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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2020, 01:02:29 PM »

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hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

Graham
Monk
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

Rozier
Barrett
Burks
Toppin
Robinson
Knox ? The Knicks, of all teams, benched him. Now why would Boston want him ?

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2020, 01:07:07 PM »

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Give Charlotte a #2 and $5 million.  They would be thrilled, I suspect.

didn't we already give away half that 5 mill available for the Vincent trade? 

and on that point, seems we would have been better keeping him and/or Kanter for more salary fodder ughhhh

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2020, 01:08:35 PM »

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hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

Graham
Monk
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

Rozier
Barrett
Burks
Toppin
Robinson
Knox ? The Knicks, of all teams, benched him. Now why would Boston want him ?

Its just salary balast for NYKs sake. He would be our 10th man, so its a fine fit there,
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2020, 01:12:52 PM »

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How about

batum plus 2 second rounders from us and hornets plus a couple million from each team to OKC

Johnson plus Hayward to Charlotte

27.5M exception to the Celtics

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2020, 01:25:08 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2020, 01:31:33 PM »

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hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

Graham
Monk
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

Rozier
Barrett
Burks
Toppin
Robinson

Darth, I usually don't agree with you, but this is an excellent idea. Makes sense for all teams involved, Knicks could really use Rozier.  I think Knox is undervalued and would be a decent wing off the bench for us. Still just a kid.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2020, 01:32:42 PM »

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hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

Graham
Monk
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

Rozier
Barrett
Burks
Toppin
Robinson
Knox ? The Knicks, of all teams, benched him. Now why would Boston want him ?

He's an undervalued asset.  Manageable contract.  Great size.  Improved 3 point range.  I think he needs to get out of NYC.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2020, 01:58:59 PM »

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hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

Graham
Monk
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

Rozier
Barrett
Burks
Toppin
Robinson

Darth, I usually don't agree with you, but this is an excellent idea. Makes sense for all teams involved, Knicks could really use Rozier.  I think Knox is undervalued and would be a decent wing off the bench for us. Still just a kid.

Thanks.

lol

I do think the same about kNox, and I think it works for all three teams.
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2020, 02:11:46 PM »

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Give Charlotte a #2 and $5 million.  They would be thrilled, I suspect.

didn't we already give away half that 5 mill available for the Vincent trade? 

and on that point, seems we would have been better keeping him and/or Kanter for more salary fodder ughhhh

It was $1 million to dump Poirier's $2.5 million salary, which is weird (unless Presto thinks Poirier has some value, which would actually be even weirder)
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2020, 02:13:57 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
If the team's center position is all filled with three guys already and a project center as a possible 2 way player, why would the Celtics bring in Zeller. There is just no incentive.

If Batum has been stretched, just ask Charlotte to do the S&T for a couple second rounders or a future 1st with protections that descend down to two second rounders

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2020, 02:20:15 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
If the team's center position is all filled with three guys already and a project center as a possible 2 way player, why would the Celtics bring in Zeller. There is just no incentive.

If Batum has been stretched, just ask Charlotte to do the S&T for a couple second rounders or a future 1st with protections that descend down to two second rounders

As the roster currently stands it's filled.  They can open a spot for a player by releasing Green.  They can free up two more spots by trading Semi and Edwards.  We still don't know if Tacko and Tremont are signing their tenders becoming 2 way players again.  Lot's of moving parts to take players back.  I'm sure the C's just want the TPE without taking on any players.  The only ones interesting are Monk and Bridges and there is no way Charlotte is giving up two young pieces.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2020, 02:28:12 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
If the team's center position is all filled with three guys already and a project center as a possible 2 way player, why would the Celtics bring in Zeller. There is just no incentive.

If Batum has been stretched, just ask Charlotte to do the S&T for a couple second rounders or a future 1st with protections that descend down to two second rounders

As the roster currently stands it's filled.  They can open a spot for a player by releasing Green.  They can free up two more spots by trading Semi and Edwards.  We still don't know if Tacko and Tremont are signing their tenders becoming 2 way players again.  Lot's of moving parts to take players back.  I'm sure the C's just want the TPE without taking on any players.  The only ones interesting are Monk and Bridges and there is no way Charlotte is giving up two young pieces.

I think Monk is expiring and Charlotte has guards already. I’d take a chance on Monk.

Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2020, 02:34:21 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
If the team's center position is all filled with three guys already and a project center as a possible 2 way player, why would the Celtics bring in Zeller. There is just no incentive.

If Batum has been stretched, just ask Charlotte to do the S&T for a couple second rounders or a future 1st with protections that descend down to two second rounders

As the roster currently stands it's filled.  They can open a spot for a player by releasing Green.  They can free up two more spots by trading Semi and Edwards.  We still don't know if Tacko and Tremont are signing their tenders becoming 2 way players again.  Lot's of moving parts to take players back.  I'm sure the C's just want the TPE without taking on any players.  The only ones interesting are Monk and Bridges and there is no way Charlotte is giving up two young pieces.

I think Monk is expiring and Charlotte has guards already. I’d take a chance on Monk.
I liked Monk as a prospect and I think if realized he could provide a scoring punch to our second unit. However, he did get suspended for doing coke last year not sure we could count on him long term.
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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the table
« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2020, 03:11:06 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
If the team's center position is all filled with three guys already and a project center as a possible 2 way player, why would the Celtics bring in Zeller. There is just no incentive.

If Batum has been stretched, just ask Charlotte to do the S&T for a couple second rounders or a future 1st with protections that descend down to two second rounders

As the roster currently stands it's filled.  They can open a spot for a player by releasing Green.  They can free up two more spots by trading Semi and Edwards.  We still don't know if Tacko and Tremont are signing their tenders becoming 2 way players again.  Lot's of moving parts to take players back.  I'm sure the C's just want the TPE without taking on any players.  The only ones interesting are Monk and Bridges and there is no way Charlotte is giving up two young pieces.

I think Monk is expiring and Charlotte has guards already. I’d take a chance on Monk.
I liked Monk as a prospect and I think if realized he could provide a scoring punch to our second unit. However, he did get suspended for doing coke last year not sure we could count on him long term.

I think that the hold up right now is coming up with a deal of Rozier to NYK and some sort of salary coming to Boston with the TPE.

I am game for that as long as the salary returning would leave enough room in the TPE to try and nab Barnes from Sactown.

Hayward to Charlotte
Rozier and a TPE to NYK
TPE and Romeo to Sacramento
Knox, Barnes and Ramsey to Boston.


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Re: Hayward sign-and-trade still on the tabl
« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2020, 03:15:29 PM »

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Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.
Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.
Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.
The TPE will be good for a full year, it can be used next off season.  Zeller is still available to trade this year if you don't use him.  So you get a large expiring contract on a decent player (again 11/7 in 23 mpg) and a TPE that you can use next summer.  That seems like a good value move rather than adding yet another pick in the 20's to the roster, which given Ainge keeps selling those off we might do anyway.
If the team's center position is all filled with three guys already and a project center as a possible 2 way player, why would the Celtics bring in Zeller. There is just no incentive.

If Batum has been stretched, just ask Charlotte to do the S&T for a couple second rounders or a future 1st with protections that descend down to two second rounders

As the roster currently stands it's filled.  They can open a spot for a player by releasing Green.  They can free up two more spots by trading Semi and Edwards.  We still don't know if Tacko and Tremont are signing their tenders becoming 2 way players again.  Lot's of moving parts to take players back.  I'm sure the C's just want the TPE without taking on any players.  The only ones interesting are Monk and Bridges and there is no way Charlotte is giving up two young pieces.

I think Monk is expiring and Charlotte has guards already. I’d take a chance on Monk.
I liked Monk as a prospect and I think if realized he could provide a scoring punch to our second unit. However, he did get suspended for doing coke last year not sure we could count on him long term.

He’s a buy low candidate.