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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: TheSundanceKid on July 21, 2018, 05:16:25 PM
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https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nba-insider-very-accomplished-third-player-plotting-to-join-kyrie-irving--jimmy-butler-in-2019/286433956
NBA Insider: 'Very accomplished' third player plotting to join Kyrie Irving & Jimmy Butler in 2019
"There's a third guy that I can't mention, but yeah," Goodwill said about another 2019 free agent joining Irving and Butler. "I can't tell you (who) but I can tell you it's a very accomplished NBA player. Very accomplished."
Is there a team that can create 3 max slots? I don't think so.. Probably more baseless speculation though.
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Saying it is a very accomplished player means it is not a max level player or at least not anymore. Maybe someone like Dwight.
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With all the speculation going on I think If kyrie leaves its far from the end of the world. It’s not like we gave up anything of significance to get him, he’s always injured, we have young guys who can step up with scoring as seen in the playoffs, and we will probably have a top 5 pick in 2019 in a draft with a lot of good point guards.
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It’s Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard
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https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nba-insider-very-accomplished-third-player-plotting-to-join-kyrie-irving--jimmy-butler-in-2019/286433956
NBA Insider: 'Very accomplished' third player plotting to join Kyrie Irving & Jimmy Butler in 2019
"There's a third guy that I can't mention, but yeah," Goodwill said about another 2019 free agent joining Irving and Butler. "I can't tell you (who) but I can tell you it's a very accomplished NBA player. Very accomplished."
Is there a team that can create 3 max slots? I don't think so.. Probably more baseless speculation though.
Brooklyn can pretty much clear their books if they bribe someone to take Allen Crabbe by dangling D'Angelo Russell and RHJ. Theoretically, if Butler forces his way out of Minnesota at the trade deadline that might be a package of three rotation-ready players that could appeal to Thibs. Would also get the first part of an attempted triumvirate in place early.
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For what it's worth, some of the top free agents in 2019 are
Klay, Boogie, Jordan, Kemba, Bledsoe, Tobias Harris, Vucevic, Mirotic (unrestricted)
Kyrie, Butler, Kawhi, Durant, Love, Middleton, Horford, Marc Gasol, Dragic, Teague, Harrison Barnes (player options)
Not included restricted free agents and team options cause if the players are good enough there is practically zero chance they change teams.
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https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nba-insider-very-accomplished-third-player-plotting-to-join-kyrie-irving--jimmy-butler-in-2019/286433956
NBA Insider: 'Very accomplished' third player plotting to join Kyrie Irving & Jimmy Butler in 2019
"There's a third guy that I can't mention, but yeah," Goodwill said about another 2019 free agent joining Irving and Butler. "I can't tell you (who) but I can tell you it's a very accomplished NBA player. Very accomplished."
Is there a team that can create 3 max slots? I don't think so.. Probably more baseless speculation though.
A current team could help facilitate via a sign and trade, right?
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https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nba-insider-very-accomplished-third-player-plotting-to-join-kyrie-irving--jimmy-butler-in-2019/286433956
NBA Insider: 'Very accomplished' third player plotting to join Kyrie Irving & Jimmy Butler in 2019
"There's a third guy that I can't mention, but yeah," Goodwill said about another 2019 free agent joining Irving and Butler. "I can't tell you (who) but I can tell you it's a very accomplished NBA player. Very accomplished."
Is there a team that can create 3 max slots? I don't think so.. Probably more baseless speculation though.
A current team could help facilitate via a sign and trade, right?
If one of the players is acquired in a sign-and-trade, then the team receiving them would be hard capped at the tax line. Building a team with 3 max contracts and a hard cap would be practically impossible
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I love how the narrative shifted.
Irving clearly stated that it didn't make sense for him financially to make any decisions until next off-season. He didn't affirm his desire to stay with the Celtics, but his reasoning was clear and direct.
Now the narrative is "who is teaming up with Irving and Butler in New York?"
Narratives in sports get out of control quicker than my two year old on a sugar rush.
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https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nba-insider-very-accomplished-third-player-plotting-to-join-kyrie-irving--jimmy-butler-in-2019/286433956
NBA Insider: 'Very accomplished' third player plotting to join Kyrie Irving & Jimmy Butler in 2019
"There's a third guy that I can't mention, but yeah," Goodwill said about another 2019 free agent joining Irving and Butler. "I can't tell you (who) but I can tell you it's a very accomplished NBA player. Very accomplished."
Is there a team that can create 3 max slots? I don't think so.. Probably more baseless speculation though.
Brooklyn can pretty much clear their books if they bribe someone to take Allen Crabbe by dangling D'Angelo Russell and RHJ. Theoretically, if Butler forces his way out of Minnesota at the trade deadline that might be a package of three rotation-ready players that could appeal to Thibs. Would also get the first part of an attempted triumvirate in place early.
If DA senses KI is leaving, that package appeals to me.
Crabbe/Russell/RHJ or Jarret Allen or LaVert for Mook and Kyrie works for me.
There's a long article in the Daily Links on the front page that proffers Brooklyn OR the Knicks as a possible desired location:
Ever since last offseason, Kyrie Irving has voiced his desire to play for a team close to his hometown of West Orange, New Jersey. Although the state once had an NBA team, they are now residing in Brooklyn, with a team filled with young talent and plenty of cap space. However, when talking about THE team from New York, it is hard to put the Nets over their neighbors across the East River. With a clear-cut All-Star at full health in Porzingis, rising stars in Ntilikina and Knox, and one of the most respected coaches around the league in Fizdale, the Knicks are once again a premier destination for free agents.
The Knicks are certainly in a good place to add a player of Irving’s caliber next year. With Enes Kanter, Ron Baker, and Emmanuel Mudiay all playing on expiring contracts, the Knicks are in line to have two max-contract slots available. This comes with the condition that the Knicks can find someone to take on Courtney Lee’s $12M, but the Knicks have reportedly already been looking for suitors. Another issue could arise with Tim Hardaway Jr’s massive four year, $71M through 2021. Of course, both of these contracts were organized by the Phil Jackson Knicks, a team that should have no correlation with what the Knicks are trying to become now. Nonetheless, as long as management can perform their duties of leaving as much money available to bring in stars, New York should be able to acquire a much needed piece to play alongside Porzingis.
The Nets, on the other hand, are just now concluding their end of the deal with the Boston Celtics centered around the Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jason Terry trade all the way back in 2013. With their final pick being used by the Cavs to select G Collin Sexton at number eight, the Nets have learned their lesson to never break the bank for players past their prime. Now, they have a former 2nd overall pick in D’Angelo Russell, a steal from last year’s draft in Jarrett Allen, and the previously mentioned cap space that makes them contenders to sign anyone they want. Plus, something Brooklyn has that the Knicks do not is lack of long-term commitment. Jarrett Allen is the only player that is signed through the 2020-21 season, meaning the team is likely to be completely remodeled by then.
As for Kyrie, it is still unsure what he is trying to gain out of potentially leaving the best team in the Eastern Conference. Not only that, an extremely young team with a coach that can get the most out of every single player on any given night. Considering this team was one game away from playing in the NBA Finals last year without its two best players, it is hard to see why Kyrie would decide to abandon all that. Then again, this is the same man that demanded a trade from the best player of this generation, so nothing is out of the picture. If the thought of playing “with a big man like Porzingis” really entices Irving enough, it may not be long until the duo brings Madison Square Garden back to its Starks-Ewing days./quote]
https://www.isportsweb.com/2018/07/20/new-york-vs-brooklyn-the-battle-for-kyrie-irving/
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I prefer to keep and sign Kyrie to a long term deal, but if that doesn’t seem to be a possibility, then I hope Danny is doing his due diligence here. While we might be able to afford losing Kyrie, our status as a top-tier contender to GSW would be greatly hindered if we lost him for nothing.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
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Brooklyn can pretty much clear their books if they bribe someone to take Allen Crabbe by dangling D'Angelo Russell and RHJ. Theoretically, if Butler forces his way out of Minnesota at the trade deadline that might be a package of three rotation-ready players that could appeal to Thibs. Would also get the first part of an attempted triumvirate in place early.
If DA senses KI is leaving, that package appeals to me.
Crabbe/Russell/RHJ or Jarret Allen or LaVert for Mook and Kyrie works for me.
Oh, short of a flat-out public trade demand, I think there's next to no chance Ainge trades away Irving in what should be a season where they make a serious run at the Finals, nevermind to a team in-division as the first step in a three-star team-up. I was just responding to the question of whether anyone could clear three max slots. Brooklyn's going to be able to pretty much come as close as possible to doing so if they can get someone to take Crabbe for an expiring.
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I love how the narrative shifted.
Irving clearly stated that it didn't make sense for him financially to make any decisions until next off-season. He didn't affirm his desire to stay with the Celtics, but his reasoning was clear and direct.
Now the narrative is "who is teaming up with Irving and Butler in New York?"
Narratives in sports get out of control quicker than my two year old on a sugar rush.
Yep. Just like the narrative that Paul George was 100% waiting to sign with the Lakers this summer.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
So deciding to play for a worse team automatically makes you an idiot? You must already think he's an idiot after demanding a trade from Cleveland.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
So deciding to play for a worse team automatically makes you an idiot? You must already think he's an idiot after demanding a trade from Cleveland.
Idiot, coward, values brand over winning. Whatever.
And yes, I think Kyrie forcing his way out of Cleveland was a pretty weak move, as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors. He’s on a great team, with a ton of endorsements on a historic franchise. He’s entitled to give that all up for whatever reason he wants, but I think it would be a idiotic decision.
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
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If Kyrie leaves Boston for New York, I'll be disappointed and probably a little miffed. I understand that New York is the media capital of the world, blah, blah, blah ... but it's the freakin' Knicks. Wretched franchise.
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
I mean, what do you think Ainge's response would be if asked "Can you guarantee [Player X] will still be one the roster in three years?"?
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
I'm not fond of Kyrie but what is he supposed to do. He's not going to commit to re-signing with us a year out.
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https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/nba-insider-very-accomplished-third-player-plotting-to-join-kyrie-irving--jimmy-butler-in-2019/286433956
NBA Insider: 'Very accomplished' third player plotting to join Kyrie Irving & Jimmy Butler in 2019
"There's a third guy that I can't mention, but yeah," Goodwill said about another 2019 free agent joining Irving and Butler. "I can't tell you (who) but I can tell you it's a very accomplished NBA player. Very accomplished."
Is there a team that can create 3 max slots? I don't think so.. Probably more baseless speculation though.
Brooklyn can pretty much clear their books if they bribe someone to take Allen Crabbe by dangling D'Angelo Russell and RHJ. Theoretically, if Butler forces his way out of Minnesota at the trade deadline that might be a package of three rotation-ready players that could appeal to Thibs. Would also get the first part of an attempted triumvirate in place early.
If DA senses KI is leaving, that package appeals to me.
Crabbe/Russell/RHJ or Jarret Allen or LaVert for Mook and Kyrie works for me.
There's a long article in the Daily Links on the front page that proffers Brooklyn OR the Knicks as a possible desired location:
Ever since last offseason, Kyrie Irving has voiced his desire to play for a team close to his hometown of West Orange, New Jersey. Although the state once had an NBA team, they are now residing in Brooklyn, with a team filled with young talent and plenty of cap space. However, when talking about THE team from New York, it is hard to put the Nets over their neighbors across the East River. With a clear-cut All-Star at full health in Porzingis, rising stars in Ntilikina and Knox, and one of the most respected coaches around the league in Fizdale, the Knicks are once again a premier destination for free agents.
The Knicks are certainly in a good place to add a player of Irving’s caliber next year. With Enes Kanter, Ron Baker, and Emmanuel Mudiay all playing on expiring contracts, the Knicks are in line to have two max-contract slots available. This comes with the condition that the Knicks can find someone to take on Courtney Lee’s $12M, but the Knicks have reportedly already been looking for suitors. Another issue could arise with Tim Hardaway Jr’s massive four year, $71M through 2021. Of course, both of these contracts were organized by the Phil Jackson Knicks, a team that should have no correlation with what the Knicks are trying to become now. Nonetheless, as long as management can perform their duties of leaving as much money available to bring in stars, New York should be able to acquire a much needed piece to play alongside Porzingis.
The Nets, on the other hand, are just now concluding their end of the deal with the Boston Celtics centered around the Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Jason Terry trade all the way back in 2013. With their final pick being used by the Cavs to select G Collin Sexton at number eight, the Nets have learned their lesson to never break the bank for players past their prime. Now, they have a former 2nd overall pick in D’Angelo Russell, a steal from last year’s draft in Jarrett Allen, and the previously mentioned cap space that makes them contenders to sign anyone they want. Plus, something Brooklyn has that the Knicks do not is lack of long-term commitment. Jarrett Allen is the only player that is signed through the 2020-21 season, meaning the team is likely to be completely remodeled by then.
As for Kyrie, it is still unsure what he is trying to gain out of potentially leaving the best team in the Eastern Conference. Not only that, an extremely young team with a coach that can get the most out of every single player on any given night. Considering this team was one game away from playing in the NBA Finals last year without its two best players, it is hard to see why Kyrie would decide to abandon all that. Then again, this is the same man that demanded a trade from the best player of this generation, so nothing is out of the picture. If the thought of playing “with a big man like Porzingis” really entices Irving enough, it may not be long until the duo brings Madison Square Garden back to its Starks-Ewing days./quote]
https://www.isportsweb.com/2018/07/20/new-york-vs-brooklyn-the-battle-for-kyrie-irving/
Kyrie has voiced his desire to play in NY/NJ? When did this happen repeatedly, as the "article" suggests?
I don't get why people post obscure internet blog posts as "news".
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
It's not really different though. It goes back to the one way loyalty people expect from players versus management. Ainge will never state that player X isn't available in a trade. Kyrie shouldn't be forced to state his intention to resign here if he doesn't know whether or not that'll be the case. It's a bit silly to say he's "allowing the narrative to exist" when he's also said multiple times that he's excited about the upcoming season and is fully focused on right now, that he enjoys his teammates and admires his coach. One is more click bait-y than the other.
Kyrie will be a free agent in a year, he should keep his options open if that's what he wants to do. I don't think he's an "idiot" if he chooses to go somewhere else if that's what makes him happy. More players should do what they want, because ultimately the franchise will do the same. Look at Demar Derozan - the guy fully embraced a franchise and city, and said on multiple occasions he wanted to spend his entire career in Toronto. You know what that endearing loyalty got him? Traded.
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Kyrie will be a free agent in a year, he should keep his options open if that's what he wants to do. I don't think he's an "idiot" if he chooses to go somewhere else if that's what makes him happy. More players should do what they want, because ultimately the franchise will do the same. Look at Demar Derozan - the guy fully embraced a franchise and city, and said on multiple occasions he wanted to spend his entire career in Toronto. You know what that endearing loyalty got him? Traded.
Just because players are free to choose their future doesn’t mean those choices are beyond criticism. Leaving the Celtics for less money and a worse franchise with less of a chance at winning would make him an idiot or a loser.
I mean, what do you think Ainge's response would be if asked "Can you guarantee [Player X] will still be one the roster in three years?"?
What about one year, which is what we’re talking about.
If Danny was asked if Tatum will be in the roster in a year, I’m pretty sure he’d commit to that with a “we hope Jayson is a Celtic for a long time. He’s one of the players we intend to build around”.
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kyrie and butler isn't really on the same level as lebron and wade or kg/ pp or obviously kd + steph and co.
they're both good players but not necessarily on the level imo of these other guys, and i don't see why they'd think that the two of them on the same team would be vastly superior to the teams and teammates they already have.
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kyrie and butler isn't really on the same level as lebron and wade or kg/ pp or obviously kd + steph and co.
they're both good players but not necessarily on the level imo of these other guys, and i don't see why they'd think that the two of them on the same team would be vastly superior to the teams and teammates they already have.
I get it for Butler. Losing franchise, immature teammates, flawed coach, NBA Siberia.
Kyrie has the best of all worlds on the court. He won’t win more somewhere else. Of course, winning was secondary in Cleveland, so maybe he bails.
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Kyrie will be a free agent in a year, he should keep his options open if that's what he wants to do. I don't think he's an "idiot" if he chooses to go somewhere else if that's what makes him happy. More players should do what they want, because ultimately the franchise will do the same. Look at Demar Derozan - the guy fully embraced a franchise and city, and said on multiple occasions he wanted to spend his entire career in Toronto. You know what that endearing loyalty got him? Traded.
Just because players are free to choose their future doesn’t mean those choices are beyond criticism. Leaving the Celtics for less money and a worse franchise with less of a chance at winning would make him an idiot or a loser.
He already has a ring, so why can't he prioritize other things? Playing near his hometown with his friends might be more intriguing to him. And as far as him being an idiot for taking less money, no one calls Kevin Durant an idiot for taking less money with the Warriors two years in a row. No one called Demar an idiot for taking less than the max on his last deal with the Raptors. Or Gordon Hayward for taking less money to come to Boston. But I guess the difference is that you've deemed their reasons for doing so acceptable.
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Kyrie will be a free agent in a year, he should keep his options open if that's what he wants to do. I don't think he's an "idiot" if he chooses to go somewhere else if that's what makes him happy. More players should do what they want, because ultimately the franchise will do the same. Look at Demar Derozan - the guy fully embraced a franchise and city, and said on multiple occasions he wanted to spend his entire career in Toronto. You know what that endearing loyalty got him? Traded.
Just because players are free to choose their future doesn’t mean those choices are beyond criticism. Leaving the Celtics for less money and a worse franchise with less of a chance at winning would make him an idiot or a loser.
I mean, what do you think Ainge's response would be if asked "Can you guarantee [Player X] will still be one the roster in three years?"?
What about one year, which is what we’re talking about.
If Danny was asked if Tatum will be in the roster in a year, I’m pretty sure he’d commit to that with a “we hope Jayson is a Celtic for a long time. He’s one of the players we intend to build around”.
And the next week if AD becomes available and Ainge trades Tatum for him, Ainge won't get any flack about it. On the other hand if Kyrie commits to return now but then next offseason decides he has another opportunity that he prefers, Kyrie would be a Judas.
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What about one year, which is what we’re talking about.
If Danny was asked if Tatum will be in the roster in a year, I’m pretty sure he’d commit to that with a “we hope Jayson is a Celtic for a long time. He’s one of the players we intend to build around”.
….which isn't the same as emphatically stating that he'd never trade Tatum. Because Ainge wouldn't do something like that.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
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kyrie and butler isn't really on the same level as lebron and wade or kg/ pp or obviously kd + steph and co.
they're both good players but not necessarily on the level imo of these other guys, and i don't see why they'd think that the two of them on the same team would be vastly superior to the teams and teammates they already have.
I get it for Butler. Losing franchise, immature teammates, flawed coach, NBA Siberia.
Kyrie has the best of all worlds on the court. He won’t win more somewhere else. Of course, winning was secondary in Cleveland, so maybe he bails.
What are you talking about? He wanted to leave Cleveland because he didn't like playing with Lebron and didn't want to tolerate Lebron's prima donna ways.
As for all this speculation that's coming out, it is simply baseless and senseless. Jimmy Butler likes some stupid Instagram post, Chris Mannix mentions he heard from a 3rd party source that Kyrie wants to play in NY one day and suddenly we have Kyrie pegged to leave? Makes no sense.
And Kyrie is smart to not even comment on any of this foolishness. Just go about your business and don't comment on ridiculous speculation, which is totally unfounded. Clearly, you're not a Kyrie fan for whatever reason, so that should also be taken into account.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I’d rather have Jaylen.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that too, as a deadline thing, but I just don't think it's financially feasible for Boston. My guess is that if Butler was made available at the deadline, at age 29 and with Thibs miles on him, Ainge's offer wouldn't go terribly higher than Smart, Morris, and some mix of picks. However, not only do you potentially have all three of Kyrie, Butler, and Horford all looking for big new deals in the summer of 2019 (plus whatever happens with Rozier), but you also have a new contract for Jaylen, possibly a new contract for Hayward, and discussion of a rookie extension for Tatum coming the following summer.
That's without getting into who moves to the bench in the event that Butler's brought aboard.
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Just glancing at the link and seeing it's from a NY outlet means it's not even worth clicking on. They are hoping and wishing on a star for KI. I cant wait till he re-signs in Boston so they can shut the hell up about forming some kind of super team. One thing that will remain the same and any sane superstar would steer clear of if they had sense is James Dolan. He will make sure the Knicks remain irrelevant for many years to come!
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
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Yeah, I'd put the odds of Kyrie actually leaving somewhere around 0.01%.
I do find it funny, though, that people are rehashing storylines that are a year old and came up before Kyrie was traded to the Celtics. Oh well, it's summer, I guess people need something to talk about.
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How credible is the site that states Kyrie Irving is a forward?
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How credible is the site that states Kyrie Irving is a forward?
We've got the NBA version of the NWO forming. Kyrie is Scott Hall, Butler is Kevin Nash and (insert player) is going to be Hollywood Hogan.
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It's not really different though. It goes back to the one way loyalty people expect from players versus management.
Yes, it's really different. No, it doesn't go back to one way loyalty.
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Kyrie will be a free agent in a year, he should keep his options open if that's what he wants to do. I don't think he's an "idiot" if he chooses to go somewhere else if that's what makes him happy. More players should do what they want, because ultimately the franchise will do the same. Look at Demar Derozan - the guy fully embraced a franchise and city, and said on multiple occasions he wanted to spend his entire career in Toronto. You know what that endearing loyalty got him? Traded.
Just because players are free to choose their future doesn’t mean those choices are beyond criticism. Leaving the Celtics for less money and a worse franchise with less of a chance at winning would make him an idiot or a loser.
Yah you're right, these players can be criticized, but labeling someone an "idiot" and "loser" based on some hypothetical where you know nothing about that person's thought process seems...well other people can judge for themselves. I find name-calling says more about the person saying the insult than the person being insulted.
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Coincidence that Amir Johnson agreed to just a one-year deal with the 76ers? I think not.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
I think Hayward was better. Much better shooter and passer. I don't know how good Hayward will be when he comes back but in the 16-17 season, I think Hayward was a better player than Jimmy Butler.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
Uh, yes he was
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How credible is the site that states Kyrie Irving is a forward?
We've got the NBA version of the NWO forming. Kyrie is Scott Hall, Butler is Kevin Nash and (insert player) is going to be Hollywood Hogan.
Huge NWO swerve here.....Hollywood Hogan played be Lebron James. Jimmy traded to Lakers. KI signs there next year as UFA
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
sources connected to the player reiterated in the last two days that, while there are miles to go between now and the end of the coming season, the All-Star guard is quite pleased with his Celtic surroundings and has been talking about the future here beyond 2018-19.
What more should he say?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability
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Better keep Rozier cause Irving will leave for the biggest market in the NBA..guy got knee issues anyway..always find a point guard
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
sources connected to the player reiterated in the last two days that, while there are miles to go between now and the end of the coming season, the All-Star guard is quite pleased with his Celtic surroundings and has been talking about the future here beyond 2018-19.
What more should he say?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability
That’s not him saying it. If he says the above publicly, great.
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New York media is so horny for the Knicks to be relevant they are starting to speak in absolutes.
Like someone mentioned, kyrie’s set up to make the most money, have a championship team around him and would be an idiot to go play for the Knicks
He goes he goes. Resign Rozier and make a play for another PG.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
In a vacuum, sure. But on this team? Hayward is a lot better. Hayward is a better playmaker and shooter, and that is very important in Brad's system. Plus we don't need someone who throws his teammates under a bus.
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New York driven media making up stories
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
sources connected to the player reiterated in the last two days that, while there are miles to go between now and the end of the coming season, the All-Star guard is quite pleased with his Celtic surroundings and has been talking about the future here beyond 2018-19.
What more should he say?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability)
That’s not him saying it. If he says the above publicly, great.
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Fair enough Roy.
I think the indications suggest he plans to stay here long term, but I agree that statements like the one you cite are not good for the team. Btw, a source would be appreciated, not that I doubt he said it, rather for checking the context.
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
sources connected to the player reiterated in the last two days that, while there are miles to go between now and the end of the coming season, the All-Star guard is quite pleased with his Celtic surroundings and has been talking about the future here beyond 2018-19.
What more should he say?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability)
That’s not him saying it. If he says the above publicly, great.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfNyfeXXcAA-FYZ?format=jpg)
Fair enough Roy.
I think the indications suggest he plans to stay here long term, but I agree that statements like the one you cite are not good for the team. Btw, a source would be appreciated, not that I doubt he said it, rather for checking the context.
Interview with The NY Times:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1005273144901492736?
Of course, based on his other answers in that interview, he may have been baked out of his mind. (“Constitutionally Round” would make a great screen name.)
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
sources connected to the player reiterated in the last two days that, while there are miles to go between now and the end of the coming season, the All-Star guard is quite pleased with his Celtic surroundings and has been talking about the future here beyond 2018-19.
What more should he say?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability)
That’s not him saying it. If he says the above publicly, great.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfNyfeXXcAA-FYZ?format=jpg)
Fair enough Roy.
I think the indications suggest he plans to stay here long term, but I agree that statements like the one you cite are not good for the team. Btw, a source would be appreciated, not that I doubt he said it, rather for checking the context.
Interview with The NY Times:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/1005273144901492736?
Of course, based on his other answers in that interview, he may have been baked out of his mind. (“Constitutionally Round” would make a great screen name.)
There's no getting around it. Whatever the explanation is for this flat earth thing, there is something wrong with him. Al of his interviews give off the same whiff of crazy. I worry that it will inevitably creep into his relationship with the team. Its too bad, because he's one of the most entertaining players I've ever seen play.
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I wouldnt give him max deal anyway with his knee..get Kemba Walker next season
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as is Kyrie’s current refusal to kill rumors.
Is this really any different than Ainge being willing to discuss any potential deal no matter who it involves?
Yes, it’s pretty different. Kyrie is the one who has allowed this narrative to exist, and when directly asked about his commitment to Boston, he’s intentionally vague. That’s not an endearing quality.
sources connected to the player reiterated in the last two days that, while there are miles to go between now and the end of the coming season, the All-Star guard is quite pleased with his Celtic surroundings and has been talking about the future here beyond 2018-19.
What more should he say?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability
That’s not him saying it. If he says the above publicly, great.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfNyfeXXcAA-FYZ?format=jpg)
That's a perfectly reasonable statement from Kyrie.
In other words, "I'll worry about next summer and free agency when next summer gets here. In the meantime, I'm focuses on winning a title in Boston ".
Kyrie is a guy that seems to live in the present. There's nothing he can do right now about next summer, so why should he waste his time worrying about it? It's not his problem if media with nothing better to do keep asking him a question that can't be answered right now. I don't need him to publicly answer that question. Fans that do are just being selfish and unrealistic.
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I wouldnt give him max deal anyway with his knee..get Kemba Walker next season
Lol. How do you propose we do that? That's completely disregarding the fact that Kemba is, for all intents and purposes, just a poor man's Kyrie
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I wouldnt give him max deal anyway with his knee..get Kemba Walker next season
Hasn't Kemba had two knee surgeries on the same knee?
Smitty77
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I wouldnt give him max deal anyway with his knee..get Kemba Walker next season
Lol. How do you propose we do that? That's completely disregarding the fact that Kemba is, for all intents and purposes, just a poor man's Kyrie
Is Walker a FA next season?
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lol, this sounds more like someone on the knicks just leaking false information trying to get the pot stirred.
sure Kyrie could come out and squash everything but he also loses his bargaining aspect and even if he did address it whatever he said would get overanalyzed and people would come up with their own conclusion anyway.
meanwhile the Celtics keep saying they feel really good about being able to re-sign kyrie.
me personally I think there are a lot of Celtics fans that are easily duped.
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lol, this sounds more like someone on the knicks just leaking false information trying to get the pot stirred.
sure Kyrie could come out and squash everything but he also loses his bargaining aspect and even if he did address it whatever he said would get overanalyzed and people would come up with their own conclusion anyway.
meanwhile the Celtics keep saying they feel really good about being able to re-sign kyrie.
me personally I think there are a lot of Celtics fans that are easily duped.
No, it's more that we traded IT4 for him and broke his heart. It's mainly people who didn't want him here who took issue with how kyrie speaks from the start. Kyrie actually gave another answer sometime around the time of the often quoted one but it has been posted before, it just doesn't jive with twisted theories.
I don't know what Kyrie's going to do and I really don't care at the moment but he clearly said he will worry about it when it's time to. No players say they are going to stay this early but for some reason kyries needs to or at least say what someone else thinks he should.
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I wouldnt give him max deal anyway with his knee..get Kemba Walker next season
Lol. How do you propose we do that? That's completely disregarding the fact that Kemba is, for all intents and purposes, just a poor man's Kyrie
Is Walker a FA next season?
Yes he is but we wouldn't have cap space to sign him even if Kyrie leaves. So it would have to be a sign and trade which would require salary matching which would be tough to do.
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lol, this sounds more like someone on the knicks just leaking false information trying to get the pot stirred.
sure Kyrie could come out and squash everything but he also loses his bargaining aspect and even if he did address it whatever he said would get overanalyzed and people would come up with their own conclusion anyway.
meanwhile the Celtics keep saying they feel really good about being able to re-sign kyrie.
me personally I think there are a lot of Celtics fans that are easily duped.
No, it's more that we traded IT4 for him and broke his heart. It's mainly people who didn't want him here who took issue with how kyrie speaks from the start. Kyrie actually gave another answer sometime around the time of the often quoted one but it has been posted before, it just doesn't jive with twisted theories.
I don't know what Kyrie's going to do and I really don't care at the moment but he clearly said he will worry about it when it's time to. No players say they are going to stay this early but for some reason kyries needs to or at least say what someone else thinks he should.
Exactly. There are some people who didn't like the trade and are still sour about it. So, excuses will be created to justify not liking Kyrie. In the meantime, like others have astutely pointed out, alot of this speculation is fabricated just to get people talking and create some buzz for a hapless Knicks franchise.
What happens if Kyrie comes out and says "I want to be a Celtic forever" and then leaves in free agency next year? That's why it's best to just not say anything, which he is wisely doing.
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so let me get this straight... Kyrie is going to leave less money on the table and play for a bad team with a bad owner..... FAKE NEWS
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so let me get this straight... Kyrie is going to leave less money on the table and play for a bad team with a bad owner..... FAKE NEWS
I like that! Those two words pretty much sum everything up. FAKE NEWS.
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This all feels like blickbait bs to me.
And yeah, Kyrie could end a lot of the speculation by saying definitively he intends to resign with the Celtics but it feels weird to blame him for other people's sloppy or fake reporting.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
I think Hayward was better. Much better shooter and passer. I don't know how good Hayward will be when he comes back but in the 16-17 season, I think Hayward was a better player than Jimmy Butler.
I was actually surprised that Hayward is only like 6 months younger than Butler and somehow has played more minutes than Butler in his career (15k for butler, 16k for Hayward). Would have guessed Butler had played more.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
I think Hayward was better. Much better shooter and passer. I don't know how good Hayward will be when he comes back but in the 16-17 season, I think Hayward was a better player than Jimmy Butler.
I was actually surprised that Hayward is only like 6 months younger than Butler and somehow has played more minutes than Butler in his career (15k for butler, 16k for Hayward). Would have guessed Butler had played more.
Butler was a 3 year player at Marquette. Gordon only played two years at Butler. So Gordon had an extra year and Jimmy Butler played sparringly his first year which makes up for Haywsrd not playing last year.
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With all the speculation going on I think If kyrie leaves its far from the end of the world. It’s not like we gave up anything of significance to get him, he’s always injured, we have young guys who can step up with scoring as seen in the playoffs, and we will probably have a top 5 pick in 2019 in a draft with a lot of good point guards.
Look it's not probable in my view, but not impossible either that Kyrie went to NY or someplace else with Butler/Mystery Man.
At the very least we should brace for a very annoying FA process with Kyrie, complete with a house in the Hamptons for GMs to come grovel. It's going to take a minute..
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With all the speculation going on I think If kyrie leaves its far from the end of the world. It’s not like we gave up anything of significance to get him, he’s always injured, we have young guys who can step up with scoring as seen in the playoffs, and we will probably have a top 5 pick in 2019 in a draft with a lot of good point guards.
This draft actually sucks for PGs. But we still have Scary Terry..
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You guessed it, it's former 1st team All-NBA center Joakim Noah!!
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You guessed it, it's former 1st team All-NBA center Joakim Noah!!
Good one. TP!
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With all the speculation going on I think If kyrie leaves its far from the end of the world. It’s not like we gave up anything of significance to get him, he’s always injured, we have young guys who can step up with scoring as seen in the playoffs, and we will probably have a top 5 pick in 2019 in a draft with a lot of good point guards.
Look it's not probable in my view, but not impossible either that Kyrie went to NY or someplace else with Butler/Mystery Man.
At the very least we should brace for a very annoying FA process with Kyrie, complete with a house in the Hamptons for GMs to come grovel. It's going to take a minute..
Kyrie is definitely a man of mystery. By admission he enjoys giving the media a story that will cause a polarizing reaction.
I believe Kyrie will draw a distinction between feeding the media and making the Celtics wonder about his intentions. If he's thinking about leaving then that's fine, but I hope he doesn't drag out the free agency process if he really wants to sign a max deal with the Celtics.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
Uh, yes he was
not by those that actual cover the league. As Jimmy Butler was 3rd Team All NBA in the 2016-17 season. Butler was 3rd Team again this past year. He has also been 2nd Team All Defense 4 times including last year. Butler finished last year in 10th place in MVP voting. Gordon Hayward has never made a single All NBA Team of any kind and has never received votes for MVP. Butler has made 4 straight all star teams as well, to Hayward's 1. Butler has a 17.8% chance at the HOF. Hayward is currently at 0.2%.
Jimmy Butler is quite simply better than Gordon Hayward.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
Uh, yes he was
not by those that actual cover the league. As Jimmy Butler was 3rd Team All NBA in the 2016-17 season. Butler was 3rd Team again this past year. He has also been 2nd Team All Defense 4 times including last year. Butler finished last year in 10th place in MVP voting. Gordon Hayward has never made a single All NBA Team of any kind and has never received votes for MVP. Butler has made 4 straight all star teams as well, to Hayward's 1. Butler has a 17.8% chance at the HOF. Hayward is currently at 0.2%.
Jimmy Butler is quite simply better than Gordon Hayward.
Lol, using things like All-NBA teams and popularity contests (which are obviously inherently unfair, considering Butler plays for one of the most storied franchises in the league) is laughable. Was Dame the best point guard in the league in 2018? Guys like DJ and Joakim Noah have made All-NBA teams, lol.
Also, using previous seasons is completely irrelevant. Gordon Hayward in 2016-2017 was awesome, particularly when one considers the incredibly slow pace and weak offensive options of that Utah team, which is something you seem to not be doing.
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If Kyrie leaves, he’s an idiot. Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Horford + Smart is better than Butler + “very accomplished “ player
Perhaps, Boston should consider making a move to add a Butler.
I've thought about that, but I feel Butler would be rather redundant. Between Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum, that's alot of touches. I also feel that Butler and Hayward are essentially the same player, only Hayward is better.
Hayward wasn't better than Butler befire he was hurt. He won't be better after the injury either
Uh, yes he was
not by those that actual cover the league. As Jimmy Butler was 3rd Team All NBA in the 2016-17 season. Butler was 3rd Team again this past year. He has also been 2nd Team All Defense 4 times including last year. Butler finished last year in 10th place in MVP voting. Gordon Hayward has never made a single All NBA Team of any kind and has never received votes for MVP. Butler has made 4 straight all star teams as well, to Hayward's 1. Butler has a 17.8% chance at the HOF. Hayward is currently at 0.2%.
Jimmy Butler is quite simply better than Gordon Hayward.
Lol, using things like All-NBA teams and popularity contests (which are obviously inherently unfair, considering Butler plays for one of the most storied franchises in the league) is laughable. Was Dame the best point guard in the league in 2018? Guys like DJ and Joakim Noah have made All-NBA teams, lol.
Also, using previous seasons is completely irrelevant. Gordon Hayward in 2016-2017 was awesome, particularly when one considers the incredibly slow pace and weak offensive options of that Utah team, which is something you seem to not be doing.
Per 100 possessions in 16-17, Jimmy Butler grabbed more rebounds, dished out more assists, generated more steals, blocked more shots, and committed less fouls than Gordon Hayward. Hayward had .8 more points per 100 possessions and they had the same amount of turnovers per 100 possessions. Butler generated far more FT's per attempt, though he did not shoot as many or as well from 3 as Hayward. Butler was a significantly better defender as well by every metric you can use to determine these things. He had a better VORP, BPM (both offensively and defensively), had a much better On/Off +- number, etc. and despite being on a worse team, Butler actually had a larger WS (again both offensively and defensively).
Jimmy Butler didn't make the 3rd Team All NBA because he won a popularity contest with Gordon Hayward. He made the 3rd Team All NBA because he had a better season, which he had because he was a better player.
Jimmy Butler was better than Gordon Hayward before Hayward got hurt and barring injury he will be better after Hayward got hurt as well.