Hayward sign-and-trade completed

[RodyTur10]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

I would do that. It would really help Charlotte and we currently have $16M room to fill till we hit the tax line.
We can always trade away Theis or Zeller to a 3rd team before the trade deadline or now for another asset.
(possible targets Ross, A.Gordon, Valanciunas)

[footey]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

I would do that. It would really help Charlotte and we currently have $16M room to fill till we hit the tax line.
We can always trade away Theis or Zeller to a 3rd team before the trade deadline or now for another asset.
(possible targets Ross, A.Gordon, Valanciunas)

I'd take back a smaller contract, not Zeller.  We don't need another center.  Want to maximize the TPE amount.

[Moranis]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

[jambr380]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.

[liam]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

I would do that. It would really help Charlotte and we currently have $16M room to fill till we hit the tax line.
We can always trade away Theis or Zeller to a 3rd team before the trade deadline or now for another asset.
(possible targets Ross, A.Gordon, Valanciunas)

I'd take back a smaller contract, not Zeller.  We don't need another center.  Want to maximize the TPE amount.

Monk?  Still only 22 I think.

[Csfan1984]

Batum, Bridges and 2023 1st (top 3 protected) for Hayward, Semi, Edwards and two 2nds.

This would satisfy me on them not doing the Pacers deal. Saves Hornets a good deal of money. Makes up the Kanter deal too.

Start year as
PG-Walker, Teague, Waters*
SG-Smart, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford*
SF-Brown, Batum
PF-Tatum, GW, Bridges
C-Theis, Thompson, Timelord

*two way Waters up and Pritchard to SG till Langford is ready again.

There's no reason for Charlotte to give up Bridges and a 1st. This isn't a real negotiation because they can sign Gordon without us facilitating it. I think a TPE and a random end of bench dude should be the height of fans' expectations here.

Money is the reason. Teams trade 1st for pairs of 2nds, for salary dumps, and even just cash. They are saving $9 millon per year over 3 years against the cap and literally saving $27 million this year where Covid will limit revenue. It's a huge deal to save that.

[Moranis]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.

Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

[hpantazo]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.

Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

[Darth_Yoda]

I want the TPE.
Hayward and a first for a sign and trade TPE

There is no reason for that to happen from MJs side, just Danny's.

Also, if my math is correct, Charlotte would need to shed about 8 million to not have to waive Batum.

Zeller
Rozier
Monk and Bridges all make up that amount.

This could easily turn into a 3 team deal involving Rozier or it is just a simple Pick for TPE

Hayward to Charlotte
Rozier to OKC
TPE to Boston

[jambr380]

Who would be willing to take back Cody Zeller (1 yr, $15M) and a future protected first in a sign and trade?

By taking on Zeller, we get an exemption (Probably around $13M) and a future pick.  For Charlotte, it is the cost of dumping some salary.  Feels like a fair compromise to me.

Why would Charlotte give up their starting center and a 1st just so they avoid stretching Batum (who isn't going to play)?  They might move Zeller in this sort of trade, but it would be Boston giving up the 1st round pick, not Charlotte.

I don't think either team would want to give up a 1st in this scenario. You have to be kidding if you think the Cs would give up a 1st as well as losing half of their potential ~$30M TPE. I understand CHA doesn't want to give up an asset either, but they are the ones that would be saving a good chunk of money over the next 3 years to do this...and it's not like Cody Zeller isn't easily replaceable. I honestly prefer all 4 of our Centers (Theis, TT, both Williams') over Zeller.

More likely is Zeller goes to a 3rd team, with us getting a slightly cheaper, more useful player, and a decent sized TPE; or Zeller fitting into some other team's TPE and us getting the full TPE.

Zeller has an expiring contract that can be used in a trade this year and saving the TPE for the summer.  In addition, to Zeller actually being a decent big 11/7 in 23 mpg.  It is fine if you don't want to acquire Zeller, then you don't get a TPE because Charlotte has no real incentive to do that.  They are perfectly fine just stretching Batum and then Boston gets nothing.  I'd rather have the useful player on a good sized expiring contract and a good sized TPE to use later, then nothing, even at the expense of a protected 1st because quite frankly, Boston doesn't need any more mid to late 1st rounders on the team anyway.

Strongly agree with this. I would easily give up a mid to late 1st for a 28 million dollar trade exception. That's a no-brainer for a team already loaded with recent draft picks on the roster who is trying to contend.

I don't think you quite understood his post. He said that he would like us to give up a 1st for Zeller and a $13-15M TPE, not a 1st for just the $28-30M TPE. If we took on Zeller, the TPE would be pretty much useless anyway since ownership probably doesn't want to go into the tax this season for Zeller and whatever they could get with the other TPE.

I also think you are being very generous with handing out picks. We literally facilitated a s&t w/ CHA just last year in order to let them acquire/sign Rozier, and the only thing CHA gave up was a 2nd round pick swap (not even a whole 2nd rounder). Jordan would have to be a real jerk not to return the favor. I can see offering a 2nd, but we need to save the 1st(s) for whatever trade we use the hypothetical TPE in later on.

[Roy H.]

Give Charlotte a #2 and $5 million.  They would be thrilled, I suspect.

[Darth_Yoda]

Zeller, Edwards, Boston 2021 first  to Sacramento

Barnes and Belica to Boston

Hayward to Charlotte.

Charlotte saves money by not waiving Batum. Still have a few free agency dollars left.
Sacramento adds a center  (they only have 1 on the roster) and shed long term salary of Barnes
Boston adds a bench sf/pf and gains another 5-7 million dollar TPE

Kemba/Teague/PP
Smart/Nesmith/Romeo
Brown/Barnes/Semi
Tatum/Bjelica/GrantW
Thompson/Theis/Timelord

[hpantazo]

Give Charlotte a #2 and $5 million.  They would be thrilled, I suspect.

Yeah, a future 2nd and some pocket cash for gambling and MJ's good

[Vermont Green]

Hard to gage what is going on.  Stretching Batum gives them 3 years of dead cap hits.  Keeping him means taking a 1 year hit but keeping a player that isn't really going to help and no one is going to want to trade for.  Not sure which of those is worse for them actually but it does seem like it would be better for them to just take the hit on Batum and be done with it.

To do the latter, they need to send back Zeller I think.  Not sure if they view him as "their starting center" and a valuable piece or something they would prefer to dump.  My guess is that Danny is looking for a 3rd team what can take Zeller on send something to the Celtics.  Probably not many options for that.

So it comes down to Charlotte being willing to offer a trade of second round picks or something just to be nice and give the Celtics a TPE. 

[Darth_Yoda]

hayward to Charlotte

Rozier to NYK

Knox and TPE to Boston

Graham
Monk
Hayward
Washington
Zeller

Rozier
Barrett
Burks
Toppin
Robinson