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The thing about Chemistry
« on: December 14, 2020, 06:51:25 PM »

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...it makes your team better or worse of what’s on paper.

LAL had it and won the championship
Heat had it and made the finals.

From what I have seen so far (preseason)

Brooklyn has it
LAC doesn’t
Denver still has it
Milwaukee lost it
Dallas has it

Philly?
Boston should still have it
Houston?

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...it makes your team better or worse of what’s on paper.

LAL had it and won the championship
Heat had it and made the finals.

From what I have seen so far (preseason)

Brooklyn has it
LAC doesn’t
Denver still has it
Milwaukee lost it
Dallas has it

Philly?
Boston should still have it
Houston?
You are making definitive opinions on the chemistry of teams after one whole preseason game that means nothing?

Not so sure you have enough info to go by just yet.

Re: The thing about Chemistry
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2020, 07:43:04 PM »

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I think it takes 15 or 20 games to sort things out.  At that point, it’s fair to talk about bad chemistry.


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Re: The thing about Chemistry
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I think it takes 15 or 20 games to sort things out.  At that point, it’s fair to talk about bad chemistry.
As a rule, you are correct but sometimes you can see the chemistry will be great right away. The 2007-08 Celtics come to mind, but this is generally the great exception.

Re: The thing about Chemistry
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2020, 08:33:51 PM »

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Thing is though - I think we've had great chemistry from the time that GH, Al and Kyrie were first brought together...

The trajectory of "THAT" Big Three could've been changed drastically if GH hadn't got hurt....

Folks blame Kyrie - and that is your right....and he DOES deserve some of the blame and even admitted to it.

But let's be real - INJURIES have been huge against BOS the last few years.

But I think the components for good chemistry WERE there....it's just that things had to fall in place (ie - no injuries to key personnel) for it all to come together.

Can anyone here imagine if KG had went down in that FIRST GAME against WAS? Our first game in 2007-08? With the same injury he experienced in Utah?

Oftentimes one KEY player going down can affect the trajectory of a team's success.....and when that happens we oftentimes find a scapegoat or two.

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It will be interesting to see. In some cases it is about the group dynamic. One leader-one "next leader"- one malcontent--you can get the rest from "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves."

Depending on how it shakes out, there is one guy who "will die for the ball". He fights the hardest and the rest take their cue from him.

"Us against the world" is a strong play for a team that is not listed as a consensus favorite. The underdog doesn't have to carry the weight of being the team that is the favorite.

The Titans were good examples of this last year. How about the 1967 Red Sox. They took the heavily favored Cardinals and their roster that included seven hall of famers, to seven games.

Doesn't happen like this in the NBA...that often.

The Celtics don't have "any press to read" this year, so the pressure is off. If one bench guy steps up this year? They will be right there at the end as they have a defensive tradition and that is what wins playoff games.

They are one of the youngest teams in the league and they essentially, don't have "real" veteran leadership...their top players are young.

It helps if there is a common enemy and there is too much work to do before facing the Lakers.

 


Re: The thing about Chemistry
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2020, 10:13:48 PM »

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Thing is though - I think we've had great chemistry from the time that GH, Al and Kyrie were first brought together...

The trajectory of "THAT" Big Three could've been changed drastically if GH hadn't got hurt....

Folks blame Kyrie - and that is your right....and he DOES deserve some of the blame and even admitted to it.

But let's be real - INJURIES have been huge against BOS the last few years.

But I think the components for good chemistry WERE there....it's just that things had to fall in place (ie - no injuries to key personnel) for it all to come together.

Can anyone here imagine if KG had went down in that FIRST GAME against WAS? Our first game in 2007-08? With the same injury he experienced in Utah?

Oftentimes one KEY player going down can affect the trajectory of a team's success.....and when that happens we find a scapegoat or two.

Have you been listening to Irving's delusional rants lately ? I'm afraid he has real mental health issues.

No team with Kyrie Irving is going to maintain good chemistry. He is too disruptive and self-centered.
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Re: The thing about Chemistry
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2020, 10:23:23 PM »

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Thing is though - I think we've had great chemistry from the time that GH, Al and Kyrie were first brought together...

The trajectory of "THAT" Big Three could've been changed drastically if GH hadn't got hurt....

Folks blame Kyrie - and that is your right....and he DOES deserve some of the blame and even admitted to it.

But let's be real - INJURIES have been huge against BOS the last few years.

But I think the components for good chemistry WERE there....it's just that things had to fall in place (ie - no injuries to key personnel) for it all to come together.

Can anyone here imagine if KG had went down in that FIRST GAME against WAS? Our first game in 2007-08? With the same injury he experienced in Utah?

Oftentimes one KEY player going down can affect the trajectory of a team's success.....and when that happens we find a scapegoat or two.

Have you been listening to Irving's delusional rants lately ? I'm afraid he has real mental health issues.

No team with Kyrie Irving is going to maintain good chemistry. He is too disruptive and self-centered.

Can I call you---------------

"Dr. Tenn_Smoothie"?

I mean this in JEST, of course, but the point is is that has anyone "diagnosed" Kyrie as having mental issues?

I mean - if he is as bad as folks here say then perhaps there should be some intervention with him.

Heck - sign ME up for that intervention--------------I lived through the last 4 years.

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Yep, cant wait to see who Marcus throws a chair at this year.

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Thing is though - I think we've had great chemistry from the time that GH, Al and Kyrie were first brought together...

The trajectory of "THAT" Big Three could've been changed drastically if GH hadn't got hurt....

Folks blame Kyrie - and that is your right....and he DOES deserve some of the blame and even admitted to it.

But let's be real - INJURIES have been huge against BOS the last few years.

But I think the components for good chemistry WERE there....it's just that things had to fall in place (ie - no injuries to key personnel) for it all to come together.

Can anyone here imagine if KG had went down in that FIRST GAME against WAS? Our first game in 2007-08? With the same injury he experienced in Utah?

Oftentimes one KEY player going down can affect the trajectory of a team's success.....and when that happens we find a scapegoat or two.

Have you been listening to Irving's delusional rants lately ? I'm afraid he has real mental health issues.

No team with Kyrie Irving is going to maintain good chemistry. He is too disruptive and self-centered.

Unless your teammate is LeBron James and with his squad from 2016


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Re: The thing about Chemistry
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 11:06:25 PM »

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The cool thing is that - regardless of the past - our "Current" squad is ready to make the next step....

The Jays and Smart are - I think - the ONLY ones left over that can claim the last 3 years or so of success....that is HUGE and those three are STILL so young......

Our chemistry will be GOLDEN....and adding Tristan will only help.

Losing GH will lessen the mouths to feed BUT give us LESS wiggle room for mistakes...GH - when healthy - covered a MULTITUDE of mistakes with his versatility.

Now it's TIME for The Jays to take that next step....keep that chemistry going and take the keys to this car.

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2020, 12:09:10 AM »

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I think it takes 15 or 20 games to sort things out.  At that point, it’s fair to talk about bad chemistry.
As a rule, you are correct but sometimes you can see the chemistry will be great right away. The 2007-08 Celtics come to mind, but this is generally the great exception.

Conversely you could see in the first preseason game vs Charlotte in 2018-19 that the Celtics didn’t have it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2020, 12:16:15 AM »

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It will be interesting to see. In some cases it is about the group dynamic. One leader-one "next leader"- one malcontent--you can get the rest from "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves."

Depending on how it shakes out, there is one guy who "will die for the ball". He fights the hardest and the rest take their cue from him.

"Us against the world" is a strong play for a team that is not listed as a consensus favorite. The underdog doesn't have to carry the weight of being the team that is the favorite.

The Titans were good examples of this last year. How about the 1967 Red Sox. They took the heavily favored Cardinals and their roster that included seven hall of famers, to seven games.

Doesn't happen like this in the NBA...that often.

The Celtics don't have "any press to read" this year, so the pressure is off. If one bench guy steps up this year? They will be right there at the end as they have a defensive tradition and that is what wins playoff games.

They are one of the youngest teams in the league and they essentially, don't have "real" veteran leadership...their top players are young.

It helps if there is a common enemy and there is too much work to do before facing the Lakers.

All very well said.

I myself am very optimistic. Looks like there’s good leadership on this team.
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I think it takes 15 or 20 games to sort things out.  At that point, it’s fair to talk about bad chemistry.
As a rule, you are correct but sometimes you can see the chemistry will be great right away. The 2007-08 Celtics come to mind, but this is generally the great exception.

Conversely you could see in the first preseason game vs Charlotte in 2018-19 that the Celtics didn’t have it.

There wasn't natural chemistry during the preseason games in 2017/2018 either.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2020, 08:09:15 AM »

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I think it takes 15 or 20 games to sort things out.  At that point, it’s fair to talk about bad chemistry.
As a rule, you are correct but sometimes you can see the chemistry will be great right away. The 2007-08 Celtics come to mind, but this is generally the great exception.

Conversely you could see in the first preseason game vs Charlotte in 2018-19 that the Celtics didn’t have it.

There wasn't natural chemistry during the preseason games in 2017/2018 either.

They were 4-1 though.