Kemba to Chicago idea, edit for others

[Darth_Yoda]

Chicago asked about him, so here is the offer.

Kemba and Romeo to Chicago
Kemba
White
OPJ
Lauri
WCJr

Lavine and edwards to Orlando
Fultz
Lavine
Fournier
Isaac(Aminu)
Vucevic

Aaron Gordon, Satoransky and Hutchinson to Celtics
Gives celtics a defensive upgrade to starting lineup and a vet off the bench. Move gives them more tradeable salaries (Thomas is only 5 mill guaranteed next year) moving forward as well.

Smart/Teague/PP
Brown/Sato/Hutchinson
Tatum/Nesmith
Gordon/GrantW/Semi
Thompson/Theis/Timelord

Still ahve the Hayward TPE or BAE to add depth at the sf/pf spot

EDIT

Kemba, Romeo to Dallas
James Johnson, Courtney Lee and Nate Hinton to Celtics.

Dallas runs
Kemba
Luka
Richardson
KP
Powell

Celtics run
Smart/Teague/PP
Brown/Lee/Edwards
Tatum/Nesmith/Hinton
JJ/GrantW
Thompson/Theis/Timelord

TPE for upgrade on PF depth chart

more ideas
Knicks for capspace and youth (I think I make that deal. Frank and Knox for Kemba)
Utah for Conley (sheds long term money, improves team defense)
Spurs for Demar (wants out, I make that trade too I think. Demar is an expiring, can be flipped, but as a 3rd option is a good wing playmaker?

Rockets, Westbrook to Chicago
Theis and Kemba to Houston
OPJ and WCjr to Boston

Philly for Harris
Toronto for Lowry


Minny with Romeo for Rubio and beasley

OKC for something

Detroit for Ariza plus

[SHAQATTACK]

nobody is gonna give anything much for him , why would they , he may have very limited court time left ,  i hope he can play some this year.   Guys with plastic knees don't play in the nba ,  maybe golf.   He is liable to be a two year cheerleader 2022-2023 and then maybe an assistant coach somewhere or headcoach of a college team

[Jvalin]

Fwiw, here's a quote from the Athletic:

League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1412719/

Not sure whether Zach Harper is a reliable source.

[Birdman]

Big contract with bad knees, he isn’t going anywhere

[Darth_Yoda]

nobody is gonna give anything much for him , why would they , he may have very limited court time left ,  i hope he can play some this year.   Guys with plastic knees don't play in the nba ,  maybe golf.   He is liable to be a two year cheerleader 2022-2023 and then maybe an assistant coach somewhere or headcoach of a college team

Not sure that is an big package for Kemba personally.

Lavine puts up empty stats. Thats true, but pretty sure Chicago really views Thomas as a massive deadweight to them. So that should offset any value difference between lavine and kemba.

Where do you see an overpay here?

Bret Siegel sees Lavine for Hardaway Jr and picks as a good trade. KEmba gotta be better than that right?

[Darth_Yoda]

Fwiw, here's a quote from the Athletic:

League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1412719/

Not sure whether Zach Harper is a reliable source.

I could see Chicago not wanting to give up pick number 4 for kemba, but I can see them having interest in him for Lavine swap.

Kemba
White
Williams
Lauri
WCJ

That is a really solid team. I think White is better as an offgaurd

[Darth_Yoda]

Would Lavine work in Boston?

Smart
Lavine
Brown
Tatum
Thompson

Certainly a good defensive, athletic switchable lineup

[Neurotic Guy]

I agree with Birdman and Shaq that Kemba is not at sell-high point right now.  I'm not convinced that he's going to be a cheerleader as his contract winds down. 

I have some hope that Kemba has a decent season and shows he can manage the knee -- mitigate further deterioration and manage the pain.   If he plays 60/72 games and 25-30 strong mpg -- he's got great value to this team (maybe not 30M worth of value).  I'm pretty excited about seeing how PG minutes get distributed among Kemba, Smart, Teague and Pritchard (maybe Waters).  If PP and Teague can be effective 10-15 mpg players, it reduces Kemba's load and won't require him push himself on that knee.  Get good rest after games, no back-to-backs. And a good rest before playoffs begin.  Kemba might have 2 or 3 productive seasons left. Not the first guy with a bad knee. 

[Csfan1984]

I agree that Kemba is probably untradeable. I still think there are 4 teams that might want Kemba even with the knee concerns.

Rockets, makes some sense if Westbrook goes somewhere in a three team deal. They are still in win now mode so they aren't moving Westbrook unless good talent comes back and they kind of have to move Westbrook.

Bucks if Holiday moves to SG but they lack assets. You would be getting low tier bench support for Walker. So not a great move. Like Rockets probably a three team deal.

Clippers don't really have assets either but you likely get Beverley, Zubac, Williams and fillers for Walker. Starting Beverley and Smart would be entertaining.

Jazz, they may want to move on from Conley and offer him + a 1st for Kemba. Their salary situation is going to be tight and resigning Conley and Gobert next year may be too much of a long term commitment. They might prefer two years of managing Walker over four years of managing Conley (if resigned).

[td450]

I agree with Birdman and Shaq that Kemba is not at sell-high point right now.  I'm not convinced that he's going to be a cheerleader as his contract winds down. 

I have some hope that Kemba has a decent season and shows he can manage the knee -- mitigate further deterioration and manage the pain.   If he plays 60/72 games and 25-30 strong mpg -- he's got great value to this team (maybe not 30M worth of value).  I'm pretty excited about seeing how PG minutes get distributed among Kemba, Smart, Teague and Pritchard (maybe Waters).  If PP and Teague can be effective 10-15 mpg players, it reduces Kemba's load and won't require him push himself on that knee.  Get good rest after games, no back-to-backs. And a good rest before playoffs begin.  Kemba might have 2 or 3 productive seasons left. Not the first guy with a bad knee.

That would be nice, but I don't think there is much chance he plays 60 games at those minutes, and if he did, I doubt he'd be strong for the playoffs.

From here, I hope the team learns to play without him and that they manage him to maximize his playoff value as a productive bench scorer and guy who can exploit certain matchups.

Going forward, I only care about his impact on the playoffs. I want him to help as much as he can without the team needing him to come through in the last two minutes. He can turn a few playoff games with some strong quarters. That's disappointing but still valuable.

[ChillyWilly]

I play a game with the forum which is guess the poster by the title.

I earned 15 points 

[Darth_Yoda]

I agree that Kemba is probably untradeable. I still think there are 4 teams that might want Kemba even with the knee concerns.

Rockets, makes some sense if Westbrook goes somewhere in a three team deal. They are still in win now mode so they aren't moving Westbrook unless good talent comes back and they kind of have to move Westbrook.

Bucks if Holiday moves to SG but they lack assets. You would be getting low tier bench support for Walker. So not a great move. Like Rockets probably a three team deal.

Clippers don't really have assets either but you likely get Beverley, Zubac, Williams and fillers for Walker. Starting Beverley and Smart would be entertaining.

Jazz, they may want to move on from Conley and offer him + a 1st for Kemba. Their salary situation is going to be tight and resigning Conley and Gobert next year may be too much of a long term commitment. They might prefer two years of managing Walker over four years of managing Conley (if resigned).

Jazz is an interesting option. Never thought of them.

I do think Chicago, Spurs and NYK can be on that list of teams.

Clippers - doesnt really work financially at all.

Knicks for capspace and youth (I think I make that deal. Frank and Knox for Kemba)
Utah for Conley (sheds long term money, improves team defense)
Spurs for Demar (wants out, I make that trade too I think. Demar is an expiring, can be flipped, but as a 3rd option is a good wing playmaker?

Rockets, Westbrook to Chicago
Theis and Kemba to Houston
OPJ and WCjr to Boston

Philly for Harris
Toronto for Lowry
Dallas for James Johnson, Courtney Lee and Nate Hinton (I absolutely make that deal)

Minny with Romeo for Rubio and beasley

OKC for something

Detroit for Ariza plus

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Let's just say that the Bulls are ready for a culture creating veteran.

Let's say that Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens are high on Zach Lavine.

Let's say the Bulls are ready to move on from Markannen.

In an NB2K world a deal around Markannen and Lavine for Walker makes some sense, IF you think Lavine can be part of a team offense.

It solves some cap problems.

But we don't live in a 2K world, and I'm ok with that. I like Walker a lot. I'm nervous about the knees, but Walker is a really high level player with the heart of a champion.

[Darth_Yoda]

Let's just say that the Bulls are ready for a culture creating veteran.

Let's say that Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens are high on Zach Lavine.

Let's say the Bulls are ready to move on from Markannen.

In an NB2K world a deal around Markannen and Lavine for Walker makes some sense, IF you think Lavine can be part of a team offense.

It solves some cap problems.

But we don't live in a 2K world, and I'm ok with that. I like Walker a lot. I'm nervous about the knees, but Walker is a really high level player with the heart of a champion.

It boils down the the knees I guess.

[pearljammer10]

Ew gross.

I want nothing to do with Zach Lavine.