The NBA is too all in on gambling.

[Roy H.]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

Wow.  So casinos can get away with cancelling your 500:1 odds if it looks like there may be a payout?!  Or even afterward?

Blame the regulators.

[BitterJim]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

The gambling businesses are betting on their own  tactics ,  lies , shady double talk rules will allow them to screw lucky legit winners.  They hope these people won’t have the wherewithal to rebuke and report crooked dealings to authorities. These establishments should have their licenses revoked and shut down after so many such practices within a certain period of operation.

It shouldn't come down to being shut down, the state regulators should be forcing them to pay the winnings. This is the exact sort of thing that the regulators are there for (and a perfect example of why just indiscriminately weakening/eliminating regulating bodies isn't good)

[BitterJim]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

Wow.  So casinos can get away with cancelling your 500:1 odds if it looks like there may be a payout?!  Or even afterward?

Blame the regulators.

The regulators deserve a lot of the blame, but let's not let the sportsbooks themselves off the hook. You know, personal responsibility.

[liam]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

Wow.  So casinos can get away with cancelling your 500:1 odds if it looks like there may be a payout?!  Or even afterward?

Blame the regulators.

The regulators deserve a lot of the blame, but let's not let the sportsbooks themselves off the hook. You know, personal responsibility.

Don't let the NBA off the hook. They are promoting the hell out of sports betting.

[liam]

This is not going to be an isolated thing:

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/4/2/24117626/jontay-porter-nba-gambling-scandal-player-props

[bdm860]

From the article liam posted:

If Porter is indeed found to have run afoul of the rules, the NBA will likely make an example of him in an effort to discourage other players from attempting something similar, as other sports have done: The NFL suspended wide receiver Calvin Ridley for a full season in 2022 for betting on NFL games.

I'm not really into other sports, but this part is shocking to me.  Only one year?  I thought this was a lifetime ban crime a la Pete Rose, Roger Brown, Connie Hawkins (though he was reinstated), etc.  Looking up Ridley, it doesn't look like he bet on his team but not on games he actually played in (he was on the injured list), so I suppose that's not as bad of an offense.

If guilty, I'd be shocked if it's not a lifetime ban for Porter.

[liam]

From the article liam posted:

If Porter is indeed found to have run afoul of the rules, the NBA will likely make an example of him in an effort to discourage other players from attempting something similar, as other sports have done: The NFL suspended wide receiver Calvin Ridley for a full season in 2022 for betting on NFL games.

I'm not really into other sports, but this part is shocking to me.  Only one year?  I thought this was a lifetime ban crime a la Pete Rose, Roger Brown, Connie Hawkins (though he was reinstated), etc.  Looking up Ridley, it doesn't look like he bet on his team but not on games he actually played in (he was on the injured list), so I suppose that's not as bad of an offense.

If guilty, I'd be shocked if it's not a lifetime ban for Porter.

I agree. If he bet on NBA games it should be a lifetime ban.

[Donoghus]

To me, there is different layers to gambling.

Rose was managing so he had a direct influence on lineups and games. So he could swing money lines, spreads etc...

Correct me if I'm wrong but Ridley was betting on games that involved his team but not him.  So presumably money line, over/under, spread, stuff like that.  He had no control on that although you can argue he had inside knowledge of stuff.

Porter seemingly was involved in some manipulation with prop bets. It's not point shaving per se but its fixing/manipulation. 

So not all gambling scandals are the same.  But I certainly think what Rose & Porter did was more egregious than Ridley.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I am not a fan of all this gambling. I don't need to see the lines during the games. I don't need to hear about all the prop bets. All this focus on gambling calls into question the integrity of the game.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/killing-youth-america-calls-crackdown-110013186.html

like people have no bet sports for decades. you just did not see it so you did not think it was going on. trust me. it was. it is just more mainstream now.  i love it as i do well especially on MLB and NHL wagering. i'll dab a little into NBA if i see a opportunity. 

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

The more gambling changes the more it stays the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/hit-three-monster-bets-then-153339808.html

Wow.  So casinos can get away with cancelling your 500:1 odds if it looks like there may be a payout?!  Or even afterward?

Blame the regulators.

no they should not be able to do that. they should be busted if so. i have never heard of that happening. what CAN happen though is sportsbooks get tired of losing to you and lower your amounts. which is why many including myself still have offshore accounts also. this has been happening with fanduel and draft kings. gambling is legal in my state but you have to show you are in this state to use the american books. exactly why i have books in curacao and costa rica. plus the limit issues also if you win too much.

[celticsclay]

Curious if people are legitimately concerned about refs being on the take for gambling now or we are just seeing incompetence/a very difficult game to ref. One thing to think about, NBA refs have salaries between 150k and 500k. Are they more vulnerable to a money offer than most players?

[Roy H.]

Curious if people are legitimately concerned about refs being on the take for gambling now or we are just seeing incompetence/a very difficult game to ref. One thing to think about, NBA refs have salaries between 150k and 500k. Are they more vulnerable to a money offer than most players?

As always, the scary thing is that there's really no way to tell simply via observation.  Donaghy was intentionally influencing games for at least four seasons, and nobody in the league office had any suspicion.

We've got to rely on law enforcement and the casinos' own algorithms.  It's so easy for a ref to affect point spreads and certain prop bets.

[Moranis]

While gambling is more prevalent, that might also make it less likely to see big fixing of games.  Most of the new gamblers are casual, but with all the new gamblers and tax money, there is a lot more federal oversight so it could actually lead to less of this stuff than was happening before. Also far more likely to catch it and for it to be known widely.

I do think eliminating prop bets for college players makes some ense as that is where you may see it (especially over multi days).

[celticsclay]

While gambling is more prevalent, that might also make it less likely to see big fixing of games.  Most of the new gamblers are casual, but with all the new gamblers and tax money, there is a lot more federal oversight so it could actually lead to less of this stuff than was happening before. Also far more likely to catch it and for it to be known widely.

I do think eliminating prop bets for college players makes some ense as that is where you may see it (especially over multi days).

I agree with you that are certainly some benefits of it being legal including government officials overlooking things for discrepancies. I probably don’t agree that we are less likely to see fixing of games at some level because the volume of money moved is just so much higher than it was for offshore books. Even people that did it professionally before legalization would not keep 100k in an account because the websites could literally shut down
At anytime for any reasons and the users would have no recourse because they were doing an illegal activity (this sadly happened to many professional poker players when the sites were all shut down one day and only some of them got their money back). I don’t think we will see overt fixing of games but more stuff like what Porter did occasionally happen. If his friend wasn’t such an idiot trying to make an 88k bet on him that paid 1 million and did 5k to win 10k he probably would have got away with it. If a ref making 150k was offered 15k to get Jokic in foul trouble during a regular season game that would be a lot less likely to get anyone caught and joker wouldn’t even be aware it happened.

[SHAQATTACK]

All of America is TOO all in on gambling, or at least the amount. Of gambling companies and commercials are eclipsing male help  type products .

People who seem to like betting are folk that shouldn't be wasting money , they should spend first for health of their  children, shelter , gas and other essentials. It screws with their priorities.  I don’t think encouraging them is good.