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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #675 on: May 08, 2019, 10:42:37 PM »

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I’m cool with us trading literally everyone to be honest.   Blow it up.  Start over.   I’m officially warming up the engine on the 2019-20 tank bandwagon.
I suppose you want to replace Danny with Hinkie to make your dreams come true too.
if Danny retires we should give it a strong look.

Right, cause the process really looks like it's going to yield Philly a championship.

Oh wait.

At least Philly's made their series closer and more interesting than Boston did. And it doesn't look like Danny's "master plan" is gonna yield Boston a championship either.

All that tanking to make a 2nd round series "closer and more interesting" doesn't seem like a very good return.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #676 on: May 08, 2019, 10:44:40 PM »

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So in all fairness no one has ever said anything negative about brads coaching until we got a PG who was a “genius”. Everyone commended Brad for taking the Celtics to the ECF every year until...what guys? He brought in Gordon and then he got hurt... why did he get hurt? Whose fault was it really? The genius?

Kyrie shot showed us he’s not a leader. Every player around him has degraded. All season this team was unfun to watch the only excitement was Brown and Rob3. I’m disappointed in Kyrie because I was starting to like him a bit. I started to blame the players around him, in saying they are just missing the shots he’s setting them up for. All that maybe true but it’s no excuse to constantly put up 20 shots and missing the majority of them!

Like al through the pacers series he never took 20 shots now the entire Bucks series he takes 20+... It’s just not right. He really needs to mature, like a lot.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #677 on: May 08, 2019, 10:44:53 PM »

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At least we have a lot of draft picks coming up ;D

Bleh. The Kings pick is a total bummer compared to what I (and most) thought it would be. And Danny will probably just draft more combo guards and undersized bigs. ::)
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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #678 on: May 08, 2019, 10:44:59 PM »

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We need some vets on this team jaylen Tatum and rosier have peaked

Is this a joke? Tatum is 21 and just finished his second year in league- peaked? You need leadership to grow as a player and team..apparently we had neither this year.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #679 on: May 08, 2019, 10:47:50 PM »

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"I did a bad job."

- Brad Stevens after the Game 5 loss

#NBAPlayoffs

What's this - the 30th game this year he's said this, yet he continues to not walk the walk after talking the talk? It's nice that he recognize his shortcomings, but if it doesn't lead to any positive changes then what good is it? I think Brad knows that he has been in over his head all season long.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #680 on: May 08, 2019, 10:50:01 PM »

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"I did a bad job."

- Brad Stevens after the Game 5 loss

#NBAPlayoffs

What's this - the 30th game this year he's said this, yet he continues to not walk the walk after talking the talk? It's nice that he recognize his shortcomings, but if it doesn't lead to any positive changes then what good is it? I think Brad knows that he has been in over his head all season long.

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1126316137216712704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1126316137216712704&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Stevens on the team's lack of fight: "That's what eats at me the most. We cracked more than we should have. We need to be better than that. I'll be the first to say that this is the most trying year I've had as a coach. I did a bad job. If the team doesn't fit, that's on you."

Straight out of the horse's mouth.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #681 on: May 08, 2019, 10:51:09 PM »

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Bud literally outcoached Steven's so badly, it's like he did it with his eyes closed.
More like the bucks are much better.  But okay.

Stevens roster management was exposed this year. These guys walked all over him.
Or they wer never that good and never fit properly.

They only didn't fit properly due to p--- poor talent management and coaching. The stylistic fit is there and capable of working; it's the personality and character fit that was suspect, which is something that can be managed by effective coaching and leadership. Brad Stevens single greatest mistake is not defining the roles early on, which has just allowed the chemistry issues to fester and exacerbate all season long.
Show me the complementary players that know their role.  Show me the specialist that can really really shoot.  The fit of these players is awful.

THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR ROLE BECAUSE THE COACH NEVER DEFINED THEM EARLY ON! That's the entire problem, and that's why you had the young/old dichotomy in the locker room early on.

The level of talent is absolutely there, and while not an absolutely perfect fit, their talents are complementary enough to work well together. The talent has just been completely mismanaged and in a p--- poor offensive philosophy, which has served as a barrier to these guys meshing.
Buddy, the coach doesn’t define their roles.  The players given their skillset do.  Great teams happen organically.

Lol that's why Giannis and the Bucks were so good last year with Kidd and Prundy. Just a coincidence that a coach of the year comes in and they maximize the talent they have and become the best team in the NBA.  ::)

To be fair, adding Lopez and a few other players certainly didn't hurt, but the biggest difference in that team is much better coaching and leadership and a much better offensive philosophy.
My point is simple; there was a Grand Canyon type gap between these two teams.  That’s no coaching.

As for kid, I’m not saying there aren’t some terrible coaches out there. Just that Brad isn’t one of them. And giannis was half the player he is now when Kidd was there.  He’s now among the best in the world.  So it’s certainly not coaching that’s making them great.

But my original point stands.  If the coach has to tell the players their role, we’re in trouble.

How does the coach not tell guys what's expected out of them? That's literally his job. He's there to put his guys in a position to succeed.  You think any good coach would have let his guys go down time aftef time and launch a 3 after 1 FREAKING PASS?

I do not get the love affair with this coach. We make the ECF despite having a few injuries and he's red reincarnate. Ever elimination game for the last 3 years has played out the same. They play poor defense and every single clown on this team thinks they're in the 3pt competition. Meanwhile our coach just stands there like a kid not wanting to eat his veggies. GOOD COACHES don't allow their team to play so unorganized.

It absolutely should not have taken until game 5 for this guy to get animated about giannis taking a world tour in the paint either.

He's not a good coach. Maybe a few more playoff exits will finally get people to figure this out.
Still don't believe in Joe.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #682 on: May 08, 2019, 10:51:42 PM »

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At least we have a lot of draft picks coming up ;D

Bleh. The Kings pick is a total bummer compared to what I (and most) thought it would be. And Danny will probably just draft more combo guards and undersized bigs. ::)

If there is another Giannis out there, we can count on him to pass on him for another Olynyk/Rozier

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #683 on: May 08, 2019, 10:53:36 PM »

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"I did a bad job."

- Brad Stevens after the Game 5 loss

#NBAPlayoffs

What's this - the 30th game this year he's said this, yet he continues to not walk the walk after talking the talk? It's nice that he recognize his shortcomings, but if it doesn't lead to any positive changes then what good is it? I think Brad knows that he has been in over his head all season long.

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1126316137216712704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1126316137216712704&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Stevens on the team's lack of fight: "That's what eats at me the most. We cracked more than we should have. We need to be better than that. I'll be the first to say that this is the most trying year I've had as a coach. I did a bad job. If the team doesn't fit, that's on you."

Straight out of the horse's mouth.

Well little man, time to change your coaching philosophy. No more 3-balls. No more systemizing your team to roll out to the 3-point line rather than rolling into the rim. No more drafting/signing/trading for all these small-forwards creating a logjam. Time to start signing bigs (regardless if they can shoot 3s or not) and balancing the roster.

And good riddance Terry Rozier. I do not want to see this man's face or presence anywhere near the Celtics facility again.


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Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #684 on: May 08, 2019, 10:54:10 PM »

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"I did a bad job."

- Brad Stevens after the Game 5 loss

#NBAPlayoffs

What's this - the 30th game this year he's said this, yet he continues to not walk the walk after talking the talk? It's nice that he recognize his shortcomings, but if it doesn't lead to any positive changes then what good is it? I think Brad knows that he has been in over his head all season long.

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1126316137216712704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1126316137216712704&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fboston-celtics

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Stevens on the team's lack of fight: "That's what eats at me the most. We cracked more than we should have. We need to be better than that. I'll be the first to say that this is the most trying year I've had as a coach. I did a bad job. If the team doesn't fit, that's on you."

Straight out of the horse's mouth.
Whats brad going to do, outright blame the players?  No, he’s doing and saying what any of them would do.

That said, his quote is telling.  There should be an emphasis on the players don’t fit.  He’s saying what has been obviously all along.  So he’s technically taking blame, he’s also identifying the real problem.  Most people will miss that though.

Re: Celtics (1-3) at Bucks (3-1) Round 2 Game 5 5/8/19
« Reply #685 on: May 08, 2019, 10:58:48 PM »

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Bud literally outcoached Steven's so badly, it's like he did it with his eyes closed.
More like the bucks are much better.  But okay.

Stevens roster management was exposed this year. These guys walked all over him.
Or they wer never that good and never fit properly.

They only didn't fit properly due to p--- poor talent management and coaching. The stylistic fit is there and capable of working; it's the personality and character fit that was suspect, which is something that can be managed by effective coaching and leadership. Brad Stevens single greatest mistake is not defining the roles early on, which has just allowed the chemistry issues to fester and exacerbate all season long.
Show me the complementary players that know their role.  Show me the specialist that can really really shoot.  The fit of these players is awful.

THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR ROLE BECAUSE THE COACH NEVER DEFINED THEM EARLY ON! That's the entire problem, and that's why you had the young/old dichotomy in the locker room early on.

The level of talent is absolutely there, and while not an absolutely perfect fit, their talents are complementary enough to work well together. The talent has just been completely mismanaged and in a p--- poor offensive philosophy, which has served as a barrier to these guys meshing.
Buddy, the coach doesn’t define their roles.  The players given their skillset do.  Great teams happen organically.

Lol that's why Giannis and the Bucks were so good last year with Kidd and Prundy. Just a coincidence that a coach of the year comes in and they maximize the talent they have and become the best team in the NBA.  ::)

To be fair, adding Lopez and a few other players certainly didn't hurt, but the biggest difference in that team is much better coaching and leadership and a much better offensive philosophy.
My point is simple; there was a Grand Canyon type gap between these two teams.  That’s no coaching.

As for kid, I’m not saying there aren’t some terrible coaches out there. Just that Brad isn’t one of them. And giannis was half the player he is now when Kidd was there.  He’s now among the best in the world.  So it’s certainly not coaching that’s making them great.

But my original point stands.  If the coach has to tell the players their role, we’re in trouble.

How does the coach not tell guys what's expected out of them? That's literally his job. He's there to put his guys in a position to succeed.  You think any good coach would have let his guys go down time aftef time and launch a 3 after 1 FREAKING PASS?

I do not get the love affair with this coach. We make the ECF despite having a few injuries and he's red reincarnate. Ever elimination game for the last 3 years has played out the same. They play poor defense and every single clown on this team thinks they're in the 3pt competition. Meanwhile our coach just stands there like a kid not wanting to eat his veggies. GOOD COACHES don't allow their team to play so unorganized.

It absolutely should not have taken until game 5 for this guy to get animated about giannis taking a world tour in the paint either.

He's not a good coach. Maybe a few more playoff exits will finally get people to figure this out.
But those are just words.  So what!  And you think he didn’t ever do that?  Are words going to help Tatum become a spot up shooter?  Not his game.  Are words going to turn jaylen into reddick type shooter?  No. 

You can have the best ingredients in the world but if they’re the wrong ones, it doesn’t matter.  I love peanut butter, steak, and mayo.  But I’m not going to put them together.

Like I said, the players determine the hierarchy. 

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« Reply #686 on: May 08, 2019, 11:02:48 PM »

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Bud literally outcoached Steven's so badly, it's like he did it with his eyes closed.
More like the bucks are much better.  But okay.

Stevens roster management was exposed this year. These guys walked all over him.
Or they wer never that good and never fit properly.

They only didn't fit properly due to p--- poor talent management and coaching. The stylistic fit is there and capable of working; it's the personality and character fit that was suspect, which is something that can be managed by effective coaching and leadership. Brad Stevens single greatest mistake is not defining the roles early on, which has just allowed the chemistry issues to fester and exacerbate all season long.
Show me the complementary players that know their role.  Show me the specialist that can really really shoot.  The fit of these players is awful.

THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR ROLE BECAUSE THE COACH NEVER DEFINED THEM EARLY ON! That's the entire problem, and that's why you had the young/old dichotomy in the locker room early on.

The level of talent is absolutely there, and while not an absolutely perfect fit, their talents are complementary enough to work well together. The talent has just been completely mismanaged and in a p--- poor offensive philosophy, which has served as a barrier to these guys meshing.
Buddy, the coach doesn’t define their roles.  The players given their skillset do.  Great teams happen organically.

Lol that's why Giannis and the Bucks were so good last year with Kidd and Prundy. Just a coincidence that a coach of the year comes in and they maximize the talent they have and become the best team in the NBA.  ::)

To be fair, adding Lopez and a few other players certainly didn't hurt, but the biggest difference in that team is much better coaching and leadership and a much better offensive philosophy.
My point is simple; there was a Grand Canyon type gap between these two teams.  That’s no coaching.

As for kid, I’m not saying there aren’t some terrible coaches out there. Just that Brad isn’t one of them. And giannis was half the player he is now when Kidd was there.  He’s now among the best in the world.  So it’s certainly not coaching that’s making them great.

But my original point stands.  If the coach has to tell the players their role, we’re in trouble.

How does the coach not tell guys what's expected out of them? That's literally his job. He's there to put his guys in a position to succeed.  You think any good coach would have let his guys go down time aftef time and launch a 3 after 1 FREAKING PASS?

I do not get the love affair with this coach. We make the ECF despite having a few injuries and he's red reincarnate. Ever elimination game for the last 3 years has played out the same. They play poor defense and every single clown on this team thinks they're in the 3pt competition. Meanwhile our coach just stands there like a kid not wanting to eat his veggies. GOOD COACHES don't allow their team to play so unorganized.

It absolutely should not have taken until game 5 for this guy to get animated about giannis taking a world tour in the paint either.

He's not a good coach. Maybe a few more playoff exits will finally get people to figure this out.
But those are just words.  So what!  And you think he didn’t ever do that?  Are words going to help Tatum become a spot up shooter?  Not his game.  Are words going to turn jaylen into reddick type shooter?  No. 

You can have the best ingredients in the world but if they’re the wrong ones, it doesn’t matter.  I love peanut butter, steak, and mayo.  But I’m not going to put them together.

Like I said, the players

Words? How about scheme? How about preaching ball movement, moving without the ball and rotating on defense?

If the talent is not there than you must thing Danny should be fired no?
Still don't believe in Joe.

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At least we have a lot of draft picks coming up ;D

Bleh. The Kings pick is a total bummer compared to what I (and most) thought it would be. And Danny will probably just draft more combo guards and undersized bigs. ::)

If there is another Giannis out there, we can count on him to pass on him for another Olynyk/Rozier

LOL. TP, my friend.
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« Reply #688 on: May 08, 2019, 11:08:58 PM »

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Bud literally outcoached Steven's so badly, it's like he did it with his eyes closed.
More like the bucks are much better.  But okay.

Stevens roster management was exposed this year. These guys walked all over him.
Or they wer never that good and never fit properly.

They only didn't fit properly due to p--- poor talent management and coaching. The stylistic fit is there and capable of working; it's the personality and character fit that was suspect, which is something that can be managed by effective coaching and leadership. Brad Stevens single greatest mistake is not defining the roles early on, which has just allowed the chemistry issues to fester and exacerbate all season long.
Show me the complementary players that know their role.  Show me the specialist that can really really shoot.  The fit of these players is awful.

THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR ROLE BECAUSE THE COACH NEVER DEFINED THEM EARLY ON! That's the entire problem, and that's why you had the young/old dichotomy in the locker room early on.

The level of talent is absolutely there, and while not an absolutely perfect fit, their talents are complementary enough to work well together. The talent has just been completely mismanaged and in a p--- poor offensive philosophy, which has served as a barrier to these guys meshing.
Buddy, the coach doesn’t define their roles.  The players given their skillset do.  Great teams happen organically.

Lol that's why Giannis and the Bucks were so good last year with Kidd and Prundy. Just a coincidence that a coach of the year comes in and they maximize the talent they have and become the best team in the NBA.  ::)

To be fair, adding Lopez and a few other players certainly didn't hurt, but the biggest difference in that team is much better coaching and leadership and a much better offensive philosophy.
My point is simple; there was a Grand Canyon type gap between these two teams.  That’s no coaching.

As for kid, I’m not saying there aren’t some terrible coaches out there. Just that Brad isn’t one of them. And giannis was half the player he is now when Kidd was there.  He’s now among the best in the world.  So it’s certainly not coaching that’s making them great.

But my original point stands.  If the coach has to tell the players their role, we’re in trouble.

How does the coach not tell guys what's expected out of them? That's literally his job. He's there to put his guys in a position to succeed.  You think any good coach would have let his guys go down time aftef time and launch a 3 after 1 FREAKING PASS?

I do not get the love affair with this coach. We make the ECF despite having a few injuries and he's red reincarnate. Ever elimination game for the last 3 years has played out the same. They play poor defense and every single clown on this team thinks they're in the 3pt competition. Meanwhile our coach just stands there like a kid not wanting to eat his veggies. GOOD COACHES don't allow their team to play so unorganized.

It absolutely should not have taken until game 5 for this guy to get animated about giannis taking a world tour in the paint either.

He's not a good coach. Maybe a few more playoff exits will finally get people to figure this out.
But those are just words.  So what!  And you think he didn’t ever do that?  Are words going to help Tatum become a spot up shooter?  Not his game.  Are words going to turn jaylen into reddick type shooter?  No. 

You can have the best ingredients in the world but if they’re the wrong ones, it doesn’t matter.  I love peanut butter, steak, and mayo.  But I’m not going to put them together.

Like I said, the players

Words? How about scheme? How about preaching ball movement, moving without the ball and rotating on defense?

If the talent is not there than you must thing Danny should be fired no?
I mean, answer honestly.  Is kyrie a ball movement guy?  Not in his dna.  Is Tatum a ball movement guy?  Not in his dna.  Is brown a ball movement guy?  Nope.  Is Morris a ball movement guy?  Nope.  Is rozier a ball movement guy?  Laughable. 

Make sense?  It’s more about mixing the right players together because most of them a programmed a certain way by now.  Words and scheme won’t change that.

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Terry Rozier: “it’s been a tough year. Especially for me. But it ain’t about me.”

God, Rozier is so dumb. Like, are you not listening to yourself here?

Nightmare scenario - Kyrie walks and we sign Rozier to a long-term contract.  :(