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Title: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: KG Living Legend on March 09, 2013, 10:11:30 PM

 When Possible Rondo plus first for Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Farried, and Lawson.

 For the Celts tough to turn down IMO. Would the Nuggets want something else back Sully perhaps.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 09, 2013, 10:12:22 PM

 When Possible Rondo plus first for Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Farried, and Lawson.

 For the Celts tough to turn down IMO. Would the Nuggets want something else back Sully perhaps.

They wouldnt do this
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: azzenfrost on March 09, 2013, 10:26:02 PM
Even if it was Rondo for Faried, they wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: gpap on March 09, 2013, 10:26:21 PM
Lol, no Denver wouldn't make this deal.

They already have Ty Lawson who is just as good if not better than Rondo.

So that's a lateral move right there

And then for Denver to trade Faried as well? Not happening.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: KG Living Legend on March 09, 2013, 10:27:39 PM
 OK Denver GM, since you want to get out of Mcgee's contract.

 Mcgee's terrible contract, Farried and Lawson Out and in

 Rondo, Sully, Melo, and a first.

 That's a heck of a team come plyaoff time.

 Rondo- A. Miller Are you kidding

 Wilson Chandler

 Andre Iguodala

 Gallo - Sullinger

 Koufos - Melo - Mozgov

 And we could work to give them help at the two most likely Crawford. You have to admit that would be some awesome weapons for Rondo to dish two. Plus Two first round picks.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: KG Living Legend on March 09, 2013, 10:30:56 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on March 09, 2013, 10:46:43 PM
I couldn't do this deal if I were Ainge.

Only because I would have fainted upon hearing the offer.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 09, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
OK Denver GM, since you want to get out of Mcgee's contract.

 Mcgee's terrible contract, Farried and Lawson Out and in

 Rondo, Sully, Melo, and a first.

 That's a heck of a team come plyaoff time.

 Rondo- A. Miller Are you kidding

 Wilson Chandler

 Andre Iguodala

 Gallo - Sullinger

 Koufos - Melo - Mozgov

 And we could work to give them help at the two most likely Crawford. You have to admit that would be some awesome weapons for Rondo to dish two. Plus Two first round picks.

They don't want to get out of McGee's contract... That's where I stopped reading :/
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: gpap on March 09, 2013, 10:50:35 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on March 09, 2013, 10:55:22 PM
OK Denver GM, since you want to get out of Mcgee's contract.

 Mcgee's terrible contract, Farried and Lawson Out and in

 Rondo, Sully, Melo, and a first.

 That's a heck of a team come plyaoff time.

 Rondo- A. Miller Are you kidding

 Wilson Chandler

 Andre Iguodala

 Gallo - Sullinger

 Koufos - Melo - Mozgov

 And we could work to give them help at the two most likely Crawford. You have to admit that would be some awesome weapons for Rondo to dish two. Plus Two first round picks.

They don't want to get out of McGee's contract... That's where I stopped reading :/

He's making $11 million per and plays 19mpg. Yeah, they must really love him in Denver.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 09, 2013, 10:56:30 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: gpap on March 09, 2013, 11:00:00 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Alright, then how about Rondo for the entire Denver Nuggets roster? ;)

AND, they throw in an Alex English throwback jersey

Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 09, 2013, 11:06:17 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 09, 2013, 11:21:23 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.

Rondo is worth Dwyane Wade or something. Nobody can trade fair value for him because he means more to Danny than any other GM. I don't see anyone taking him, unless they "overpay" in the eyes of NBA analysts. We just view Rondo differently than most others.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: Yogi on March 09, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo. 
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 09, 2013, 11:28:29 PM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 09, 2013, 11:39:23 PM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.

Rondo is worth Dwyane Wade or something. Nobody can trade fair value for him because he means more to Danny than any other GM. I don't see anyone taking him, unless they "overpay" in the eyes of NBA analysts. We just view Rondo differently than most others.

Yes, he means so much that Danny tries to trade him every chance he gets. Seriously, I think most of us would agree that Rondo is better than Lawson. But some of you are seriously overrating him. I think a Chandler/Lawson deal would be a fair return for Rondo.

Our 15-4 record has a lot to do with Rondo's absence. I don't know why some fans are trying to avoid the truth. I also think Lawson would be a much better fit with this current Celtics team than Rondo.

And Dwayne Wade? Really now... We couldn't even get Steph Curry for him.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 09, 2013, 11:46:39 PM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

You post in every thread bro.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: GreenEnvy on March 10, 2013, 12:00:35 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.

Rondo is worth Dwyane Wade or something. Nobody can trade fair value for him because he means more to Danny than any other GM. I don't see anyone taking him, unless they "overpay" in the eyes of NBA analysts. We just view Rondo differently than most others.

He's only worth what people are willing to pay. I wouldn't trade him for Wade though. Wrong side of his prime, he will start to wear down soon (already?).

I'd need a deal centered around someone close to Rondo's age. We can't get equal talent, so someone not too far below (top 12 at position), along with another starter-level player and maybe a late 1st would be a very good haul IMO.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: BballTim on March 10, 2013, 12:06:09 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.

Rondo is worth Dwyane Wade or something. Nobody can trade fair value for him because he means more to Danny than any other GM. I don't see anyone taking him, unless they "overpay" in the eyes of NBA analysts. We just view Rondo differently than most others.

He's only worth what people are willing to pay. I wouldn't trade him for Wade though. Wrong side of his prime, he will start to wear down soon (already?).

I'd need a deal centered around someone close to Rondo's age. We can't get equal talent, so someone not too far below (top 12 at position), along with another starter-level player and maybe a late 1st would be a very good haul IMO.

  He's worth what he's able to provide us with when he plays. It would be stupid to trade him for less than equal talent. This isn't Dwight on the Magic or Deron on the Jazz, there's no pressing need to trade him *especially* in order to downgrade our talent.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 10, 2013, 12:19:38 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.

Rondo is worth Dwyane Wade or something. Nobody can trade fair value for him because he means more to Danny than any other GM. I don't see anyone taking him, unless they "overpay" in the eyes of NBA analysts. We just view Rondo differently than most others.

He's only worth what people are willing to pay. I wouldn't trade him for Wade though. Wrong side of his prime, he will start to wear down soon (already?).

I'd need a deal centered around someone close to Rondo's age. We can't get equal talent, so someone not too far below (top 12 at position), along with another starter-level player and maybe a late 1st would be a very good haul IMO.

Wade was a hypothetical but that's where you're wrong. He isn't worth what people are willing to pay. If he is worth one DMC, that doesn't mean DMC would contribute to our team exactly as much as Rondo does. If he's worth one lottery pick, that doesn't mean the lottery pick is worth just as much as Rondo is to this team.

Rondo is a part of our team, and his worth can't be expressed in the value of other players exactly, because other GMs don't value him as highly as we do. Therefore, it'd be in our best interests to keep him. Unless we get the value Danny is looking for.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: krook on March 10, 2013, 12:59:05 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Honestly, Lawson and Chandler would probably be the best value we could get from trading Rondo. I agree that Rondo is a better player than Lawson, but only by a small margin.

I'd do that trade. Not sure if Denver would agree to it, though.

Rondo is worth Dwyane Wade or something. Nobody can trade fair value for him because he means more to Danny than any other GM. I don't see anyone taking him, unless they "overpay" in the eyes of NBA analysts. We just view Rondo differently than most others.

He's only worth what people are willing to pay. I wouldn't trade him for Wade though. Wrong side of his prime, he will start to wear down soon (already?).

I'd need a deal centered around someone close to Rondo's age. We can't get equal talent, so someone not too far below (top 12 at position), along with another starter-level player and maybe a late 1st would be a very good haul IMO.

Wade was a hypothetical but that's where you're wrong. He isn't worth what people are willing to pay. If he is worth one DMC, that doesn't mean DMC would contribute to our team exactly as much as Rondo does. If he's worth one lottery pick, that doesn't mean the lottery pick is worth just as much as Rondo is to this team.

Rondo is a part of our team, and his worth can't be expressed in the value of other players exactly, because other GMs don't value him as highly as we do. Therefore, it'd be in our best interests to keep him. Unless we get the value Danny is looking for.

just sign timofey mozgov, and trade bass for varejao, problem solve
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: chambers on March 10, 2013, 07:34:15 AM
Even if it was Rondo for Faried, they wouldn't do it.

Put down the crack pipe bro. They'd give us at least Faried+Chandler+ a first. Perhaps even Lawson and Kenneth'no defense' Faried.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: alajet on March 10, 2013, 08:13:30 AM
Why would Denver mess up with such a beautiful PG rotation? They have a very talented young player in Lawson, and the veteran leader in Miller.
No way they will be giving away Faried to bring Rondo there.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: cltc5 on March 10, 2013, 08:28:05 AM
I think rondo is extremely overated around here
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: azzenfrost on March 10, 2013, 09:03:53 AM
I wouldn't say overrated. We value him a lot here. Everywhere else, not so much. No crack pipes involved. Just reality.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 10, 2013, 09:25:36 AM
I think this trade shows a profound lack of basketball IQ.   Farreid would be a better player with RR on the team.  No one could alley opp as well as him.

No, I don't think they would do it and I don't think we would do it because we would have some parts which would not mesh.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CFAN38 on March 14, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
denver says no
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: indeedproceed on March 14, 2013, 10:32:36 AM
Denver won't do this.

They would probably do something centered around Rondo for Lawson and Iggy.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: connor on March 14, 2013, 11:15:48 AM

 When Possible Rondo plus first for Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Farried, and Lawson.

 For the Celts tough to turn down IMO. Would the Nuggets want something else back Sully perhaps.
Farried is too valuable to the Nuggets, especially since he would have to be packaged with other quality talent. Besides he would play best WITH Rondo. They'd talk about a deal centered around Lawson and some picks though.

Denver won't do this.

They would probably do something centered around Rondo for Lawson and Iggy.
I don't know about giving up Iggy after trading for him so recently, plus if the Celtics move Rondo they would most likely want a big in return.

I think a deal centered around Lawson, Javale Mcgee and maybe 2 future first rounders:
Boston:
Ty Lawson, Javale McGee, Anthony Randolph, 2013 first rounder and protected 2014 first rounder.

Nuggets:
Rondo, Bass and Melo

Maybe instead we take their first rounder this year and the right to swap next year? Thats the kind of haul Danny would be looking for though. A quality big, PG that fits into our current ball movement system, young talent in the form of Randolph and at least 1 first rounder if not 2 (plus you dump Bass).
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: StartOrien on March 14, 2013, 11:31:24 AM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

Why is Lawson, whose averaging 17 points, 7.1 assists a steal and a half a game, and shoots about .380 from the 3 point line completely not in Rondo's league?
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: Juneauz on March 14, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
I spend quite some time on denverstiffs.com being a big Gallinari fan(i'm Italian).

Quite often I read that the only players they were willing to give up pieces of their team for are Lebron James and Rajon Rondo.

Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: ssspence on March 14, 2013, 11:41:48 AM
Total overvalue of Rondo, even before his injury. 

I would literally jump for joy if Ainge got just Lawson and Faried for Rondo. But it'd never happen under any normal circumstances.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: Juneauz on March 14, 2013, 11:44:01 AM
Total overvalue of Rondo, even before his injury. 

I would literally jump for joy if Ainge got just Lawson and Faried for Rondo. But it'd never happen under any normal circumstances.

They'd do that in a heartbeat, trust me.

Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: indeedproceed on March 14, 2013, 11:46:29 AM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

Why is Lawson, whose averaging 17 points, 7.1 assists a steal and a half a game, and shoots about .380 from the 3 point line completely not in Rondo's league?

Defensive liability, likely already hit his ceiling.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on March 14, 2013, 11:56:05 AM

 When Possible Rondo plus first for Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Farried, and Lawson.

 For the Celts tough to turn down IMO. Would the Nuggets want something else back Sully perhaps.
Any GM that would sign off on a trade like that should fired in disgrace. These threads are a shame to this message board. Nobody is trading three solid players for one good one.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: ssspence on March 14, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

Why is Lawson, whose averaging 17 points, 7.1 assists a steal and a half a game, and shoots about .380 from the 3 point line completely not in Rondo's league?

Defensive liability, likely already hit his ceiling.

Objectively, both things could be claimed about Rondo. He's older, can't shoot, and has a torn ACL.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: lightspeed5 on March 14, 2013, 12:05:54 PM
all star point guard for a bunch of role players?
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on March 14, 2013, 12:16:20 PM

 When Possible Rondo plus first for Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Farried, and Lawson.

 For the Celts tough to turn down IMO. Would the Nuggets want something else back Sully perhaps.

LOL this proposal made my day. Thanks for a good laugh.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticG1 on March 14, 2013, 12:53:10 PM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

Why is Lawson, whose averaging 17 points, 7.1 assists a steal and a half a game, and shoots about .380 from the 3 point line completely not in Rondo's league?

Defensive liability, likely already hit his ceiling.

Objectively, both things could be claimed about Rondo. He's older, can't shoot, and has a torn ACL.

Hasn't his mid range game improved drastically the last couple years?

I like ty lawson but I feel like he only really does one thing, score
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: ssspence on March 14, 2013, 01:01:49 PM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

Why is Lawson, whose averaging 17 points, 7.1 assists a steal and a half a game, and shoots about .380 from the 3 point line completely not in Rondo's league?

Defensive liability, likely already hit his ceiling.

Objectively, both things could be claimed about Rondo. He's older, can't shoot, and has a torn ACL.

Hasn't his mid range game improved drastically the last couple years?

I like ty lawson but I feel like he only really does one thing, score

Drastically? Not that I'm aware of. And he remains a dreadful long range and free throw shooter.

Just pointing out that the likelihood that Rondo is going to improve his existing game in any substantial way is slim -- every bit as slim as Lawson improving... which he's certainly done of late.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on March 14, 2013, 01:10:25 PM
We might be able to get Lawson and Chandler for Rondo. The Nuggets value both guys very much.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: CelticG1 on March 14, 2013, 01:34:54 PM
I like and appreciate Ty Lawson more than most, but come on... he's not even in the same league as Rondo.

Agreed totally. I usually don't post in these threads but I feel this discussion is getting way out of line.

Why is Lawson, whose averaging 17 points, 7.1 assists a steal and a half a game, and shoots about .380 from the 3 point line completely not in Rondo's league?

Defensive liability, likely already hit his ceiling.

Objectively, both things could be claimed about Rondo. He's older, can't shoot, and has a torn ACL.

Hasn't his mid range game improved drastically the last couple years?

I like ty lawson but I feel like he only really does one thing, score

Drastically? Not that I'm aware of. And he remains a dreadful long range and free throw shooter.

Just pointing out that the likelihood that Rondo is going to improve his existing game in any substantial way is slim -- every bit as slim as Lawson improving... which he's certainly done of late.

Yeah to your credit you can make a case that any nba player has hit his ceiling, fantastic observation.

I don't know how lawson has improved. He scores, a lot for a team that puts up 120 a night.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: ssspence on March 14, 2013, 02:09:00 PM


Yeah to your credit you can make a case that any nba player has hit his ceiling, fantastic observation.


Actually you really can't. But you probably can for a 27 YO in his 7th season who 1) has numbers that haven't really changes in years, 2) has regressed on defense, and 3) just tore his ACL.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: 1dude on March 14, 2013, 03:27:23 PM
Sadly, most here are unappreciative of what rondo has done for this team. High praises when he's in beast mode and are easy to forget Rondos dominance come playoff time. Wanna see the kid's value, trade him for a few cents on the dollar, and have Celts being torched by rondo next year. Can Lawson outplay rondo? Good luck Lawson.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: kozlodoev on March 14, 2013, 04:23:36 PM
Sadly, most here are unappreciative of what rondo has done for this team. High praises when he's in beast mode and are easy to forget Rondos dominance come playoff time. Wanna see the kid's value, trade him for a few cents on the dollar, and have Celts being torched by rondo next year. Can Lawson outplay rondo? Good luck Lawson.
Sadly, while Rondo is a great player, most here are unappreciative of the fact that he really isn't irreplaceable.

Here's an interesting blurb I found on the Internets:

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/boston-celtics/players/rajon-rondo/comparison/12/2/28/100
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: connor on March 15, 2013, 07:03:42 AM
Sadly, most here are unappreciative of what rondo has done for this team. High praises when he's in beast mode and are easy to forget Rondos dominance come playoff time. Wanna see the kid's value, trade him for a few cents on the dollar, and have Celts being torched by rondo next year. Can Lawson outplay rondo? Good luck Lawson.
Sadly, while Rondo is a great player, most here are unappreciative of the fact that he really isn't irreplaceable.

Here's an interesting blurb I found on the Internets:

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/boston-celtics/players/rajon-rondo/comparison/12/2/28/100
I think the major reason why people don't see Rondo as being replaceable (other than overvaluing our own guys) is because he has such a unique skill set.  Its really hard to imagine someone else taking his place since there are very few players like him around.

Rondo is a facilitator first and foremost. The point guard position in this league has transformed into a major source of scoring with the likes of Chris Paul, Derek Rose, Tony Parker, Steph Curry, Irving, Westbrook being the premier pgs in the league right now.

Deron Williams and Steve Nash are closer to the middle ground in that they both can score and are excellent passers, but neither entirely hang their hat on being able to put the ball into other people's hands to create scoring.

Ricky Rubio has probably the most similar game to Rondo, centered around amazing passes and cutting to the basket, but with a limited short-long range jump shot. And they have similar defensive games, that is when Rondo commits to playing D.

Thats why I think that even when you look at that matchup of stats between Lawson and Rondo and it doesn't seem like overall you'd be giving up all that much by swapping the two, its still hard to imagine Rondo being replaced by him.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 15, 2013, 08:26:05 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Haha yes. The thought of someone actually trading Rondo for just Lawson is completely absurd and unthinkable.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: kozlodoev on March 15, 2013, 08:56:41 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Haha yes. The thought of someone actually trading Rondo for just Lawson is completely absurd and unthinkable.
If he plays like did this season, Lawson is an all-star in the East as well. It's just a lil harder when you're going against Parker, Westbrook, Paul and Kobe in the voting.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: Geo123 on March 15, 2013, 09:54:22 AM

 When Possible Rondo plus first for Wilson Chandler, Kenneth Farried, and Lawson.

 For the Celts tough to turn down IMO. Would the Nuggets want something else back Sully perhaps.

The answer to your question is no way would the Nuggets  do it.  They would laugh at such an offer...
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: jdub1660 on March 15, 2013, 11:29:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=an4e5rk

Rondo, Lee and picks
Lawson, Gallo, and Chandler

To me, that's fair. Rondo's a proven Allstar. Lawson is just improving immensely over past 2 seasons.

This trade just looks like a even trade that's made in the NBA every year.

Allstar, filler and picks for 3 studs
 
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 15, 2013, 11:53:59 AM

 OK then switching it up. Would anybody here swap Rondo for either Farried or Lawson, not much else in the deal for the Celts. Would you do that.

Yup. I would deal Rondo for Lawson, straight up.

I think Lawson is a better player. Denver would likely want to pair Rondo with Faried and McGee (think lob city.)

You could probably set something up where they deal us Lawson and Chandler for Rondo and a future 1st. Add in filler on either side to make it equal out.

I think that's simply absurd, Rondo is a freaking ALL-STAR. Jeez, he is so underrated by Boston fans.

Haha yes. The thought of someone actually trading Rondo for just Lawson is completely absurd and unthinkable.
If he plays like did this season, Lawson is an all-star in the East as well. It's just a lil harder when you're going against Parker, Westbrook, Paul and Kobe in the voting.

Lawson wasn't even top ten in voting in the West. If he was placed in the East he would have been lucky to have been in 7th or 8th... Just fan voting but still.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: connor on March 15, 2013, 04:51:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=an4e5rk

Rondo, Lee and picks
Lawson, Gallo, and Chandler

To me, that's fair. Rondo's a proven Allstar. Lawson is just improving immensely over past 2 seasons.

This trade just looks like a even trade that's made in the NBA every year.

Allstar, filler and picks for 3 studs
I don't disagree that this is a fair enough swap of talent, but I don't think its what either team is looking for.

The Nuggets aren't going to want to give up Gallinari's offense and shooting ability when they are bringing in Rondo, who lacks the offense but is going to be great at finding their shooters. Gallinari isn't untouchable, I just don't think they'd want to move him.

The Celtics will want a Big back and the Nuggets are overflowing with them. Green Pierce and Gallinari would be a little bit of a log jam for the Celtics anyway at SF and could use picks back from Denver for their rebuilding efforts rather than giving them up along with their only young star.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: tonyto3690 on March 20, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
Lol, no Denver wouldn't make this deal.

They already have Ty Lawson who is just as good if not better than Rondo.

So that's a lateral move right there

And then for Denver to trade Faried as well? Not happening.

Lawson is not even in the same area code as Rondo.

Rondo is a top 5 PG at worst.
Lawson is a top 10 PG at best.

Rondo is the best rebounding PG
Rondo is the best passing PG
Rondo has the best court vision of any PG
Rondo has won a ring
Rondo has 50 times more playoff experience
Rondo is a better ball handler

Lawson is a better shooter than Rondo
Lawson is healthier than Rondo.


Rondo beats Lawson in almost every way except shooting.
Title: Re: Would Denver make this deal.
Post by: kozlodoev on March 20, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
Lawson wasn't even top ten in voting in the West. If he was placed in the East he would have been lucky to have been in 7th or 8th... Just fan voting but still.
Of course he wasn't top 10, votes are relative, not absolute. You have the guard votes in the West going to Westbrook, Paul, and Kobe instead.

In the East, Jrue Holliday was an all-star, and Jrue Holliday is pretty much a carbon copy of Lawson.