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6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« on: March 28, 2010, 11:35:53 PM »

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It's been the same story all season:

1) Poor rebounding - in part because our bigs don't block out and in part because our team has a general lack of athleticism.

2) Lack of interior scoring.  Our most reliable scorer within 5 feet is Perk, and he can't succeed on offense unless everybody else is hitting shots so he is left open.  He can't score 1 on 1.  KG is now primarily a mid-range jumpshooter and Rasheed...well, Rasheed is different things on different nights but in general he's not reliable from anywhere.  Davis is too stumpy to finish around the rim in traffic consistently, especially when the defense pays attention to him.  Shelden Williams is just not a good offensive player.

3) Inconsistent outside shooters.  There are games (like the latest game against the Spurs) when all of our shooters go cold and we can't hit anything from beyond the arc.  The C's almost always lose those games, especially against decent teams. Unlike Orlando, the Celtics don't have the best rebounder and put-back-er in the league to help them out when the outside shots aren't falling.

4) Lack of bench offense - nobody on the bench can create their own shot.  Thought Nate would be an improvement but he hasn't been.

5) Inconsistent slashers.  At times, Rondo takes over games with his ability to drive to the hoop.  Occasionally, Paul Pierce does the same.  Indeed, even Ray Allen gets in on that action sometimes.  We've seen Marquis Daniels have some good games cutting to the rack, as well as TA.  But we've also seen far too many games - important games against good opponents - where most or all of those players disappear in that regard.  I don't think I've seen a game yet where Rondo is able to drive the lane for the whole game even when the opposing defense starts trying to clamp down; in fact, as soon as the defense game-plans for Rondo, he seems to stop scoring.  Paul Pierce used to be our main option for driving the lane, and he could do it very well, but this year with the decline in his speed, athleticism, and overall game he's become more and more an outside player and those cuts to the rack have become rarer.

6) No superstar.  When things get tough, when the opposing defense really clamps down, when the offensive sets aren't working, the Celtics really need somebody who can just step up and take over the game - somebody who can will the team to victory.  The Miami Heat are not a very good team but they're still managing 40 wins and are heating up late in the season because they have a player who wins them games on his own.  The Lakers have won quite a few close games this season because Kobe takes over late in the fourth when the rest of the team fades.  LeBron is a one man team.  When everything goes right, it is possible for a team of great players without a superstar to play very good team basketball and win when it matters.  It happened for Detroit in '04, and we saw it happen for us in Boston in '08.  I just don't believe the '10 Celtics are that kind of team.  Indeed, there really isn't a team in the league like that this year, in my opinion.  In June, a superstar will hoist the trophy.

The bottom line is when the outside shots don't fall, this team has a really hard time scoring in the paint; it's that inability to score inside or make up for the low fg% with aggressive rebounding that will ultimately spell their defeat in the playoffs.  Right now the Celtics are a better, more experienced version of teams like Portland, Chicago, OKC, Charlotte etc who all play very well for stretches but fail to play great consistently because of their lack of an inside presence.  There's a reason LA, Cleveland, and Orlando are the 3 best teams in the league - they have superstars, and they have great interior guys.



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I posted this in response to the "C's flaws aren't going to just disappear thread," but I decided to make a post of it since I spent a while writing it and didn't want it to get lost in the shuffle of things. 

I'm not happy to say any of this, but I think this is a complete assessment of the Celtic's issues this year, and I don't see how any of these issues are going to magically go away next month.  Even during this latest stretch, we've seen some good things but not enough, and not against the harder opponents.  Nothing we've seen recently or at the start of this year changes any of the 6 problems I've outlined.
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Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 11:44:18 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 11:47:02 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

They're the 8th seed in the west. They're not elite. We just got caught on a bad night when they were playing well and we weren't ready to do anything but go through the motions. Hence, we got wrecked.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 11:49:29 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

They're the 8th seed in the west. They're not elite. We just got caught on a bad night when they were playing well and we weren't ready to do anything but go through the motions. Hence, we got wrecked.

You make a good point, Rondo_is_better.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 11:49:32 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

I haven't seen anything to give me real hope that these problems won't carry over to June.

I wouldn't call the Spurs an elite team - they will be lucky to manage 6th in the Western Conference.  

I'm done with using "lack of effort" as an excuse.  Any time the Celtics play badly and lose to a team they could have beaten, we all say it was a lack of effort.  Perhaps, in part, it was.  But I think it's more likely that the main culprits are actually tangible flaws in the makeup of the team, not intangible flaws in their work ethic or chemistry.  

All we can really talk about conclusively is what we can see on the floor, not what we think may be going on in the player's heads.  In some cases, lack of effort is painfully obvious - Rasheed - but I don't think it's that obvious with any of the other players.  I just think this team has serious flaws, and the fact that they are old, tired, and often injured just makes those flaws more noticeable.
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Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2010, 11:52:09 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

San Antonio is NOT an elite team.
We have been hearing since December that "it's only December....january...February....now March." Bottom line is Posimpos has done a good job summing up the issues on this team. Now all of a sudden, in nine games, can they turn it all around? I don't think so.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2010, 11:54:57 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

I haven't seen anything to give me real hope that these problems won't carry over to June.

I wouldn't call the Spurs an elite team - they will be lucky to manage 6th in the Western Conference.  

I'm done with using "lack of effort" as an excuse.  Any time the Celtics play badly and lose to a team they could have beaten, we all say it was a lack of effort.  Perhaps, in part, it was.  But I think it's more likely that the main culprits are actually tangible flaws in the makeup of the team, not intangible flaws in their work ethic or chemistry.  

All we can really talk about conclusively is what we can see on the floor, not what we think may be going on in the player's heads.  In some cases, lack of effort is painfully obvious - Rasheed - but I don't think it's that obvious with any of the other players.  I just think this team has serious flaws, and the fact that they are old, tired, and often injured just makes those flaws more noticeable.


I respect your case, PosImpos..Rondo_is_better made a good point, too - in that maybe I over-rated the Spurs. But they are playing really well right now. And tonight it didn't help that we didn't play well.

I had a fear that Blair was going to cause problems, and he did, as well as Manu.

I respect your post, but for me I can't count us out, not now.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2010, 11:56:37 PM »

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Informative Post, PosImpos, but you make this and it isn't even April yet.

Do you think this will carry over to June?

Not criticizing you, but we lost to a very good (Elite?) team, tonight, and lack effort on our part was a key.

San Antonio is NOT an elite team.
We have been hearing since December that "it's only December....january...February....now March." Bottom line is Posimpos has done a good job summing up the issues on this team. Now all of a sudden, in nine games, can they turn it all around? I don't think so.

Vinnie..you have every right to be upset as a season-ticket holder, but again I cannot count us out right now.

You are free to be upset, but I will sleep on this bad loss, and look forward to OKC.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 12:20:04 AM »

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The Celtics lack concentration and mental will power to overcome difficult situations. They are a 50 win team in the EC which is good enough to get to the 2nd round but probably nothing more than that.
The beatings will continue until morale improves

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2010, 01:58:17 AM »

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LOL Celtics blog is funny sometimes, after losses everyone overreacts and is quick to nitpick flaws. And vice versa the opposite say we beat Cleveland next week, there will be a influx of "...I beleive Banner #18 threads"

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Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 02:01:37 AM »

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LOL Celtics blog is funny sometimes, after losses everyone overreacts and is quick to nitpick flaws. And vice versa the opposite say we beat Cleveland next week, there will be a influx of "...I beleive Banner #18 threads"

So VERY true. TP.
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Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 02:21:19 AM »

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While you have certainly nailed some of the weaknesses of this team, I completely disagree that it will end their season early. I believe they still have more positive than negative, and have what it takes to overcome these flaws and win a championship. They've proven that quite effectively in the last few games, but tonight just had a really bad game. That's going to happen once-in-a-while no matter how good you are, but I've seen enough lately to be assured that this team still knows how to dig in and win. TP for the good points, I just don't agree with the conclusion. ;)
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Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 03:02:59 AM »

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While you have certainly nailed some of the weaknesses of this team, I completely disagree that it will end their season early. I believe they still have more positive than negative, and have what it takes to overcome these flaws and win a championship. They've proven that quite effectively in the last few games, but tonight just had a really bad game. That's going to happen once-in-a-while no matter how good you are, but I've seen enough lately to be assured that this team still knows how to dig in and win. TP for the good points, I just don't agree with the conclusion. ;)

Well, for what it's worth, I sincerely hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2010, 04:27:05 AM »

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Yeah, sure, totally overlook the last 7 games where a lot of positive things occurred and where we limited our usual areas of struggles (rebounding, turnovers, lack of energy)  and just focus on all the bad parts from our latest loss, a really bad loss where nothing went our way all night long, and make a statement about our ride in the playoffs. Totally makes sense. ;)

And as for the "Our shooters go cold" argument, guess what?  This is typical in the NBA and it happens to every team on a quite regular basis during the season.

Re: 6 Reasons the Celtics Will Be on Vacation in June
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2010, 04:33:57 AM »

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Yeah, sure, totally overlook the last 7 games where a lot of positive things occurred and where we limited our usual areas of struggles (rebounding, turnovers, lack of energy)  and just focus on all the bad parts from our latest loss, a really bad loss where nothing went our way all night long, and make a statement about our ride in the playoffs. Totally makes sense. ;)

And as for the "Our shooters go cold" argument, guess what?  This is typical in the NBA and it happens to every team on a quite regular basis during the season.

TP, D. ;)
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