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Re: Cousins to the wiz
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2018, 01:12:41 PM »

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Cousins to the Wiz isn’t impossible, but it is very difficult if he signs for the max or within a couple million of it.  For example, if the trade was Otto Porter for Cousins straight up, Cousins could make no more than about $25.5 million in year 1, and the Wizards could have no more than 13 players on their roster without making additional moves, as they would be subject to the hard cap.  Meanwhile, a straight Cousins-Porter swap puts New Orleans above the luxury tax with only 11 players on the roster, so that’s not ideal for them either.

Furthermore, if Cousins negotiates the max, the Wizards would have to send out at least $6.5 million in salary (again leaving them with a 13-man roster).  New Orleans can’t take on that extra salary themselves, because they can only take back $27.2 million in the deal due to Base-Year Compensation rules, and Porter makes a little over $26 million himself.

All this is to say that a Cousins S&T with Washington is a very difficult thing to negotiate, and will likely require at least a third team to help out.  So I doubt that this is a close-to-done deal 5 days before teams can negotiate with players.

Achilles’ injuries are career killers. Wizards giving him any kind of money now would be a grave error.

They’re already giving Ian Mahinmi $31 million over the next two years to be useless while clogging up their payroll as they try to contend, so what have they got to lose?

Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2018, 01:14:04 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant? 


Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2018, 01:38:35 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great). 
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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2018, 01:42:01 PM »

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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2018, 02:40:54 PM »

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http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/demarcus-cousins-nba-free-agency-rumors-news-pelicans-mavericks-lakers-wizards-contract/bb3qkdr7827e1ndvux9zg5187
that article is a bunch of nonsense and no real rumors of any kind.

Yeah we need a "Speculation" category, because this sort of scenario can be worth talking about, it's just when it's presented as something that's supposedly happening everyone's gonna get annoyed.

Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2018, 02:59:49 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great).

I don't know how real the rumor is but a Porter-for-Cousins deal is something that has come up before. I think it would be a really good idea for both teams. Just look at what NO did after Cousins went down and now think about what they could do with a real SF on the team.
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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2018, 03:40:15 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great).

Do you even watch their games? He has no ball skills, can’t make a move to the basket to save his life. Will go down as a terrible contract.

Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2018, 03:40:30 PM »

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I may be in the minority, but I don’t believe Porter is that good.

He’s gonna make $25M this season and cannot be anything more than your 3rd best player. He’s a good shooter and decent rebounder/defender I guess. If WAS wants to take a chance that DMC returns healthy, he’s worth the risk and can make Beal their third best player (perhaps what he should be).

I’m sure with more usage Porter would put up better stats, but he sure is getting paid like a superstar.

I do think he’d be a good fit alongside AD and Rondo (if he returns), but does he elevate them beyond a mid-seed playoff team? Big contract to take on to not improve significantly, and into the luxury tax they will go.
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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2018, 04:04:04 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great).

Do you even watch their games? He has no ball skills, can’t make a move to the basket to save his life. Will go down as a terrible contract.
Of course I've seen their games.  Porter is a high level defender, one of the best 3 point shooters in the game (he finished 3rd this year and 4th last year in 3PT%, is 10th all time among active players, and 27th all time in league history), and has gotten better every single year he has been in the league (and just turned 25).  He is a credible rebounder and a solid passer for a 3/4 combo player (66% at the 3 and 34% at the 4 last year).  His on/off court numbers are phenomenal.  Porter is vastly underrated, in part because Wall and Beal are the flashy players who dominant the ball, but Porter is a real catalyst for that team (they were 1-4 in the 5 games he didn't play, as a small sample size example).  He isn't a great athlete, which diminishes his ceiling (and obviously also affects his ball handling), but Porter is absolutely worth his contract and I'd love him on the Celtics. 
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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2018, 04:12:30 PM »

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Good spot for him. Now he's back with wall that should be real interesting. Makes me double up on neededing Dwight.

Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2018, 04:40:26 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great).

Do you even watch their games? He has no ball skills, can’t make a move to the basket to save his life. Will go down as a terrible contract.
Of course I've seen their games.  Porter is a high level defender, one of the best 3 point shooters in the game (he finished 3rd this year and 4th last year in 3PT%, is 10th all time among active players, and 27th all time in league history), and has gotten better every single year he has been in the league (and just turned 25).  He is a credible rebounder and a solid passer for a 3/4 combo player (66% at the 3 and 34% at the 4 last year).  His on/off court numbers are phenomenal.  Porter is vastly underrated, in part because Wall and Beal are the flashy players who dominant the ball, but Porter is a real catalyst for that team (they were 1-4 in the 5 games he didn't play, as a small sample size example).  He isn't a great athlete, which diminishes his ceiling (and obviously also affects his ball handling), but Porter is absolutely worth his contract and I'd love him on the Celtics.

He is  classic 3 and D small forward who is a poor, not below average, poor, ball handler incapable of making a move off the dribble. Your tendency to focus singularly on statistics is clouding your observations of the player.

 One of your worst posts in a while, probably since you stated Terry Rozier was worthless.

Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2018, 04:57:39 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great).

Do you even watch their games? He has no ball skills, can’t make a move to the basket to save his life. Will go down as a terrible contract.
Of course I've seen their games.  Porter is a high level defender, one of the best 3 point shooters in the game (he finished 3rd this year and 4th last year in 3PT%, is 10th all time among active players, and 27th all time in league history), and has gotten better every single year he has been in the league (and just turned 25).  He is a credible rebounder and a solid passer for a 3/4 combo player (66% at the 3 and 34% at the 4 last year).  His on/off court numbers are phenomenal.  Porter is vastly underrated, in part because Wall and Beal are the flashy players who dominant the ball, but Porter is a real catalyst for that team (they were 1-4 in the 5 games he didn't play, as a small sample size example).  He isn't a great athlete, which diminishes his ceiling (and obviously also affects his ball handling), but Porter is absolutely worth his contract and I'd love him on the Celtics.

He is  classic 3 and D small forward who is a poor, not below average, poor, ball handler incapable of making a move off the dribble. Your tendency to focus singularly on statistics is clouding your observations of the player.

 One of your worst posts in a while, probably since you stated Terry Rozier was worthless.

I think this was true a year ago but he made real improvement last season. He's still not great but he's improved a lot and, as far as I've seen, is an adequate ballhandler for a third option.
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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2018, 05:00:25 PM »

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I really wonder what Porter could become if they gave him more chances to actually do things with the ball. Its possible that he's just a Trevor Ariza type, but I really do think he's more talented than that.

Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2018, 05:01:55 PM »

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Otto Porter is a great fit for the Pelicans.  He's a better fit than Cousins.  However, at full health Cousins is the greater impact player.  Anthony Davis looks less dominant when Cousins is on the floor than when Mirotic is next to him (obviously).  But if the goal is taking down GS, the Pelicans clunky lineup with Cousins has the better chance.

The Cousin's injury was the saddest injury of the season after Hayward's....not only would a closer series against GS been exciting for fans, it also would have increased Cousin's value in a sign and trade by a lot.  And it even would have given the Pels the option of keeping Cousins and receiving a landslide of assets for Davis.  As things stand now they'd be foolish to trade Davis unless starting completely over. 

Having said all that....if post injury Boogie can net Otto Porter then the Pels have to think about accepting that...(but with the injury they probably can't ask for a draft pick along with).

Rondo
Jrue
Porter
Mirotic
Davis

Very nice starting lineup....

How is Porter's defense?  Any chance of him slowing/pestering Durant?
Porter is an excellent defender and excellent 3 point shooter.  He is the near prototypical modern SF (though lacks the athleticism to be truly great).

Do you even watch their games? He has no ball skills, can’t make a move to the basket to save his life. Will go down as a terrible contract.
Of course I've seen their games.  Porter is a high level defender, one of the best 3 point shooters in the game (he finished 3rd this year and 4th last year in 3PT%, is 10th all time among active players, and 27th all time in league history), and has gotten better every single year he has been in the league (and just turned 25).  He is a credible rebounder and a solid passer for a 3/4 combo player (66% at the 3 and 34% at the 4 last year).  His on/off court numbers are phenomenal.  Porter is vastly underrated, in part because Wall and Beal are the flashy players who dominant the ball, but Porter is a real catalyst for that team (they were 1-4 in the 5 games he didn't play, as a small sample size example).  He isn't a great athlete, which diminishes his ceiling (and obviously also affects his ball handling), but Porter is absolutely worth his contract and I'd love him on the Celtics.

He is  classic 3 and D small forward who is a poor, not below average, poor, ball handler incapable of making a move off the dribble. Your tendency to focus singularly on statistics is clouding your observations of the player.

 One of your worst posts in a while, probably since you stated Terry Rozier was worthless.

I think this was true a year ago but he made real improvement last season. He's still not great but he's improved a lot and, as far as I've seen, is an adequate ballhandler for a third option.
Yep.  And he is one of the best 3 point shooters in the world, a high level defender, and a good rebounder and passer.  Those type of players don't just grow on trees, especially at age 25 and signed long term.  I'm certainly not suggesting he should be a #1 option, he isn't as he isn't athletic enough (which I have to keep saying affects things like ball handling), but he absolutely can be a main contributing piece on a real contender.  He is also the perfect fit in New Orleans and really could get them to the next level (not on the level of GS, but certainly a much better matchup against them) with Davis, Mirotic, Holiday, and Rondo.  That team is a nasty defensive team and makes up for the guards lack of shooting by having excellent shooters on the wings (and even Davis is pretty solid from outside). 
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Re: Cousins to the wiz (Rumor)
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2018, 05:02:37 PM »

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I really wonder what Porter could become if they gave him more chances to actually do things with the ball. Its possible that he's just a Trevor Ariza type, but I really do think he's more talented than that.
he is a better shooter and defender than Ariza right now even with the lack of opportunities.
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