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Celtics Basketball => Celtics History => Topic started by: popcontest on January 13, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjLW66nuM4WGl4jJsQMWPWYUPKB4?gid=2010061713
Upon looking back at the game we would have won with Perk, here a few things that stand out to me.
- The Lakers got 56 minutes out of their bench, the Celtics just 30 minutes
- Tony Allen was -9 in just five minutes
- Out-rebounded 53 to 40
- 25 Celtics fouls to 19 Lakers fouls
- Rasheed played over 35 minutes, before fouling out
- Rondo just two rebounds short of a triple-double
- Kobe Bryant had 15 rebounds and Gasol had 18
- Derek Fisher made both of his 3's
- Artest had five steals, three fouls
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Ray Allen: 3-14, lead the celtics with 4 turnovers. If Ray had made just 1 of his missed jumpers, just 1, we would have been right there at the end to win it.
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Not a big deal, but TA's +/- numbers were bad because of his role as a defensive specialist. Late in quarters Doc would sub him in on defense and put Ray back in for offense. Since he'd be on the court when the other team was trying to score and on the bench when we scored his numbers looked bad.
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don't forget, in the last minute, someone poked the ball away from fisher or kobe, and it barely bounced on the line and into our hands, would have been a wide open layup or 3pter...
but overall I blame Ray for those series, and ever since i wanted him to be traded. he missed about 21 3pters in a row or something, refusing tho get himself some easier shots to get going...to break that streak he made a three at the end of game 7 :(
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one more thing that jumps out:
-the lakers shot 32.5% from the field and 67.6% from the FT line and still won the game!
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This game is one of the biggest reasons why I question Doc's ability to coach
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Even more reason why I want the Lakers to get it together this season.
We both have our conference obstacles (OKC, MIA), but I'd absolutely LOVE to get ONE MORE grudge match with them this June.
PLEASE.
BOS owes the Lakers one. Clips, OKC, MIA - they can wait their turn.
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A perfect playoffs would be for us to boot Ray Allen and his Heat 1st.
Then boot the Lakers.
Celtic Heaven right there.
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:'(
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This game is one of the biggest reasons why I question Doc's ability to coach
Yep I'm haunted by this loss and also what it meant as far as Doc's bench ability. Baby was rebounding great in that game and we needed that. He could have a should have played more. Tony wasn't playing all that well but our starers wore down. Tony could have played a ton more. He was a pain in Kobes butt and it could have gotten Ray some rest. Finally, Scal played seconds and most of us know he was a solid defender and could also have provided more rest for KG, or even Sheed.
We got exhausted and started using our hands on d in the 4th q. It was something like 22-4 free throws in the 4th. The refs were happy to pile on us.
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I remember Sheed battling like a gladiator, he left it all on the court that night.
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Ray Allen: 3-14, lead the celtics with 4 turnovers. If Ray had made just 1 of his missed jumpers, just 1, we would have been right there at the end to win it.
Agree with this big time. Ray stunk that one up offensively for sure.
Very surprised to see Tony only get 5 minutes in the game and still hold Kobe to such a terrible shooting night. Him getting 15 rebounds is totally unacceptable though.
And also, man, what a terrible bench we had.
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well
we let Scalabrine go
that was are down fall
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The thing that doesn't show in the box score is that the refs allowed physical contact for three quarters, and then started calling touch fouls in the fourth (to the Lakers advantage).
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The thing that doesn't show in the box score is that the refs allowed physical contact for three quarters, and then started calling touch fouls in the fourth (to the Lakers advantage).
Yes, excellent point. That was actually the biggest factor in the loss.
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The team just ran out of steam. You could see it in the fourth quarter. Even if Ray did marginally better we win that game and series.
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im still in therapy
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjLW66nuM4WGl4jJsQMWPWYUPKB4?gid=2010061713
Upon looking back at the game we would have won with Perk, here a few things that stand out to me.
- The Lakers got 56 minutes out of their bench, the Celtics just 30 minutes
- Tony Allen was -9 in just five minutes
- Out-rebounded 53 to 40
- 25 Celtics fouls to 19 Lakers fouls
- Rasheed played over 35 minutes, before fouling out
- Rondo just two rebounds short of a triple-double
- Kobe Bryant had 15 rebounds and Gasol had 18
- Derek Fisher made both of his 3's
- Artest had five steals, three fouls
13 point lead blown. i am sick all over again. that shoulda been KG's second title.
:'(
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dang, look at the minutes played also. what the heck doc? did you really think our starters would not burn out at the end? there was basically no bench help other than BBD. unbelievable.
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I didnt open any NBA related news, TV or websites for 6 months after that painful loss.
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This game is one of the biggest reasons why I question Doc's ability to coach
Was Doc the one calling fouls in the 4th that were not called in the first three quarters?
That game was given to LA because we were not allowed to so much as breath on a laker without them getting to the line.
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This game is one of the biggest reasons why I question Doc's ability to coach
Was Doc the one calling fouls in the 4th that were not called in the first three quarters?
That game was given to LA because we were not allowed to so much as breath on a laker without them getting to the line.
How can anyone over look that Doc didn't play Tony Allen, Big Baby, or Nate Robinson at all for the 2nd half? Which tired the Celtics starting 5, while the Laker bench were playing alot of minutes to conserve the starter's minutes
You're right, refs were a big obstacle, which was obvious from game 1 of the series. But that coaching error was the main reason
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The thing that doesn't show in the box score is that the refs allowed physical contact for three quarters, and then started calling touch fouls in the fourth (to the Lakers advantage).
This is what you remember if you're a C's fan. Gasol at the FT line for most of the 4th quarter. We were up 3-2 in that series and on a serious roll. That should have been banner 18. Literally still stay up at night thinking about that one. Ugh.
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I have never watched that game again, nor did I read up on it afterwards, I was absolutely gutted.
That still stings more than anything I can remember sports related... (Started following NBA/Boston in 92)...
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Please lock and delete this thread moderators.
Seriously why even bring this up and ruin the mood around here? We're on a five game win streak and playing our best ball of the yr.
Boston got robbed of a title. Plain and simple.
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I remember Sheed battling like a gladiator, he left it all on the court that night.
Unfortunately he left it all on the court by the 3rd quarter. He had nothing left in the 4th. His back was done.
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im still in therapy
This.
I didnt open any NBA related news, TV or websites for 6 months after that painful loss.
And this.
I honestly don't know if I'll ever get over this one.
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Rebounds just destroyed us Gasol in particular
Gasol: 18
Garnett: 3
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GrandTheftRondo
I honestly don't know if I'll ever get over this one.
Well, if that's your biggest problem in life, I'd say you're doing A-okay :)
As long as we're always one Larry O'Brien ahead of LA, we have to be happy, IMHO.
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One play epitomizes this game, and I'm sure everyone here remembers it.
The Lakers were up by 4 with maybe a minute and change to go, and as the shot clock was winding down, Gasol got the ball in the low post.
He proceeded to attempt a fadeaway, but KG (I think) defended it well and Gasol was forced to double-clutch. He TRAVELS in front of a ref and gets the shot to go. Lakers up 6.
At that point, I kind of knew it was over. Credit to Ray, Sheed, and Rondo for hitting those threes, but it was too little too late.
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Garnett 3 rebounds..gasol 18.
That is all
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AjLW66nuM4WGl4jJsQMWPWYUPKB4?gid=2010061713
Upon looking back at the game we would have won with Perk, here a few things that stand out to me.
- The Lakers got 56 minutes out of their bench, the Celtics just 30 minutes
- Tony Allen was -9 in just five minutes
- Out-rebounded 53 to 40
- 25 Celtics fouls to 19 Lakers fouls
- Rasheed played over 35 minutes, before fouling out
- Rondo just two rebounds short of a triple-double
- Kobe Bryant had 15 rebounds and Gasol had 18
- Derek Fisher made both of his 3's
- Artest had five steals, three fouls
Thanks for stirring this one up again. Was just what I needed on a Monday.... :P
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This game is one of the biggest reasons why I question Doc's ability to coach
Yep. He barely played Nate in that game, a game where we struggled to score and needed his offense, despite him helping you win one of the previous playoff games against the Lakers. Also Tony didn't play that much, despite all the accollades Tony was getting for shutting down Kobe. Tony might have even scored on a night when we had trouble scoring. He doesn't shoot, but he drives to the line and gets fouled. He might have even got some of those rebounds that Kobe got. No Celtic played that well, but neither did the Lakers. I really believe had Tony and Nate played down the stretch of that game, we would have won.
I totally blamed Doc for that loss and still do. >:(
Why bring up this painful loss again? ???
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Garnett 3 rebounds..gasol 18.
That is all
The KG we have right now is much better than Kg 2010 despite being 2 yrs older..he was recuperating from injury then so there you go..and Gasol right now is pretty much a shell of his 2010 counterpart.
I am more confident in our team right now than the one that overachieved in 2010..imagine if we had Sully rebounding machine bullying Gasol...this team we have now can and i believe will go deep as long as we remain injury free..book it.
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This game is one of the biggest reasons why I question Doc's ability to coach
Yep. He barely played Nate in that game, a game where we struggled to score and needed his offense, despite him helping you win one of the previous playoff games against the Lakers. Also Tony didn't play that much, despite all the accollades Tony was getting for shutting down Kobe. Tony might have even scored on a night when we had trouble scoring. He doesn't shoot, but he drives to the line and gets fouled. He might have even got some of those rebounds that Kobe got. No Celtic played that well, but neither did the Lakers. I really believe had Tony and Nate played down the stretch of that game, we would have won.
I totally blamed Doc for that loss and still do. >:(
Why bring up this painful loss again? ???
Doc went overboard on the whole "...you shorten your rotation in the playoffs" we were spent