If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.

[tazzmaniac]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match. 

[smokeablount]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it. 

[Roy H.]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

[nickagneta]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

[footey]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

[nickagneta]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

Except without Smart's $12.5 million being included, the Celtics have little chance to match money.

[RodyTur10]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

Except without Smart's $12.5 million being included, the Celtics have little chance to match money.

Horford makes enough money. Unlikely that he's going to decline that juicy player option.

[mef730]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Bolding mine: Is that still the case? I thought that there are new restrictions on using a draft pick signee for salary in a trade. Maybe somebody can help me out.

Thanks,
Mike

[pearljammer10]

No.

[Roy H.]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Bolding mine: Is that still the case? I thought that there are new restrictions on using a draft pick signee for salary in a trade. Maybe somebody can help me out.

Thanks,
Mike

Historically you had to wait 30 days after a pick signed to include their salary in a trade. I think that’s still the case but I haven’t looked it up.

[nickagneta]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

Except without Smart's $12.5 million being included, the Celtics have little chance to match money.

Horford will not be going anywhere unless he wants to. Horford has the ability to opt out so if Danny tries to include Horford, Al can simply opt out and screw things up. Danny knows this so he would have to get Al's permission to be included and I doubt Al gives it.

[KGs Knee]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

I think it will be less than that.

I'm guessing the Pels will end up like most other teams that wait too long to trade their star, and end up with a less than expected return.  It seems like it always happens.

[footey]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

Except without Smart's $12.5 million being included, the Celtics have little chance to match money.

If money won’t work otherwise then I we will have no choice. If money not an issue, I think Danny would rather include Brown than Smart. Tatum a given.

[RodyTur10]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

Except without Smart's $12.5 million being included, the Celtics have little chance to match money.

Horford will not be going anywhere unless he wants to. Horford has the ability to opt out so if Danny tries to include Horford, Al can simply opt out and screw things up. Danny knows this so he would have to get Al's permission to be included and I doubt Al gives it.

Obviously Horford wouldn't like being traded, but if he doesn't pick up his option, he has to go elsewhere as well. Via a trade there are probably good destinations available (not necessarily New Orleans, 3-team-trade possible, maybe to Minnesota or Portland), so why leave millions on the table out of spite? No team is going to give a 33-year old player a 30-million-a-year-contract (unless you're Chris Paul or LeBron James). Probably more in the neighbourhood of 15-20 million, like an Ariza contract and he had to settle initially for the Phoenix Suns. That's isn't that attractive either.

[KGs Knee]

Tatum, Brown, picks for AD and I wouldn’t think twice. Matching salary will be an issue but Ainge will figure it out.

I'd trade both Brown and Tatum to get AD assuming he gives indications that he'd re-sign with us.  The trade can't be actually made until Kyrie re-signs in free agency.  So the players chosen with those "NOP picks" can be signed and used to help salary match.

Tatum and Brown and the Memphis and Sacto picks seems like way better than anyone else could offer.  I'd hope to keep Brown or the Memphis pick out of it.

I’m predicting Tatum + Smart + Williams + three #1s

Right there with you Roy. That meets the salary and doesn't completely ruin the Boston bench.

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Davis
Horford

Yabusele
Ojeleye
Baynes
Morris or Rozier(re-signed after Horford opts out and comes back next year much cheaper to afford Morris or Rozier)
Wanamaker
Taxpayer MLE wing
Vet min contracts to fill out the rest

I think that's a team that can win it all.

I think a Danny will fight to keep Smart like he did Rondo. Smart won’t be a deal breaker. Tatum would be and Danny will have to include him in the offer.

Except without Smart's $12.5 million being included, the Celtics have little chance to match money.

Horford will not be going anywhere unless he wants to. Horford has the ability to opt out so if Danny tries to include Horford, Al can simply opt out and screw things up. Danny knows this so he would have to get Al's permission to be included and I doubt Al gives it.

Well, we still can't trade for Davis until July 1st, regardless.  But by then Al has to have made his choice to opt in or not.  So if Al opts in, Ainge could trade him.  I doubt Ainge plans on giving Al any assurances about such matters one way or the other.

But I can't see the Pels wanting Horford, nor Ainge trading him anyways.  He's more valuable to Boston as a player than a trade chip.