« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 07:05:03 PM »
We don't win a ring without KG. He should be retired.
we don't win a ring without Allen either. Should he also go up?
No.
There is a discernible difference btw the two. It was there in the summer of '07 and it continued to be there during the years of contention. KG & Ray never were equals. That's before even getting into any of the MIA stuff (which actually doesn't move the needle for me one way or another).
The KG acquisition changed everything. It put the Celtics back on the map for the casual fans in the area. It's what got them plastered all over national tv. KG is what created the buzz, changed the culture, & ultimately was the anchor on those teams.
KG & Ray never were equals. This isn't a basketball skill thing.
I was mostly playing devils advocate but I don't believe either should be in the rafters, but to continue the devils advocate theme, without Allen there is no KG and without both there is no title. Additionally when Allen left the team fell off the map. I really do think you can make a legit argument that Allen was the player that made those teams go. Without his shooting the team just wasn't very good. He made that offense go just as much as KG made the defense go and the reality is offense is and always has been more important then defense when looking at real contenders.
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