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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: jpotter33 on September 23, 2017, 02:05:39 PM
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After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
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With the lottery reform potentially coming and now new york gutted, yeah. But kanter isn't Terrible
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I'm not sure how this trade effects the Lakers. Even before the Melo trade, OKC was going to be heavily favored to beat up LA. If anything this might hurt the LA pick we have because the Knicks are that much worse.
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Yes and it drastically increase our chance for getting KP cause now he is in losing hell forever
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After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
The Lakers look to me to be by far the best team out of all the teams listed.
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After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
The thing about playing in a harder division is that it doesn't actually decrease expected wins all that much. Every team plays everyone else twice, so 58/82 games are identical between all teams. This means that even playing in a tougher conference only makes maybe 2 wins difference all else being equal. We may have to hope for injury problems or lottery luck for the LA pick to convey.
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After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
The thing about playing in a harder division is that it doesn't actually decrease expected wins all that much. Every team plays everyone else twice, so 58/82 games are identical between all teams. This means that even playing in a tougher conference only makes maybe 2 wins difference all else being equal. We may have to hope for injury problems or lottery luck for the LA pick to convey.
Lakers strength of schedule was 3rd hardest in the league
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After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
The Lakers look to me to be by far the best team out of all the teams listed.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Suns or Sacramento finish above LAL. The suns should get a little better due to their young players getting older, Bledsoe still being great, and Jackson is great at all of the little things. He's kind of like a 6'8 hyper athletic smart at affecting the game.
Sac is extremely young, but some of their vets should provide some strong play.
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I'm not sure how this trade effects the Lakers. Even before the Melo trade, OKC was going to be heavily favored to beat up LA. If anything this might hurt the LA pick we have because the Knicks are that much worse.
What do the Lakers have to do with this? They were in that group regardless of the Melo trade.
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
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I'm not sure how this trade effects the Lakers. Even before the Melo trade, OKC was going to be heavily favored to beat up LA. If anything this might hurt the LA pick we have because the Knicks are that much worse.
What do the Lakers have to do with this? They were in that group regardless of the Melo trade.
You are the one that brought up the LA pick.
After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
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When DA let the pick go, I felt he wasn't into draft gambling anymore. The Brooklyn pick last year got him who he wanted and kept himself relevant with the lakers pick. The protections show its either an amazing pick or nothing at all. Banking on Brooklyn losses THEN banking on the player not being a bust seems like a focus Danny really doesn't need to take on at this point. You can't worry about future prospects and AD coming for too long when you got a big 3 and two potential stars to worry about.
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I see the 2 worst teams as clearly the Bulls and the Nets. All the others the OP listed either have way better coaching and cultures, or simply better rosters. But the Nets and Bulls will be terrible.
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It was evident long before Ainge made the trade that the Knicks were going to trade Melo and suck. It is fortunate that they traded him to the WC where OKC will hurt the Lakers a bit, instead of the EC where Melo could have continued to damage the Nets and Knicks and Hawks , and allow the Lakers to look ok in comparison.
Anyway, IF the Lakers pick doesn't convey this summer, it becomes a Kings 2019 pick, and the Kings are still going to suck next year.
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
No if it doesn't covey it becomes a kings pick which is even better
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
I think its entirely possible that Ainge Preferred 2-5, rather than 2-7. There is widely believed to be 5 upper echelon prospects right now (Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Ayton, Bamba). After that there is a drop off, with this draft not being considered as deep as the last one. Ainge may very well be thinking that if he cant get a shot at one of those top 5 he'd rather have a second shot at a top five pick a year later.
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I'm not sure how this trade effects the Lakers. Even before the Melo trade, OKC was going to be heavily favored to beat up LA. If anything this might hurt the LA pick we have because the Knicks are that much worse.
What do the Lakers have to do with this? They were in that group regardless of the Melo trade.
You are the one that brought up the LA pick.
After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
Ah, gotcha. I forgot that I added that last part.
But, yeah, I was pretty much saying what you were saying, i.e. that hopefully the better West keeps them in that 2-5 range, even with more East teams now challenging for the bottom tier of teams.
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I see the 2 worst teams as clearly the Bulls and the Nets. All the others the OP listed either have way better coaching and cultures, or simply better rosters. But the Nets and Bulls will be terrible.
I definitely think there are tiers in those eight or nine teams, but I still think they're all pretty close. I think the Bulls, Nets, Hawks, and Pacers are the worst without context, but when you add in the fact that Sacramento and Phoenix are in the West, they get put into that group, too.
I think LA, NY (mainly Porzingis), and Orlando are the best three of that group, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to seen any of those three as a bottom three team at the end of the season.
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I didn't feel all that bad about losing it in the first place.
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
No if it doesn't covey it becomes a kings pick which is even better
Anyone know how the 2019 draft looks in terms of what could be available? (Yeah I know it's SUPER early)
But please don't tell me the 2019 one will have only star guards (which we have) and not big men (which we need and is available in 2018 draft) :(
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
No if it doesn't covey it becomes a kings pick which is even better
Anyone know how the 2019 draft looks in terms of what could be available? (Yeah I know it's SUPER early)
But please don't tell me the 2019 one will have only star guards (which we have) and not big men (which we need and is available in 2018 draft) :(
There's not a lot of high end talent at the big man spots at this stage of development.
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The last three years the price for "star" players has dropped. It's interesting and disturbing. Where are things heading?
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I didn't feel all that bad about losing it in the first place.
I feel or felt the same.
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Anyone know how the 2019 draft looks in terms of what could be available? (Yeah I know it's SUPER early)
Like every draft two years out, it is going to be STACKED.
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
I think its entirely possible that Ainge Preferred 2-5, rather than 2-7. There is widely believed to be 5 upper echelon prospects right now (Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Ayton, Bamba). After that there is a drop off, with this draft not being considered as deep as the last one. Ainge may very well be thinking that if he cant get a shot at one of those top 5 he'd rather have a second shot at a top five pick a year later.
I believe the trade occurred before Bagley's official reclassification into the 2018 draft although it was widely believed he would reclassify. So now the 2019 draft has most probably lost its best player and is even weaker. The 2018 draft also has Robert Williams and Miles Bridges who were potential top 10 picks in the 2017 draft but decided to go back for their sophomore season. I'm especially high on Williams who was an unheralded freshman but became a top 10 prospect while playing on a team with very poor guard play. I think there is a good chance we regret not having less protection.
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Makes no difference to me. The Nets being better than worst does nothing for the Celtics.
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I think there's a good chance the Knicks are better without Melo.
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Before the Irving trade I had the Nets as the 6th worst team with the Knicks being better. But I did put a caveat that an Anthony trade would adjust the Knicks. I don't think the Anthony trade gives the Knicks enough to keep them better than the Nets, I would move Brooklyn to the 7th worst record.
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After today's trade, there are legitimately 7 teams that could really challenge the Nets for being the worst team in the league. Atlanta, Indiana, New York, Chicago, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix are all legit challengers to that "crown," and that's not even counting teams like the Magic that could very well be in competition for the last spot, too.
Somehow Danny saw the writing on the wall with this year's Nets pick. Let's just hope that the increased competition in the West will keep LA in that bottom five group.
The Lakers look to me to be by far the best team out of all the teams listed.
You very well could be correct about LA, UNTIL Brook goes down with yet another injury!!
Smitty77
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Makes no difference to me. The Nets being better than worst does nothing for the Celtics.
I agree, the primary question should be about how well we think LAL, SAC and PHI will be doing.
But as far as anything changing impressions, the Cavs trade is done, and it's hard to imagine that Danny was forecasting things like the Melo deal when he made the Irving deal. He may have had a general (and informed) view of how BKN and LAL would be doing this year, but if the Knicks end up being terrible and pushing the Nets out of the top 3, I wouldn't say that makes the trade any different in retrospect.
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
I think its entirely possible that Ainge Preferred 2-5, rather than 2-7. There is widely believed to be 5 upper echelon prospects right now (Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Ayton, Bamba). After that there is a drop off, with this draft not being considered as deep as the last one. Ainge may very well be thinking that if he cant get a shot at one of those top 5 he'd rather have a second shot at a top five pick a year later.
I believe the trade occurred before Bagley's official reclassification into the 2018 draft although it was widely believed he would reclassify. So now the 2019 draft has most probably lost its best player and is even weaker. The 2018 draft also has Robert Williams and Miles Bridges who were potential top 10 picks in the 2017 draft but decided to go back for their sophomore season. I'm especially high on Williams who was an unheralded freshman but became a top 10 prospect while playing on a team with very poor guard play. I think there is a good chance we regret not having less protection.
I'm afraid of this as well, but I keep telling myself that if needed we can trade the SAC pick and maybe more to get into the #6-8 range.
Or that Anthony Davis won't be traded for awhile, so it might be better to have a top pick available for trade for an extra year.
But yeah, I wish the pick could convey at #6 or even #7... for now at least.
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Not Really.
The problem here is that there's still a good chance Nets Pick conveys between 6-10 at worst, and in this upcoming, deep and LOADED draft (flush with big men), selecting in that range could still get you a star-caliber player.
But with LAL Pick, your only chance is if it conveys 2-5, and now you add NYK to the "tanking competition" and they could end up being worse than LAL. If this LAL pick does not convey, it will really suck for us, and the only 1st round pick we will have this upcoming season will likely be our own high-20 pick. Need this pick to convey for a possible Anthony Davis or Porzingis trade this summer too.
I predict Lakers will be 3rd worst in the league this upcoming season but now the Knicks could legitimately challenge them too. Teams like the Pacers, Hawks, are wild cards too in that department.
Man I wish Ainge fought for better protections from the LAL Pick (like convey if 2-7, not just 2-5...)
I think its entirely possible that Ainge Preferred 2-5, rather than 2-7. There is widely believed to be 5 upper echelon prospects right now (Doncic, Porter, Bagley, Ayton, Bamba). After that there is a drop off, with this draft not being considered as deep as the last one. Ainge may very well be thinking that if he cant get a shot at one of those top 5 he'd rather have a second shot at a top five pick a year later.
I believe the trade occurred before Bagley's official reclassification into the 2018 draft although it was widely believed he would reclassify. So now the 2019 draft has most probably lost its best player and is even weaker. The 2018 draft also has Robert Williams and Miles Bridges who were potential top 10 picks in the 2017 draft but decided to go back for their sophomore season. I'm especially high on Williams who was an unheralded freshman but became a top 10 prospect while playing on a team with very poor guard play. I think there is a good chance we regret not having less protection.
The trade did occur before he officially reclassified, but there were murmurs out there before the trade that he might and ya gotta think the Celtics knew what direction it was going. Again, I don't think the 2-5 protection is a coincidence. They targeted that range because they value the 2-5 range above the King's Pick but the King's pick above the 6-10 range in this years draft. I disagree the characterization of this draft as being deep, this draft is top heavy with 2-5 being clearly better than the rets of the pack at least as things stand right now. I think the Celtics thinking is this "if we can get in the range to grab one of those top prospects than great, if not we'd rather have a pick that could land top five next year than one 6-10 this year."