap, though. Being an NCAA leader in anything is impressive.
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Always was impressed with him in college .. different game here in the NBA, but he should do well in a Doc Rivers, defense-oriented system. We'll see how the chemistry matches up, but I feel pretty positive about this.
The only thing is he won't get that opportunity sadly >:(
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Always was impressed with him in college .. different game here in the NBA, but he should do well in a Doc Rivers, defense-oriented system. We'll see how the chemistry matches up, but I feel pretty positive about this.
The only thing is he won't get that opportunity sadly >:(
D-Leaguers don't usually get a chance in anyone's system. But at least this year Doc is playing a rookie. Even if its less minutes than he needs, it's still better than none.
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I think this kid will actually get some burn.
Wilcox is out and Collins is starting with KG, leaving Sully, Bass and this guy for minutes.
He's a rim protector and although he's not built like an NBA player he has serious hops. Incredible timing and will operate much like Wilcox and Hollins.
Give him a chance while we're playing at .500 and see how he goes.
I guess they'll call up this kid and fab as back up PF and C.
Trade winds are a coming boys....can you hear the whistle of the wind?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded)
''Bill Russell's smiling somewhere in this great country." Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded)
''Bill Russell's smiling somewhere in this great country." Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
If this kid gets any burn and translate a few blocks, Tommy is going to rave about his Russell-esque nature for blocking shots just after they leave a players hand. Tommy loves that sort of thing.
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This has more upside than signing a declining veteran who might be toast.
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He will be the 15th player on the squad. He is 6' 10" so he has height, which the celtics need. What's not to like really.
He looks skinny so I don't know if he can box out, but he does jump well and has incredible timing.
Not sure he can play under the basket due to being thin, but he is worth a try. If he ,looks good in practice doc will give him some playing time.
Maybe he can be this season's steisma. I wish him luck.
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Always was impressed with him in college .. different game here in the NBA, but he should do well in a Doc Rivers, defense-oriented system. We'll see how the chemistry matches up, but I feel pretty positive about this.
The only thing is he won't get that opportunity sadly >:(
Yea well Steimsma got a chance last year so there's that, hopefully Doc throws him out there
D-Leaguers don't usually get a chance in anyone's system. But at least this year Doc is playing a rookie. Even if its less minutes than he needs, it's still better than none.
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what if... he's the next Hakeem.
lol jk.
Looks like he's one of the best players in the D-League. Top 10. Right up there in Efficiency with Shelvin Mack (of our Red Claws) who apparently was just signed by the Wizards. Varnado is leading the D-league in blocks. Cool. Stinksma 2.0.
Will he fill out the Red Claws roster? He and Fab Melo along with Chris Wright and Micha Down... Formidable Children's league roster, baby! lol
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danny is going for stiemsma 2.0
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Could give this guy some serious time if !@$*# hits the fan and we are looking terrible come playoff time, and no trades are made.
He'll be an extra piece to send in a multi-player package for a decent big in the new season.
We need a rim protector and there's no reason why this guy couldn't come in and contribute fairly quickly. He's played pro ball in the physical euro league and was a record holder in NCAA. Plenty of experience and will have one job- protect the basket.
Good to see he's grown an inch since being drafted too.
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Watched a bunch of Varnardo when I was at Ole Miss, he's athletic and great instincts for weak side blocks, but dude is skinny. Rondo might make him useful, think a more talented Ryan Hollins.
A more talented Hollins isnt saying much..
If he can get off the bench maybe he provide some Larry freaking Sanders syndrome for us.
It may not be saying much, but it's true.
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A center with the body of Walter McCarty? Sign me up.
Seriously, I like what I read about his motor, but how much can a 210 pound center contribute? There's a lot more to D than shot-blocking.
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C'mon Danny...why are we signing scrubs when we're desperately in need for a legit and talented big. This is ridiculous
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I dont like the signing at all. He is a great motor guy, don't get me wrong, but we still didn't get big... Here's hoping he'd be good.
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Watched a bunch of Varnardo when I was at Ole Miss, he's athletic and great instincts for weak side blocks, but dude is skinny. Rondo might make him useful, think a more talented Ryan Hollins.
A more talented Hollins isnt saying much..
If he can get off the bench maybe he provide some Larry freaking Sanders syndrome for us.
Like your thinking.
Given all the bad luck that we have had with injuries, heart ailments and circumstances in general the past few years, the basketball gods owe us.
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i think he is small enough to play doc's small ball bs. or he might have a phd in psychology maybe he can treat our mental fatigue problem, right doc?lol
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Watched a bunch of Varnardo when I was at Ole Miss, he's athletic and great instincts for weak side blocks, but dude is skinny. Rondo might make him useful, think a more talented Ryan Hollins.
A more talented Hollins isnt saying much..
If he can get off the bench maybe he provide some Larry freaking Sanders syndrome for us.
I hated Hollins as much as the next guy, but if he wasn't allergic to rebounding I thought he could've be an effective role player.
I'm still waiting for a Ryan Hollins Mind Boggingly misses a rebound mix on youtube, consistent of plays where he's the only one int he area, he goes up for the board, and then the ball darts off his hands to the opponent.
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Well, we had a free roster spot, so before "the great trade swindle" in january-february we get another trade "asset". We'll see Doc showcasing him to raise his value... lol.
I like the signing, he can't be worse than Troy Murphy, and we still had celticbloggers who wanted to give Troy another chance. At least Varnado can do something very well, so if he can learn the basics of the pro game he could help. About his weight, Marcus Camby isn't 280 lbs either, right? If Ryan Hollins could help, after being discarded by the Timberwolves, you know this kid can make it after being cut by the CHeat.
He could be another role player project, or just another Kevinn Pinkney. But the guy deserves a chance.
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I wonder in 10 years how much effect Tyson Chandler will have on the game.
Physically, he's certainly more gifted, but I think his game can show guys like this the importance of really understanding defense, and the importance of setting a good screen.
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I just don't see a guy, that the undersized Heat cut this summer, offering us much more than Melo would.
Ah. Here's the crux of it. Is not this Varnado signing an indictment of just how much the Celtics think Melo can "offer" the team right now?
The Heat have
LeBron/Battier/Lewis
Bosh/Haslem/Anthony
Literally 3 deep in both positions with guys that can blow Melo (or Varnado) out of the water. Plus their projects Pittman and Harrellson.
The Heat have no size but that's obviously not the same as having no bigs that can play. Why would they keep another unbelievably undersized player?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded)
''Bill Russell's smiling somewhere in this great country." Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
If this kid gets any burn and translate a few blocks, Tommy is going to rave about his Russell-esque nature for blocking shots just after they leave a players hand. Tommy loves that sort of thing.
Um....he didn't do that. He sent it back as the guy was dunking it.
Tommy's point is that you're 1000 times more likely to get called for a foul when you're swatting at the ball/wrist/forearm while it's still under the guy's control and he can move it, as opposed to swatting at the ball/air.
If you really watched Stiemsma and saw the way he blocks the majority of shots, you'd know it really is different than most of the shot blockers in the NBA.
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A center with the body of Walter McCarty? Sign me up.
Seriously, I like what I read about his motor, but how much can a 210 pound center contribute? There's a lot more to D than shot-blocking.
He was 210 in 2010. Maybe he's added some weight. But given that he apparently weighed 195 lbs (!) as a freshman, I'm not too hopeful.
Also, I don't seem him as a center, really. He's a shade under 6'10 in shoes.
Sadly, we're so desperate for a big man who can block some shots, that I'd guess we're prepared to roll the dice on anyone.
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I read that Varnado was up around 235lbs towards the end of his spell in college. I don't even think that was his last season at college. I think it was 2nd last year in college. That was what? 3 years ago?
So ... the 210lb weight listing seems well outdated. I'd expect him to clock in at least 235bls and probably in that 240-245lb range.
At 6-10 and around 240lbs, he is about the same size as Chris Andersen would've been. Given his skill-set and descriptions, a Chris Andersen comparison seems fairly apt. Varnado has a chance to be the next Chris Andersen. Andersen came out of the D-League too.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded)
''Bill Russell's smiling somewhere in this great country." Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
If this kid gets any burn and translate a few blocks, Tommy is going to rave about his Russell-esque nature for blocking shots just after they leave a players hand. Tommy loves that sort of thing.
Um....he didn't do that. He sent it back as the guy was dunking it.
Tommy's point is that you're 1000 times more likely to get called for a foul when you're swatting at the ball/wrist/forearm while it's still under the guy's control and he can move it, as opposed to swatting at the ball/air.
If you really watched Stiemsma and saw the way he blocks the majority of shots, you'd know it really is different than most of the shot blockers in the NBA.
It all depends on who's the blocker. If your an all-star its a clean block, as a rookie, you might not be so lucky, many clean blocks will be called as a foul.
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A center with the body of Walter McCarty? Sign me up.
Seriously, I like what I read about his motor, but how much can a 210 pound center contribute? There's a lot more to D than shot-blocking.
At least he has a useful defensive skill. Cs haven't blocked a shot since last year. And they get dunked on for 25 by no name bigs like Greg Smith and Tiago Splitter every night.
I've been pushing for a Varnado try out for a few months now. I applaud Ainge for giving the guy a shot. If e proves he can dunk, run the floor and block a few shots nightly, he just replaces Wilcox who they can use as filler in a deal.
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Sounds like we can use his skills. Looking forward to see him protecting the rim.
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Oh yes put the Banner up. If we can use his skills it shows how weak we really are. Another Cracker Box Toy. MMMmmmm, coolaid is good too. Keep em coming Danny.
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Sounds like we can use his skills. Looking forward to see him protecting the rim.
Oh yes put the Banner up. If we can use his skills it shows how weak we really are. Another Cracker Box Toy. MMMmmmm, coolaid is good too. Keep em coming Danny.
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We found a solid player in Stiemsma last year who helped us win a few games. Not hard to believe we can find another guy to help us for 10 minutes a game here and there.
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I'm curious as to how soon Doc will give him a shot at some playing time.
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As long as he doesn't take minutes away from Sully
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I'm just happy that Danny sees the desperate need for some bigs with height and length. Hopefully he does something about it via trade before the deadline.
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I'm curious as to how soon Doc will give him a shot at some playing time.
They are fairly short-handed without Wilcox (and Darko and Fab Melo in the D-League). I would expect Varnado to get a chance fairly quickly.
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I read this thread quickly so apologies if I missed it but does anyone know the details of the contract? Is if a 10-day or a partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed?
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I don't know much about this guy other than a few scouting reports and some youtube videos.
I can't wait to see him playing as a Celtic.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded)
''Bill Russell's smiling somewhere in this great country." Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
If this kid gets any burn and translate a few blocks, Tommy is going to rave about his Russell-esque nature for blocking shots just after they leave a players hand. Tommy loves that sort of thing.
Um....he didn't do that. He sent it back as the guy was dunking it.
Tommy's point is that you're 1000 times more likely to get called for a foul when you're swatting at the ball/wrist/forearm while it's still under the guy's control and he can move it, as opposed to swatting at the ball/air.
If you really watched Stiemsma and saw the way he blocks the majority of shots, you'd know it really is different than most of the shot blockers in the NBA.
Um.. Hold the horses back. I was making a general statement. Tommy will undoubtedly compare him to Russell if he blocks a few shots in the NBA. But it's Tommy, so that's ok.
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Sounds a little like Chris Johnson, who came to Boston via the d league as well.
Last year Stiemsma and Hollins were able to play very alongside Garnett as a defensive big. I think they give him an opportunity to play right away and he ends up being another gem like the previous two mentioned.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGACVsZfvSM&feature=player_embedded)
''Bill Russell's smiling somewhere in this great country." Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
If this kid gets any burn and translate a few blocks, Tommy is going to rave about his Russell-esque nature for blocking shots just after they leave a players hand. Tommy loves that sort of thing.
Um....he didn't do that. He sent it back as the guy was dunking it.
Tommy's point is that you're 1000 times more likely to get called for a foul when you're swatting at the ball/wrist/forearm while it's still under the guy's control and he can move it, as opposed to swatting at the ball/air.
If you really watched Stiemsma and saw the way he blocks the majority of shots, you'd know it really is different than most of the shot blockers in the NBA.
Um.. Hold the horses back. I was making a general statement. Tommy will undoubtedly compare him to Russell if he blocks a few shots in the NBA. But it's Tommy, so that's ok.
Well that a ridiculous thing to say. Especially considering Tommy never compared Stiemsma to Bill Russell. He never even compared him as a shot blocker or defender. He said he blocks shots LIKE Bill Russell, he was comparing the WAY he blocked shots.
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I watched some of him in college.
I don't think he'll help us. He's a weakside help defender, and that's really all he gives you. Not an offensive threat, not a good man defender. He's not strong enough to deal with centers without help, and even many PF's will overpower him in the post.
On the positive side, he has tremendous length, solid athleticism and great timing. He'll even block jumpshots on the perimeter from time to time when asked to switch. I just don't think it's enough - he doesn't do enough other things well.
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I read this thread quickly so apologies if I missed it but does anyone know the details of the contract? Is if a 10-day or a partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed?
I keep waiting for specifics to come out on that, too. I would guess a couple of successive 10 day contracts to get them through until Wilcox comes back. By then, Danny should figure out a way to trade for a center.
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varnado is the answer to a championship.
High school or D-League?
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He has to make pretty much an instant impact when called upon, or will get buried into the bench until wilcox comesback or melo is called up.
I hope since getting cut by the heat , he has gained 5 to 10 pounds of muscle. He is 225 and should be 240
Basically the Celts have picked up a hybrid of JJJ and John Henson. Has ridiculous wingspan like henson but narrow shoulders like jjj. Like a John Henson light without as much skill, narrow shoulders but on the positive two years of pro experience under his belt.
I can see why danny got him vs some other big man avail in the nbdl. Its the speed Doc needs on the court to make the defense click. If Varnado can give kg 5 minute breathers each quarter, and be a presence on the defensive end ,everything else will be a bonus.
I can already see him getting tommy points praise, with his long arms getting us difficult tip ins, or running the floor hard and dunking a long rondo pass.
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I watched some of him in college.
I don't think he'll help us. He's a weakside help defender, and that's really all he gives you. Not an offensive threat, not a good man defender. He's not strong enough to deal with centers without help, and even many PF's will overpower him in the post.
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I never watched him in college. I did just watch one of his D-League games on the net this morning vs Austin just to see what we're getting, and your description seems spot on. Granted, that's just one game, but just from that one, I saw what you described.
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danny is going for stiemsma 2.0
Why can't Danny just get back Stiemsma 1.0. The guy is not getting alot of time off the wolves bench. I would give them wilcox and a 2nd round pick. Should of never let him go in the first place. Right now i rather have him before Wilcox, lee, barbosa and Jeff Green
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I been watching some more clips of him and i can see why he is considered the best shot blocker outside the nba. Even if he gets muscles and pushed back, his arms are so long he could still block you. Even if he gets pumped faked, he can still block you. Arms are beyond long haha
Imagine if Varnado and Melo pans out , and they are both on the court?? Instantaneously 50-60 percent of teams in the nba we face now have to turn into jump shooting teams. =]
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danny is going for stiemsma 2.0
Why can't Danny just get back Stiemsma 1.0. The guy is not getting alot of time off the wolves bench. I would give them wilcox and a 2nd round pick. Should of never let him go in the first place. Right now i rather have him before Wilcox, lee, barbosa and Jeff Green
Why? From the looks of it, he's not playing well. Low shooting %, poor rebounding (pretty much the same rate as Wilcox).
Wilcox is the superior player between the 2.
I can't comment on Stiems' current defensive situation, but he wasn't good in the pick-and-roll defense, which his a big problem this year, so I don't see him as being a good answer to our woes, let alone trade them Wilcox and a 2nd rounder for him.
That said, Wilcox is currently injured, and we'll that's a big concern, but I really like him, particularly when considering he's playing for us exclusively out of position. Doc started experimenting with a "big" line-up too late. It should have been Wilcox getting the starting call some time back. He's barely played alongside KG this year.
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I read this thread quickly so apologies if I missed it but does anyone know the details of the contract? Is if a 10-day or a partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed?
I keep waiting for specifics to come out on that, too. I would guess a couple of successive 10 day contracts to get them through until Wilcox comes back. By then, Danny should figure out a way to trade for a center.
Teams can't sign players to 10-day contracts until January 5. This is a contract for the rest of the regular season, although it doesn't necessarily have to be fully guaranteed.
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Poormans Stiemer?
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Poormans Stiemer?
I hope not. I hope he's better than Stiemsma. Steimsma was useless during the playoffs last year.
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Poormans Stiemer?
I hope not. I hope he's better than Stiemsma. Steimsma was useless during the playoffs last year.
Stiemsma was solid last year iont get da hate for him on dis site. yall gotta remember dude was playin thru foot injuries he aint even practice wit us
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Just woke up on Christmas morning ......Santa gave me the shaft..(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af13/74Z28PILOT/turrible.gif)
axed for Anderson Varejao in Green and got who dat you say???
Jarvis Varnado....
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Bradley played with this guy during his short stint in Israel. (During the lockout).
I dont expect anything from this guy. If he delivers im all for it, if he doesnt, cut him simple as that. Some of yall are acting like we just traded Rondo for this guy chill. This is a typical Low risk High reward move.
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waste of $
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waste of $
Seconded
We could have got Kenyon Martin for the same money.
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waste of $
Seconded
We could have got Kenyon Martin for the same money.
err, no, we couldn't. Martin is a league vet, his minimum is more than the minimum for a D-league player
Martin has attitude problems too. Supposedly some players on the celtics don't want him here.
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waste of $
dat vets minimmum really gon break da bank for us huh bruh?
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waste of $
Seconded
We could have got Kenyon Martin for the same money.
err, no, we couldn't. Martin is a league vet, his minimum is more than the minimum for a D-league player
Martin has attitude problems too. Supposedly some players on the celtics don't want him here.
Sorry my bad ;D Mistook the league min with the vet min hehe!
I agree that the attitude problem is a big problem, but i still feel like K-Mart instantly could produce something for us compared to the production we are going to see from Varnado.
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Just to clear a few things up:
Kid is now listed at 6' 10" and 235lbs. That's from his stint in Europe where he had solid numbers.
His wing span is 7' 4"
He's the all time leading shot blocker in NCAA history.
He can jump out of the gym. He's tough and physical.
I'd much rather roll the dice on this kid than an old bum who's gonna be injured for 75% of the time here while we pay them 1 million. This kid will cost peanuts on a non-guaranteed deal for the regular season.
If he does work out, he'll be another trade asset. Look how good Steimsma was as a role player after 25 games. Look at Greg Smith for Houston or Chris Copeland for New York.
These guys just need a chance.
Let's give it to him for $450,000.
Even if he's just there putting pressure on our roster in practice and threatening their roster spot with his defense, the least it will do is encourage them to play harder.
This now makes me think we are going after a serious big man, not just a rim protector, in any trades.
The trade winds are a coming. Can you hear them whistling across the shore?
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waste of $
dat vets minimmum really gon break da bank for us huh bruh?
"itz not really gon break da bank bruh", but yous dont hafta spend loot fo' the sake of droppin' duckets
:-X smh
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waste of $
dat vets minimmum really gon break da bank for us huh bruh?
"itz not really gon break da bank bruh", but yous dont hafta spend loot fo' the sake of droppin' duckets
:-X smh
Thank God that I dont need to deal with this speech up here Canada.
Anyways, he is not a waste of $$$, he is a waste of a roster spot. But I should not speak too soon. I actually hope he pans out well with KG in the frontcourt & I wouldnt mind him playing a decent 10mins in the Christmas game. ;D
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waste of $
dat vets minimmum really gon break da bank for us huh bruh?
"itz not really gon break da bank bruh", but yous dont hafta spend loot fo' the sake of droppin' duckets
:-X smh
Thank God that I dont need to deal with this speech up here Canada.
lol..i dont speak like that, i was just responding :)
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I read this thread quickly so apologies if I missed it but does anyone know the details of the contract? Is if a 10-day or a partially guaranteed or non-guaranteed?
I keep waiting for specifics to come out on that, too. I would guess a couple of successive 10 day contracts to get them through until Wilcox comes back. By then, Danny should figure out a way to trade for a center.
Teams can't sign players to 10-day contracts until January 5. This is a contract for the rest of the regular season, although it doesn't necessarily have to be fully guaranteed.
Thanks
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waste of $
dat vets minimmum really gon break da bank for us huh bruh?
"itz not really gon break da bank bruh", but yous dont hafta spend loot fo' the sake of droppin' duckets
:-X smh
look at u trynna stereotype how i type cuz i got my own style stop cryin Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. rofl
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Oh, so Danny has yet again wasted money and a roster spot on an utterly useless bum of a big who will never see playing time and who is too small to play center...because we don't apparently have enough undersized centers masquerading as Power Forwards.
Only way this is good news is of its for backup insurance at the PF spot due to an upcoming trade featuring Bass, who has been downright garbage this year with his 8 or so points and 5 or so rebounds.
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waste of $
dat vets minimmum really gon break da bank for us huh bruh?
"itz not really gon break da bank bruh", but yous dont hafta spend loot fo' the sake of droppin' duckets
:-X smh
look at u trynna stereotype how i type cuz i got my own style stop cryin **** rofl
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Imitating, not stereotyping.
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steamboat lite
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Imitating, not stereotyping.
yea but half those words i wouldnt say so he failed lls
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Just to clear a few things up:
Kid is now listed at 6' 10" and 235lbs. That's from his stint in Europe where he had solid numbers.
His wing span is 7' 4"
He's the all time leading shot blocker in NCAA history.
He can jump out of the gym. He's tough and physical.
I'd much rather roll the dice on this kid than an old bum who's gonna be injured for 75% of the time here while we pay them 1 million. This kid will cost peanuts on a non-guaranteed deal for the regular season.
If he does work out, he'll be another trade asset. Look how good Steimsma was as a role player after 25 games. Look at Greg Smith for Houston or Chris Copeland for New York.
These guys just need a chance.
Let's give it to him for $450,000.
Even if he's just there putting pressure on our roster in practice and threatening their roster spot with his defense, the least it will do is encourage them to play harder.
This now makes me think we are going after a serious big man, not just a rim protector, in any trades.
The trade winds are a coming. Can you hear them whistling across the shore?
If he's packaged for some star, I wouldn't mind, but if the deal is rejected he might develop into something, maybe solid role player. He's only 24
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Is this retarded or what....We NEED A SEVEN FOOT CENTER....to allow KG to play forward....we sign a 6'9" forward.....while our drafted center sits in the D league....let me tell you....a guy will only get as good as his competetion during his development....So bring MELO up and play him as a CENTER......Come on Doc...stop hating the big men..you don't have to wait 5 years to play him.....!!!
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Is this retarded or what....We NEED A SEVEN FOOT CENTER....to allow KG to play forward....we sign a 6'9" forward.....while our drafted center sits in the D league....let me tell you....a guy will only get as good as his competetion during his development....So bring MELO up and play him as a CENTER......Come on Doc...stop hating the big men..you don't have to wait 5 years to play him.....!!!
The Cs obviously feel that Melo isn't ready. Why rush him and possible retard his development? JV is an athletic guy with a long wingspan who was the best shot blocker in NBA history. So what he isn't seven foot tall?
I'd like to see JV get some minutes to see what he can do as a defensively oriented 10th man type. If anything, his presence on the roster will light a fire under the guys in front of him. Sullinger seemed pretty motivated against the Nets.
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Is this retarded or what....We NEED A SEVEN FOOT CENTER....to allow KG to play forward....we sign a 6'9" forward.....while our drafted center sits in the D league....let me tell you....a guy will only get as good as his competetion during his development....So bring MELO up and play him as a CENTER......Come on Doc...stop hating the big men..you don't have to wait 5 years to play him.....!!!
Sullinger is a rookie big man who Doc has been playing since day 1. Just saying.
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JV is an athletic guy with a long wingspan who was the best shot blocker in NBA history.
He was? Then why was he in the D-league, if he was averaging 30-ish bpg? ;)
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JV is an athletic guy with a long wingspan who was the best shot blocker in NBA history.
He was? Then why was he in the D-league, if he was averaging 30-ish bpg? ;)
we signed Bill Russell ?!?!
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Is this retarded or what....We NEED A SEVEN FOOT CENTER....to allow KG to play forward....we sign a 6'9" forward.....while our drafted center sits in the D league....let me tell you....a guy will only get as good as his competetion during his development....So bring MELO up and play him as a CENTER......Come on Doc...stop hating the big men..you don't have to wait 5 years to play him.....!!!
I'm with you, about giving Melo a shot. But i'm also with the celts org to know that one 14 block game doesn't mean suddenly he is then next coming of mutombo or even ready for the nba.
However he does have games where he does 3-5 blocks and 10 rebounds consistently over a 10 game span, and suddenly Danny won't be able to keep him down any longer. The offense is not important as defensive production
For some reason , i predict Danny and company think he will not be able to have 10 good games in a row down at the nbdl this year, thus Varnando pickup. He is at least progressing and has had one monster game under his belt.
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JV is an athletic guy with a long wingspan who was the best shot blocker in NBA history.
He was? Then why was he in the D-league, if he was averaging 30-ish bpg? ;)
we signed Bill Russell ?!?!
Lol I think he means NCAA
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JV is an athletic guy with a long wingspan who was the best shot blocker in NBA history.
He was? Then why was he in the D-league, if he was averaging 30-ish bpg? ;)
we signed Bill Russell ?!?!
Lol I think he means NCAA
Yes, or I'm channeling Tommy Heinson's future pronouncements the first time he sees JV swat a shot.
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This guy reminds me of a skinnier Joel Anthony. I really liked him coming out of Mississippi State besides how skinny he was. It looks like he's filled out a bit but he's still on the slight side. I hope he gets an opportunity to play and can stick around because the Celtics could use another rebounder and shotblocker, obviously.
I was disappointed that the Heat drafted him because the last thing they needed at the time was an athletic front court player who concentrates on nothing else but rebounding and shotblocking. I was sort of surprised he didn't stick around after biding his time in Europe but he's redundant with Joel Anthony on the roster and Anthony doesn't even play much anymore. As for why other teams haven't signed him, it seems like teams rarely make roster moves this early in the season. They're loathed to cut a player this early before contracts are even guaranteed for the year unless a drastic need necessitates it. I hope that's the case why Varnardo hadn't been signed.
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This guy reminds me of a skinnier Joel Anthony. I really liked him coming out of Mississippi State besides how skinny he was. It looks like he's filled out a bit but he's still on the slight side. I hope he gets an opportunity to play and can stick around because the Celtics could use another rebounder and shotblocker, obviously.
I was disappointed that the Heat drafted him because the last thing they needed at the time was an athletic front court player who concentrates on nothing else but rebounding and shotblocking. I was sort of surprised he didn't stick around after biding his time in Europe but he's redundant with Joel Anthony on the roster and Anthony doesn't even play much anymore. As for why other teams haven't signed him, it seems like teams rarely make roster moves this early in the season. They're loathed to cut a player this early before contracts are even guaranteed for the year unless a drastic need necessitates it. I hope that's the case why Varnardo hadn't been signed.
Varnado was the better rebounder to Anthony in college by a fair margin - Anthony was always a weak rebounder.
Varnado's biggest problem (other than his minimal range offensively) has always been that he's a skinny 4/5 tweener. He's an easy mark for bigger guys posting up and he's an easy blow-by for quick guys. Couple that with iffy pick and roll defense and you can see why people passed on him even with his shot-blocking and rebounding credentials.
I'm optimistic though. Stiemsma was a horrible post defender and a weak pick and roll defender to begin the year last year, but his shot-blocking was such an effective defensive deterrent that he got enough minutes to make progress in his areas of weakness.
I think Varnado is a similar caliber shot-blocker and a better rebounder than Steamer - give him some burn now and we might have a rotation quality back-up big man by the end of the season.
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Is this retarded or what....We NEED A SEVEN FOOT CENTER....to allow KG to play forward....we sign a 6'9" forward.....while our drafted center sits in the D league....let me tell you....a guy will only get as good as his competetion during his development....So bring MELO up and play him as a CENTER......Come on Doc...stop hating the big men..you don't have to wait 5 years to play him.....!!!
I'm with you, about giving Melo a shot. But i'm also with the celts org to know that one 14 block game doesn't mean suddenly he is then next coming of mutombo or even ready for the nba.
However he does have games where he does 3-5 blocks and 10 rebounds consistently over a 10 game span, and suddenly Danny won't be able to keep him down any longer. The offense is not important as defensive production
For some reason , i predict Danny and company think he will not be able to have 10 good games in a row down at the nbdl this year, thus Varnando pickup. He is at least progressing and has had one monster game under his belt.
I agree with everything you wrote, except the last paragraph. I doubt Danny really knows...just knows that Melo isn't ready right now. Varnado is a poor-man's replacement for Wilcox (a thin PF who might play a little center) and a body to bring in when Bass is ineffective and Sully is in foul trouble.
Personally, I'd give Melo a 40/60 chance at getting consistently good enough to make it to the C's bench before the All Star break and a 50/50 chance to make it to the big team before the playoffs this year.
But what do I know. I thought Sully was going to be a bust and still don't see him as a starter caliber PF
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Varnado is a poor-man's replacement for Wilcox (a thin PF who might play a little center) and a body to bring in when Bass is ineffective and Sully is in foul trouble.
A poor man's replacement for Wilcox? Does such a someone exist? I shudder at the thought. Even at the risk of sounding foolish, I'm confident in saying that Varnado, because of his defensive abilities, is a better player than Wilcox who rates as one of the dumbest defensive minds in the game. Wilcox makes some of the most headscratching mistakes on defense every game. He has the tendency to help when he shouldn't help, in effect guarding nobody at all, leading to wide open baskets.
I liked Varnado coming out of college and because I was excited the Celtics signed him, I've watched several of his D-League games, which I'm not too proud to admit, but what's been done has been done. I saw a lot to be excited about. He's a very good rebounder who blocks out, can jump and has strong hands to haul in the ball. I'd describe his shotblocking as explosive. His agility and awareness also makes his very well suited to defending pick and rolls.
I'm going a step further with my like for Varnado and say that I wouldn't mind if he starts. The defensive potential with him and KG on the court, with all their agility, their pick and roll defensive capability, rebounding and shotblocking would be really, really fun to watch and potentially very, very effective. I'm drooling thinking about the possible rotations and rim protection. The Celtics haven't had a real defensive partner next to KG since Perkins, although Collins has done a good job besides with his rebounding. What I also like about Varnado is that he's a capable finisher. He's not an offensive non-entity who makes the basket look like the size of a golf hole.
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Varnado is likely a better rebounder and shot blocker. If he can master the wide open dunk as his go-to offensive move, he may earn some minutes. But if he's getting pushed around on defense, those will be few and far between. We'll see. Can't hurt rolling the dice, good big men don't grow on trees (which is why they command exorbitant amounts on the open market).
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Seems like Sean Williams is the comprable... Skinny, short for a C, but OK for PF, longer wing span than his height would indicate, great jumping ability and timing on blocks for help. Doesn't know how to use athleticism as well in a man D. Could be Sean Williams right?
So maybe downside is Sean Williams and upside is Birdman. Not a bad 15th man - also keep in mind C's are near the hard cap, so they are very limited on who can be signed.
Let's say DA is working some trades that involve moving one or more of the guys getting minutes at PF (Sully, Bass, Wilcox, Green), plus maybe they feel this kid can play a better small C than Sully or Wilcox. So they bring him in now and get him ramped up on the system. If injuries hit they have someone ready to go. If a trade goes through they have a back up ready.
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Too bad we didn't have a center that we drafted...and playing well in the D league...oh wait, we do.....hmmmm..We do NOT need another forward....We need a center....too bad doc seems against any 7 footer we get...besides kg....who just tels doc how it is....!
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Too bad we didn't have a center that we drafted...and playing well in the D league...oh wait, we do.....hmmmm..We do NOT need another forward....We need a center....too bad doc seems against any 7 footer we get...besides kg....who just tels doc how it is....!
We need players who can defend, rebound, and protect the rim. Don't understand the fascination with positions.
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It isn't positions...but we aren't running 5 6 footers either....do you understand why we need a center....or any team for that matter...that might be the place to start here. See, kg is a forward, and plays better there....and we do not need him to play all over, like a center has to. Melo would be good for us...and as rondo is still reluctant to stay in front of his man....melo will end up fouling out, like steamer did..because after rondo...the big man is all that is left usually before the hoop. BUT..he is a shot blocker, rebounder..a shot blocker IS a good defender....they have a nose for the ball/play, and LIKES is..! A guy will NEVER get NBA level in the D league.....he will only be a good D leaguer. DOC needs to play him in the NBA.
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Seems like Sean Williams is the comprable... Skinny, short for a C, but OK for PF, longer wing span than his height would indicate, great jumping ability and timing on blocks for help. Doesn't know how to use athleticism as well in a man D. Could be Sean Williams right?
So maybe downside is Sean Williams and upside is Birdman. Not a bad 15th man - also keep in mind C's are near the hard cap, so they are very limited on who can be signed.
Let's say DA is working some trades that involve moving one or more of the guys getting minutes at PF (Sully, Bass, Wilcox, Green), plus maybe they feel this kid can play a better small C than Sully or Wilcox. So they bring him in now and get him ramped up on the system. If injuries hit they have someone ready to go. If a trade goes through they have a back up ready.
Williams was quite a bit more athletic than Varnado (that's why he got drafted in the first round and got so many chances), but Varnado's a better rebounder.
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why ??? to bench him?
LOL Like I said... If I was this dude I'll ask to be sent to the Red Claws. ****!
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Sigh...Doc won't even play the [dang] dude. Might as well start him in any of the next three games we'll most likely lose -- maybe he'll be this year's Stiemsma, who knows?
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Sigh...Doc won't even play the [dang] dude. Might as well start him in any of the next three games we'll most likely lose -- maybe he'll be this year's Stiemsma, who knows?
LOL... The guy SUCKS - flat out stinks. Shoot, the Heat kept the worthless Dexter Pittman over him on their roster. Nothing more than a D-Leaguer...
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Sigh...Doc won't even play the [dang] dude. Might as well start him in any of the next three games we'll most likely lose -- maybe he'll be this year's Stiemsma, who knows?
Doc did let Stiems play right? It's not like Doc was forced to play him.
I don't question him as a talent coach.
The only thing I don't like is how we still slow it down and play like it's 2008 when we have 3 of the best shooting hall of famers and Perk. But I still think he's up there, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th best coach in the NBA currently.
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Why do you guys think every D-Leaguer is a hidden star that "Doc won't play?" I love prospect-watching as much as anybody, but you guys take the homerism (and the Doc-hate) to the point of absurdity at times.
Varnado is on the team because they took a flier on him. They analyze him in practice, not in games. In the meantime, he's a warm body in case of an emergency or junk time.
He likely won't play meaningful minutes for us. If he does pan out, it's probably a few months later, when he understands our scheme well enough to not kill us when he's on the floor.
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Why do you guys think every D-Leaguer is a hidden star that "Doc won't play?"
I don't think think that every D-Leaguer is a hidden star, but I am adamant that the D-League has some players who could step in almost immediately and be a solid rotation player for a team with legitimate championship aspirations. Based on the numbers, I might have preferred a guy like Brian Butch, but I feel like the best of the D-League offers more upside than your typical veteran retread who once was very good but is now on the downside of his career.
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I am ready to get rid of him.
I don't think Varnado offers enough. I didn't like how easily he was pushed around defensively in the spot minutes he has received so far. I think there are better big men out there who can offer the team a lot more (like Kenyon Martin or Chris Andersen).
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I am ready to get rid of him.
I don't think Varnado offers enough. I didn't like how easily he was pushed around defensively in the spot minutes he has received so far. I think there are better big men out there who can offer the team a lot more (like Kenyon Martin or Chris Andersen).
He looked worse than JuJuan :-X