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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #630 on: November 13, 2019, 11:50:36 AM »

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I'm glad he's gone, but I hope Kyrie loses every game. He's a malcontent, and things will end poorly for him in NJ, just as they did here. That we're a better team without a remarkable talent like him shows what a detriment he was to the Celtics.

Also hope Al does too. No personal animosity towards him, if he had gone almost anywhere else, I'd feel differently. But screw the 6ers.

Yes...Brooklyn will not succeed.  I can see them trading for the final two years of Lebron's NBA life/contract.  All the feel-good Nets of last year will end up in LA with AD.  And the aged Lebron will try to put himself, Durant and Kyrie over the top one last time. 

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #631 on: November 13, 2019, 11:58:16 AM »

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Kyrie = Gilbert Arenas

or maybe

Stephon Marbury
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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #632 on: November 13, 2019, 12:17:03 PM »

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Kyrie = Gilbert Arenas

or maybe

Stephon Marbury

Always reminds me of World B Free. Size of a PG, mind of SG. Great scorer and shot-maker with limited skills outside of scoring. Big scoring numbers but doesn't make his teammates better. Low team success due to individualistic nature of his game.

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« Reply #633 on: November 13, 2019, 01:16:14 PM »

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Some of the stuff here...comparing Kyrie to Gilbert Arenas...World B. Free...Stephon Marbury.......

...Did Arenas, World B or Stephon play a KEY role in a championship?

I do know that Kyrie - for all of his zaniness - did not turn a gun on a teammate................................

I get that sports fandom is mostly irrational - place ME on the irrational bus at times, too. But I'm personally NOT making such comparisons...not ignoring Kyrie's talent.

It is simply HILARIOUS how MANY here were ready to toss IT4 out the window for Kyrie....brought up metric after metric making valid your points....then when Danny pulled the trigger and shipped the man out only THEN we find out that Kyrie eventually started having a Secret Lover in BKN.

THEN we got mad and wanted to throw the baby out with the bath water....got mad because things didn't work out for him in BOS.

So what he found a better date.

Evidently - the team on the floor has gotten over Kyrie....even Marcus Smart HIMSELF has stated that Kyrie was NOT the main reason for our issues last year........................

Look, I "GET" that a fanbase has the right to feel one way or the other about a player. But we are acting like Jilted Lovers.

There are plenty of other fish in the sea. Let Kyrie dance with BKN and Durant. Looks like BOS is dancing well with Kemba and a rejuvenated and HEALED Hayward.

I think the CURRENT marriage is turning out just fine. We are FINALLY reunited with Gordon Hayward - and it feels so good.

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« Reply #634 on: November 13, 2019, 01:21:15 PM »

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I am confident World B Free would've won a Championship if he had of had LeBron James as a teammate.

LeBron carried those Cavs teams. Witness how they fell apart whenever he missed a game or went to sit on the bench for a few minutes. They went from title contender to fringe playoff team (and that is being kind).

World B Free would've been awesome with his shot-making ability next to a player like LeBron James.

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« Reply #635 on: November 13, 2019, 01:32:54 PM »

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Yeah I mean Bron made Mo Williams an All Star.
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« Reply #636 on: November 13, 2019, 01:36:31 PM »

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Yeah I mean Bron made Mo Williams an All Star.

Too young to have seen World B Free but Gilbert Arenas was kinda like a rich man's Mo Williams, so he could've easily helped LeBron get a ring too.

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« Reply #637 on: November 13, 2019, 02:20:44 PM »

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I am confident World B Free would've won a Championship if he had of had LeBron James as a teammate.

LeBron carried those Cavs teams. Witness how they fell apart whenever he missed a game or went to sit on the bench for a few minutes. They went from title contender to fringe playoff team (and that is being kind).

World B Free would've been awesome with his shot-making ability next to a player like LeBron James.

But I don't remember World B having the handles OR the ability to get to the rim like Kyrie does.

Pure shooter? Yes. Handles and getting to the basket? No.

Clutch Gene? Don't think so. Don't remember World B hitting game winner shots in the Finals...don't see him having the same impact as Kyrie.

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« Reply #638 on: November 13, 2019, 02:31:58 PM »

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I am confident World B Free would've won a Championship if he had of had LeBron James as a teammate.

LeBron carried those Cavs teams. Witness how they fell apart whenever he missed a game or went to sit on the bench for a few minutes. They went from title contender to fringe playoff team (and that is being kind).

World B Free would've been awesome with his shot-making ability next to a player like LeBron James.

But I don't remember World B having the handles OR the ability to get to the rim like Kyrie does.

Pure shooter? Yes. Handles and getting to the basket? No.

Clutch Gene? Don't think so. Don't remember World B hitting game winner shots in the Finals...don't see him having the same impact as Kyrie.


Handles are nice but I think they're overrated.  It's similar to how no matter how good Kobe actually was, many fans thought he was even better because of his penchant for hitting tough shots.  The flash factor doesn't actually make the buckets worth more.


As for clutch, Kyrie was sure clutch in the 2016 Finals.

Where was the clutch gene when he was playing for the Celtics in the playoffs?

"Clutch" is context specific and can fade fast.
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« Reply #639 on: November 13, 2019, 02:32:32 PM »

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Yeah I mean Bron made Mo Williams an All Star.

LeBron James could probably make ME an All-Star, too - but that doesn't mean I'm going to make game winning clutch shots in the Finals.

Let's get real here - the All-Star game - along with the Dunk Contest, the celebrity game and all the other trimmings - is just entertainment. When you get to the Finals and hit game winning shots - that's another.

Not everyone can do that but Kyrie has demonstrated this time and time again - in BOS, too (See his game-winning shot against none other than Jimmy Butler last Christmas Day).

Neither World B, Pistol-Pete Gilbert nor Stephon has this trait.

The revisionist history on here is amazing.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #640 on: November 13, 2019, 02:37:49 PM »

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Yeah I mean Bron made Mo Williams an All Star.

LeBron James could probably make ME an All-Star, too - but that doesn't mean I'm going to make game winning clutch shots in the Finals.

Let's get real here - the All-Star game - along with the Dunk Contest, the celebrity game and all the other trimmings - is just entertainment. When you get to the Finals and hit game winning shots - that's another.

Not everyone can do that but Kyrie has demonstrated this time and time again - in BOS, too (See his game-winning shot against none other than Jimmy Butler last Christmas Day).

Neither World B, Pistol-Pete Gilbert nor Stephon has this trait.

The revisionist history on here is amazing.
I'm not familiar with World B Free and I think Pistol Pete and Marbury are some of the worst big name guards out there, but Agent Zero not having the clutch gene (I don't buy the concept itself, but I'll play along)? You might have called yourself out with the revisionist history accusation lol, Agent Zero hit a bunch of game winners, he just didn't have an ATG in LeBron James carrying him to multiple finals appearances.
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« Reply #641 on: November 13, 2019, 02:40:45 PM »

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Not everyone can do that but Kyrie has demonstrated this time and time again - in BOS, too (See his game-winning shot against none other than Jimmy Butler last Christmas Day).

Neither World B, Pistol-Pete Gilbert nor Stephon has this trait.

The revisionist history on here is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLuz9TWutT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgsPwt_x7ks


Search YouTube, it's not hard to find examples.


Guys who have the ball in their hands and are trusted to take shots in crunch time usually end up hitting some game winners. 


It's impossible to prove one way or another if Arenas, Marbury etc could have hit the shot Kyrie did.


Regardless, it's silly to pin so much of how you evaluate a guy's worth on a single open three pointer he hit.  It was a huge, historically significant shot, but that's a sample size of one.

I'm still thinking of the many shots he hoisted and missed in the big games he played for the Celtics earlier this calendar year.
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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #642 on: November 13, 2019, 02:46:52 PM »

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I am confident World B Free would've won a Championship if he had of had LeBron James as a teammate.

LeBron carried those Cavs teams. Witness how they fell apart whenever he missed a game or went to sit on the bench for a few minutes. They went from title contender to fringe playoff team (and that is being kind).

World B Free would've been awesome with his shot-making ability next to a player like LeBron James.

But I don't remember World B having the handles OR the ability to get to the rim like Kyrie does.

Pure shooter? Yes. Handles and getting to the basket? No.

Clutch Gene? Don't think so. Don't remember World B hitting game winner shots in the Finals...don't see him having the same impact as Kyrie.


Handles are nice but I think they're overrated.  It's similar to how no matter how good Kobe actually was, many fans thought he was even better because of his penchant for hitting tough shots.  The flash factor doesn't actually make the buckets worth more.


As for clutch, Kyrie was sure clutch in the 2016 Finals.

Where was the clutch gene when he was playing for the Celtics in the playoffs?

"Clutch" is context specific and can fade fast.

So the ability to get to the basket via dribbling...ability to get through traffic via dribbling...is overrated?

Aren't many of us on here berating Jayson Tatum because of his lack of handles?

And as for Kyrie's lack of clutch in the playoffs last year - well ask Gordon Hayward and the whole team - GH because he simply was not himself yet. Ask the entire team because, well - Marcus Smart himself said the entire TEAM did not mesh.

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« Reply #643 on: November 13, 2019, 02:51:16 PM »

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Yeah I mean Bron made Mo Williams an All Star.

LeBron James could probably make ME an All-Star, too - but that doesn't mean I'm going to make game winning clutch shots in the Finals.

Let's get real here - the All-Star game - along with the Dunk Contest, the celebrity game and all the other trimmings - is just entertainment. When you get to the Finals and hit game winning shots - that's another.

Not everyone can do that but Kyrie has demonstrated this time and time again - in BOS, too (See his game-winning shot against none other than Jimmy Butler last Christmas Day).

Neither World B, Pistol-Pete Gilbert nor Stephon has this trait.

The revisionist history on here is amazing.
I'm not familiar with World B Free and I think Pistol Pete and Marbury are some of the worst big name guards out there, but Agent Zero not having the clutch gene (I don't buy the concept itself, but I'll play along)? You might have called yourself out with the revisionist history accusation lol, Agent Zero hit a bunch of game winners, he just didn't have an ATG in LeBron James carrying him to multiple finals appearances.

I called Gilbert "Pistol Pete" due to his silly gun incident.

And yes - Gilbert DID in fact hit some game winners, as Pho Sita alluded to. But none of them were as big as Kyrie's.

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #644 on: November 13, 2019, 03:33:35 PM »

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Yeah I mean Bron made Mo Williams an All Star.

LeBron James could probably make ME an All-Star, too - but that doesn't mean I'm going to make game winning clutch shots in the Finals.

Let's get real here - the All-Star game - along with the Dunk Contest, the celebrity game and all the other trimmings - is just entertainment. When you get to the Finals and hit game winning shots - that's another.

Not everyone can do that but Kyrie has demonstrated this time and time again - in BOS, too (See his game-winning shot against none other than Jimmy Butler last Christmas Day).

Neither World B, Pistol-Pete Gilbert nor Stephon has this trait.

The revisionist history on here is amazing.
I'm not familiar with World B Free and I think Pistol Pete and Marbury are some of the worst big name guards out there, but Agent Zero not having the clutch gene (I don't buy the concept itself, but I'll play along)? You might have called yourself out with the revisionist history accusation lol, Agent Zero hit a bunch of game winners, he just didn't have an ATG in LeBron James carrying him to multiple finals appearances.

I called Gilbert "Pistol Pete" due to his silly gun incident.

And yes - Gilbert DID in fact hit some game winners, as Pho Sita alluded to. But none of them were as big as Kyrie's.


That's no fault of Arenas though. He never played in the Finals and never had a teammate that could help him get there like Lebron can.

Kyrie face planted as a leader of an an exceptionally talented Celtics roster, and his Nets thus far look like they will struggle to make the playoffs in the East.