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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: mr. dee on June 23, 2018, 01:31:55 AM
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Not saying he will develop into a better player (though it would be nice if he did), but coming out of college, he already have more skillset than the 2 had. The only question is if he have the same work ethic and intangibles those 2 have.
-Williams already have a decent ball handling skills for a big. Both Capela and Jordan never had those even now.
-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area.
-Last his is passing skills. Another skillset the 2 don't have. He's not particularly a great passer, but he have already shown flashed with his playmaking ability.
If he can reach his ceiling, all-star spot wouldn't be out of possibility.
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Imagine how annoying our bench will be to opposing teams. Smart, Williams, Morris,, theis, ojeleye all superb defending
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Imagine how annoying our bench will be to opposing teams. Smart, Williams, Morris,, theis, ojeleye all superb defending
All big, strong and mobile. Can switch onto everything. Throw Rozier in there too and you have a major headache for the league for years to come
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The Celtics built this team. They did not buy it. :angel:
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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area
Holy homerism batman!
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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area
Holy homerism batman!
Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s
Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.
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You're taking my post way out of context. I said he's a better prospect, not better player. I don't know what you find wrong about my post.
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Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any
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Easily done, like taking candy from a baby it was so easy. Look at this video on his jumpers, watch it.
You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.
You can see it clearly around the fifty second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HqP-cuS02o&feature=youtu.be
You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.
He has what is called a hitch in his jump shot which is unnecessary movement. It slows down his shot and it also extra movement hurts accuracy.
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Ghastly jump shooting numbers across two seasons at Texas A&M. Will he ever become a credible mid-range threat?
https://www.thestepien.com/robert-williams/
Has been working to extend his range, but still lacks any consistency with his jump shot ... Very poor free throw shooter who needs work on his shot mechanics ..
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams
He attempted 18 three-pointers all of last year while only making two of them. While he did happen to hit both of those threes in the last 2 games of the season, he just didn’t show the ability to hit it from there consistently.
http://basketballsocietyonline.com/robert-williams-scouting-report
More video of his jumpshot, please note the bad mechanics at the fifteen second mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNDFL7fXfEc
Lastly, Coach Brad Stevens said this
"I think that he will improve his shot and get right to work on that. But I think handling and passing, I think he'll be able to do that and continue to get better at it."
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/06/brad_stevens_boston_celtics_fi.html
This ought to tell you that the Celtics have prioritized his shot as an area of improvement.
You're the one who needs to prove your point. Perhaps you should get out more???? I can post a lot more stuff if you want more proof.
Look I want him to do well, I think he has a ton of defensive potential.
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Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any
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Easily done, like taking candy from a baby it was so easy. Look at this video on his jumpers, watch it.
You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.
You can see it clearly around the fifty second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HqP-cuS02o&feature=youtu.be
You see he is not comfortable in his jump shot and it looks awkward around the 38 second mark.
He has what is called a hitch in his jump shot which is unnecessary movement. It slows down his shot and it also extra movement hurts accuracy.
Also:
Ghastly jump shooting numbers across two seasons at Texas A&M. Will he ever become a credible mid-range threat?
https://www.thestepien.com/robert-williams/
Has been working to extend his range, but still lacks any consistency with his jump shot ... Very poor free throw shooter who needs work on his shot mechanics ..
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams
He attempted 18 three-pointers all of last year while only making two of them. While he did happen to hit both of those threes in the last 2 games of the season, he just didn’t show the ability to hit it from there consistently.
http://basketballsocietyonline.com/robert-williams-scouting-report
More video of his jumpshot, please note the bad mechanics at the fifteen second mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNDFL7fXfEc
Lastly, Coach Brad Stevens said this
"I think that he will improve his shot and get right to work on that. But I think handling and passing, I think he'll be able to do that and continue to get better at it."
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/06/brad_stevens_boston_celtics_fi.html
This ought to tell you that the Celtics have prioritized his shot as an area of improvement.
You're the one who needs to prove your point. Perhaps you should get out more???? I can post a lot more stuff if you want more proof.
Look I want him to do well, I think he has a ton of defensive potential.
Man your reaching. He has an awkward release, but it's not broken like Lonzo's or Fultz's. He didn't start playing till later in life compared to most of the picks, and he's been the defensive guy and was only asked to do that job. But he looks like he has a nice touch around the rim which is good for getting offensive rebounds.
His shot is a bit awkward, but who knows how much time people have spent with him on that. It's not Lonzo or Fultz broken, so there is a shot that he can be an average to decent shooter. And coming to Boston, he doesn't have to worry about scoring right away, he has a couple years to learn under Horford(who has an awkward shot), who dodn't start shooting how side the three point line till a few years ago.
I also love what he was saying. He knows who he is, a rebounding,defensive, shot blocking big. He's not going to go out side what he can do until he can do it, unlike some bigs who things they can shoot threes when they really can't.
I still don't know why people are crapping on this pick, he was a potential lotto pick last year. Unless some one bigger fell, we were going to get a player that was a bit raw and rough. If there is a diamond in this, who knows. If in a couple years this cat can score 10ppg get 10rpg and 2 bpg, and can hit that KG elbow bunny, not threes, just that 18-20 footer, thats a huge steal at 27.
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After doing more scouting on his shooting form, it is horrendous, but I wouldn't say he is a non-shooter like Jordan or Capella.
He just has terrible habits and consistency. He is off-balance at times. His feet are too close sometimes. His elbow sticks out. He catapults the ball. He leans back. He shoots on the way down.
All of that said, I don't think he is a non-shooter. He will need to work and he will need to correct some things (or a complete overhaul).
I like the follow through. That is the one redeeming quality.
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If he doesn't have a perfect jump shot at 20 he'll never learn. ::)
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Man your reaching. He has an awkward release,
Reaching? Yet most every draft report says his jumper is an area of weakness. I know we live in an age of fact resistant people and you're a prime example.
I love the pick, for the record, I just think that it is a area of weakness for him. No player is perfect and he has plenty of room to improve in this area. Sometimes guys who are tall and athletic are affected by the "game comes easy to me" virus. Their jumper is the last thing they develop.
Awkward release and a hitch is what he has and he needs tons of repititions to overwrite that bad muscle memory. It can be done, it just takes a tons of reps like over 500 shots a day for a few months. The fact that Brad Stevens stated they are going to address proves me right and you wrong.
"If you can have four shooters on the floor and a guy like that rolling to the rim, you can just throw it up in the air and go get it, finish it," Stevens said. "And I think that there's a lot of things that he brings to the table, but those are the things that translate sooner rather than later. As he continues to improve and improve his skill and everything else, we'll see where all that goes. But right now, he is an elite athlete and with incredible length."
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https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/06/brad_stevens_boston_celtics_fi.html
“He’ll improve his shot and get right to work on that,” said Stevens. “Handling and passing — we put a lot of time into ballhandling with our bigs from Day 1 once they get here, and into dribble hand-offs and a lot of the passing
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/celtics_take_texas_am_s_robert_williams_with_no_27_pick
On the positive side, while Williams doesn’t fit the Stevens’ mold of long-range shooting and “spacing” the floor, his ability to block shots (2.5 per game) and run the floor fills a role the Celtics currently don’t have.
Stevens intimated that Williams needs work. He also said inferred that the veterans around the room will make sure Williams does his work.
But make no mistake about it. Williams slid to the Celtics because, as one scout told me, “He is a project, at least when it comes to scoring.”
http://www.eagletribune.com/sports/national_sports/shooting-woes-not-attitude-is-why-williams-landed-in-boston/article_387d2933-4b91-5b05-8f18-b980067981df.html
I love the pick and think he will be fine. He does not need to shoot. But I don't understand the blatant hyping up of a guy's shooting when in fact, he can't shoot. I was calling you guys on your BS!
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Anthony Davis 8)
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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area
Holy homerism batman!
Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s
Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.
Are we SERIOUSLY using practice to prove a guy can shoot?!? Seriously? That’s about as meaningless as it gets.
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There's a lot wrong with his jump shot, but honestly I think the same could be said about most bigs in the NBA. Even KG didn't have a perfect shooting form. It still went in. Reggie Miller had a terrible flaw with his non shooting hand at the top of the ball instead of the side. He's one of the greatest shooters of all time. As long as the ball goes in, it doesn't really matter if it's textbook or not.
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There's a lot wrong with his jump shot, but honestly I think the same could be said about most bigs in the NBA. Even KG didn't have a perfect shooting form. It still went in. Reggie Miller had a terrible flaw with his non shooting hand at the top of the ball instead of the side. He's one of the greatest shooters of all time. As long as the ball goes in, it doesn't really matter if it's textbook or not.
This is true.
But, here we have a guy where the jump shots and FTs apparently don’t go in.
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He can't shoot and has a questionable motor. I don't see how that makes him a better prospect than Jordan or Capela. Sure there is a lot of potential there, but it will take a great deal of work for Williams and none of us know if he has the maturity to do it.
Williams was a good pick at 27 because of his upside, but I don't ever expect him to be more than a rotational piece (that is certainly good enough from a pick that late).
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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area
Holy homerism batman!
Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s
Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.
Are we SERIOUSLY using practice to prove a guy can shoot?!? Seriously? That’s about as meaningless as it gets.
holy crap everybody!!! we have allen iverson as a member of celticblog!!!!
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You're taking my post way out of context. I said he's a better prospect, not better player. I don't know what you find wrong about my post.
Perhaps, albeit inadvertently, setting unrealistic expectations? :-\
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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area
Holy homerism batman!
Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s
Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.
Are we SERIOUSLY using practice to prove a guy can shoot?!? Seriously? That’s about as meaningless as it gets.
holy crap everybody!!! we have allen iverson as a member of celticblog!!!!
https://youtu.be/KrkY6IhTd-4
https://youtu.be/Wejko7S3is0
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Plenty of guys can't shoot at age 20. But what you also look for is whether or not the basis for a decent jump shot is there, and in this case it most certainly is.
Even if he never shoots a jump sho in his whole pro career, he can still effectively space the floor by rolling to the rim as a threat to finish lobs and sucking defenders off of shooters on the perimeter. After all that's the primary offensive skill for Jordan and Capela and they are both valuable on offense.
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Ok, how about this comp......6'7" 235
College stats:19.0 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.4 tpg, 34.1 mpg, .487 FG, .424 3PT, .785 FT
Pro stats: 2.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, .3 apg, .3 tpg, 15.45 mpg, .346 FG, .320 3PT, .610 FT
In the above season, he attempted 188 field goals in 1150 minutes of play.
Still holds a couple of scoring records at his college.
Ojeleye and Williams are very different players who essentially, play different positions, but, Semi absolutely filled it up in college. Mr. Williams never filled up anything.
G league might be good for Williams as all they do is shoot. Sure, Kendrick Perkins was a great fit with the Celtics because he was on the court with three HOF shooters and All Robert Williams needs to do is impress Brad Stevens enough to get minutes before the other guys.
We can speculate, but, Robert Williams is going to have to play really hard and really want it to get minutes. Theis doesn't have anything close to William's athleticism and, without injury, would have had 8th or 9th most minutes of any Celtics player in the playoffs.
I hope he's really good. The SL lineup is going to have the most monstrous frontcourt ever.
The Bear, The Semi, The new guy
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Ojeleye and Williams are very different players who essentially, play different positions, but, Semi absolutely filled it up in college. Mr. Williams never filled up anything.
Williams filled up the stat sheet on the defensive end. He led the SEC in rebounding and blocks.
I don’t care if the kid never scores a basket outside five feet.
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Ojeleye and Williams are very different players who essentially, play different positions, but, Semi absolutely filled it up in college. Mr. Williams never filled up anything.
Williams filled up the stat sheet on the defensive end. He led the SEC in rebounding and blocks.
I don’t care if the kid never scores a basket outside five feet.
I’d be a little annoyed if he never made a free throw...
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Ok, how about this comp......6'7" 235
College stats:19.0 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.4 tpg, 34.1 mpg, .487 FG, .424 3PT, .785 FT
Pro stats: 2.7 ppg, 2.2 rpg, .3 apg, .3 tpg, 15.45 mpg, .346 FG, .320 3PT, .610 FT
In the above season, he attempted 188 field goals in 1150 minutes of play.
Still holds a couple of scoring records at his college.
Ojeleye and Williams are very different players who essentially, play different positions, but, Semi absolutely filled it up in college. Mr. Williams never filled up anything.
G league might be good for Williams as all they do is shoot. Sure, Kendrick Perkins was a great fit with the Celtics because he was on the court with three HOF shooters and All Robert Williams needs to do is impress Brad Stevens enough to get minutes before the other guys.
We can speculate, but, Robert Williams is going to have to play really hard and really want it to get minutes. Theis doesn't have anything close to William's athleticism and, without injury, would have had 8th or 9th most minutes of any Celtics player in the playoffs.
I hope he's really good. The SL lineup is going to have the most monstrous frontcourt ever.
The Bear, The Semi, The new guy
Don't you think it's a little unfair to compare the both, since Semi Ojelye was 22, when he got drafted, plus initially in his first two years on the Duke roster, he barely saw any minutes averaging a combined 7.2 MPG?
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So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
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Not sure as to which gif to use, here, so I'll just post them both ;D -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
Danny Ainge doesn’t properly value guards with no recognisable NBA skills would be more appropriate now
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Not sure as to which gif to use, here, so I'll just post them both ;D -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
Is it possible to get 10 TP's off a single post?
KO!
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Not sure as to which gif to use, here, so I'll just post them both ;D -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
TP
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Not sure as to which gif to use, here, so I'll just post them both ;D -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
BOOM!
TP!
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how about is he a better prospect than Jordan Bell was?
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Not sure as to which gif to use, here, so I'll just post them both ;D -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
Yeah, because prior to this selection, Ainge never addressed the rebounding problem, but honestly, yes, I was thinking about changing my sig in the aftermath of him drafting Williams. I'm just not sure as to what I should put in its place as of right now :-\.
As for my complaining about the pick, well, I'm not the guy with the poor work ethic, questionable motor, and possible problems pertaining to the health of my knee(s) who did nothing to dispel concerns owing to his character/maturity by oversleeping his very first introduction to the Boston media, etc., via a mandatory conference call ::).
Finally, when it comes to Rawle Alkins and Justin Patton, at least I'll never have to worry about them insofar as motor and work ethic are concerned, as opposed to our 27th overall selection, this year ;).
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how about is he a better prospect than Jordan Bell was?
Yes. Coming into the league younger, is more athletic, has better physical measurables, and was just as productive as Bell despite playing less minutes and being misused at A&M, unlike Bell who was used perfectly
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Not sure as to which gif to use, here, so I'll just post them both ;D -
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif)
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif)
So, to recap, your signature is basically just you complaining about DA not valuing rebounding.
Then DA drafts the best rebounding option possible, maybe the guy with the best rebounding upside he’s ever picked, and you’re complaining about it more than any other Celtics fan.
Then just for reference, Alkins the guy you wanted at #28 went undrafted, and your big man binkie Patton is an awful rebounder compared to a Williams.
Seems like you don’t want to update your views on Williams, so maybe it’s time to update the sig?
Danny Ainge doesn’t properly value guards with no recognisable NBA skills would be more appropriate now
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I think skill can be developed and honed, a guy with athletic potential always has more chance to be special than a skilled guy who is not athletic. The real issue will they work as hard because the skilled guy who is not athletic usually knows where their bread is buttered and work very hard. Sully is a rare example of a guy who was skilled but not athletic who did not understand this matter. If Robert comes in willing to work and learn he will be fine but his ceiling is a lot higher and his floor is a lot lower because of the athletic thing. It is all up to him and the coaches pushing his buttons.
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-Not exactly a great shooter, but Williams can also hit mid-range shots occasionally. His mechanics doesn't look broken either. The 2 can't also score outside the painted area
Holy homerism batman!
Prove me wrong. Can both Capela and DJ hit mid-range shots? I rarely see either of them spot up some mid-range shots if there's any.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVr6qln44cQ&t=1s
Skip to 5:35 and you can see him hitting long range jumpers consistently in the shootaround. He maybe raw, but he's not one-dimensional offensively.
Are we SERIOUSLY using practice to prove a guy can shoot?!? Seriously? That’s about as meaningless as it gets.
holy crap everybody!!! we have allen iverson as a member of celticblog!!!!
https://youtu.be/KrkY6IhTd-4
https://youtu.be/Wejko7S3is0
iverson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
simmons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6UZvdYzzrY
o'neil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_8_7gorEug
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