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Title: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: jbpats on February 03, 2018, 03:13:24 PM
Just bored on a Saturday so don’t rip my head off at the notion of dumping everyone’s new favorite Celtic.

Proposal:
T. Rosé, Lakers pick and maaaybe the Grizzlies pick
For
Devin Booker

Why we do it?
Obvious answer we have Kyrie and need more scoring. He is also a good fit in terms of the  youth/vet ratio we have right now.

Why Phoenix does it?
They’re terrible, they’ll get a solid young starter in T. Rosé and two more near guaranteed lottery picks  over the next few years.

I also like the idea of Jalen coming off the bench, I think he’d be a helliva sixth man who covers multiple positions.

2018-19 starting 5:

Kyrie
Booker
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 03, 2018, 03:18:54 PM
(1) Suns would never do that
(2) Well-rounded teams need talented role players. There’s only one ball. A guy like Rozier who doesn’t need the ball in his hand all the time, is an incredible rebounder, and clearly well-liked is more valuable than he appears.
(3) As of now, the year Booker would be up for a new contract we’ll likely have to offer Jaylen Brown a max contract. The next year we’ll have to offer Tatum the same. We don’t have enough money!
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: KGs Knee on February 03, 2018, 03:19:27 PM
I don't think that would be enough for the Suns to move Booker.

And I don't think Booker and Kyrie would be a particularly great match anyway. Booker has never played a lick of defense in his entire life, and is even more ball-dominant than Kyrie.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Kuberski33 on February 03, 2018, 03:40:01 PM
You can't say you're selling high till you know what his true potential is and we don't.  He's still improving - rapidly.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: GRADYCOLNON on February 03, 2018, 11:15:28 PM
Selling high would be this summer.  We need him right now.  We may not need him next season depending on what he's worth. 
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Bucketgetter on February 03, 2018, 11:34:20 PM
(1) Suns would never do that
(2) Well-rounded teams need talented role players. There’s only one ball. A guy like Rozier who doesn’t need the ball in his hand all the time, is an incredible rebounder, and clearly well-liked is more valuable than he appears.
(3) As of now, the year Booker would be up for a new contract we’ll likely have to offer Jaylen Brown a max contract. The next year we’ll have to offer Tatum the same. We don’t have enough money!
It’s certainly too early to be declaring both Brown and Tatum deserving of max contracts.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Geo123 on February 05, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
I don't think that would be enough for the Suns to move Booker.

And I don't think Booker and Kyrie would be a particularly great match anyway. Booker has never played a lick of defense in his entire life, and is even more ball-dominant than Kyrie.

He is the only piece they're building around.  They don't answer the phone with that offer...
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: saltlover on February 05, 2018, 05:20:12 PM
(1) Suns would never do that
(2) Well-rounded teams need talented role players. There’s only one ball. A guy like Rozier who doesn’t need the ball in his hand all the time, is an incredible rebounder, and clearly well-liked is more valuable than he appears.
(3) As of now, the year Booker would be up for a new contract we’ll likely have to offer Jaylen Brown a max contract. The next year we’ll have to offer Tatum the same. We don’t have enough money!
It’s certainly too early to be declaring both Brown and Tatum deserving of max contracts.

Only slightly too early.  Given their age, draft pedigree, current production, and year-to-year growth in the case of Brown, about the only way they aren't getting a max deal, or at least within about 5% of one, is if either suffer a major injury between now and extension time.  Let’s hope thats not the case.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: libermaniac on February 05, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
TP for creative thinking.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Phantom255x on February 05, 2018, 06:49:13 PM
Have to admit, I came into this thread thinking of rolling my eyes after how good Rozier has looked lately, we're seriously considering trading him now, but this is actually not a horrible idea.

Still don't think PHO would even consider it though, and I honestly don't know if Booker and Kyrie can co-exist together.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: diconzo on February 05, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
You can't say you're selling high till you know what his true potential is and we don't.  He's still improving - rapidly.

This. It’s impossible to claim selling high when an assets’ long term value is still TBD.

Don’t wanna end up like those people who sold amazon stock from 2000-2010.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Irish Stew on February 05, 2018, 07:09:25 PM
Interesting, but as the LA pick looks less and less likely to be conveyed to us and looks likely to wind up as the SAC pick in 2019, I don't think Phoenix would even consider waiting. TP
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: vjcsmoke on February 13, 2018, 11:50:00 AM
Haha.  They are not giving us Booker.  But I'd love this trade if it happens, which shows why Phoenix doesn't do it.  Now if you mention Jaylen Brown's name too, they might not hang up right away.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: coffee425 on February 15, 2018, 09:42:29 AM
though i don't agree with the trade, i do think rozier's trade value this summer will attract some bidders. easy 1st round pick trade
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Monkhouse on February 16, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Booker and Kyrie can absolutely co-exist as a back court, but they are gonna be woefully awful on defense. Booker needs the ball in his hands, but he's also an excellent shooter/scorer. The problem is Booker and Kyrie both like to score, and take the last shot. So it really does come down to whether or not you firmly believe Booker is willing to commit to defense.

A better trade would be Jaylen Brown+ T-Roz, and 2 first round picks.

Allows Smart to PG/SG as a sixth man, and allows Booker to have free space on the floor during the 1st and 2nd unit to ball handle.

I also forget Booker is only 21, and while his team isn't that good. He's already putting up similar numbers to Kyrie, and is only 0.2 APG behind Kyrie's.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: droopdog7 on February 18, 2018, 11:20:44 AM
The answer is no but not because of reasons people think.  Assets will have to be consilidtaed, not the other way around.  We can’t pay max money to Tatum, Brown, booker, kyrie, and  Hayward down the line.  And that’s probably what it would take to keep them.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 18, 2018, 11:29:22 AM
Bored, I would say, you're daydreaming with that trade.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Erik on February 18, 2018, 11:53:23 AM
I think it's too much for Booker. He's definitely an offensive talent but he's also a rather large defensive liability. You'd be giving up two good draft picks and a good starting rotational player (on teams not as deep as us). I just think that if we give up the Lakers pick it should be for a franchise caliber player. I don't see Booker as a long term franchise changer. He's just a flashy guy that looks good on a crappy team, but where are the win shares? He has 2 WS on an 18 win team playiing 35 minutes a game. That's just not good enough to warrant 2 top picks and a good player.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Csfan1984 on February 18, 2018, 03:01:57 PM
I would not mind a trade of Rozier if Smart is resigned. But I don't think Booker is available.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 18, 2018, 03:07:19 PM
I think Devin Booker is overrated, but he's still 21 years old putting up 24/4/5 on a rookie contract.

He's Phoenix's foundational piece. He's not going anywhere for that garbage package.
Title: Re: Idea: sell high on Rozier
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 18, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
just sell