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Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 05:50:03 PM »

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Heck Doc jerked his minutes around a bunch trying to capture that hot hand when he had it going. Pumping it up well beyond backup combo guard when he thought Crawford was doing good things.

Which might be the worst way to handle somebody like Crawford.  Playing him more when he's got just encourages him to jack up shots when he's cold.

The reality is that for all we believe in sports meritocracy, a lot of times players succeed for fail simply because of the situations they are in.

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Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2013, 05:56:57 PM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 06:03:17 PM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

hard to believe this is already Bradley's 4th season.  He sure has missed a bunch of time.  That, and he hardly played his rookie year (looked like a wash out).

they are both restricted, so it's not a big deal.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 06:06:54 PM »

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Heck Doc jerked his minutes around a bunch trying to capture that hot hand when he had it going. Pumping it up well beyond backup combo guard when he thought Crawford was doing good things.

Which might be the worst way to handle somebody like Crawford.  Playing him more when he's got just encourages him to jack up shots when he's cold.

Trying to play the hot hand is probably a bad idea in general, not just with Crawford.
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Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2013, 06:54:53 PM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

As I understand it, Danny was negotiating with Bradley, held off completely with Crawford.

IMO had Stevens gone with the past three years of evidence and not tried to make Bradley  a PG through the preseason, Bradley would have shown enough more for Danny to make an offer that Bradley would have accepted. Likewise, Crawford, put at the PG from the start, would have shown enough to at least get an offer from Danny--and the question would have been whether Crawford was going to accept what he was offered.

Both could have been steals if Danny had nailed them down.

However, it seems like it only took Stevens four games into his regular-season NBA coaching career to get the hang of it and position his players to their rightful roles. Thus, the overall cost of Stevens' education has been contained to those first four losses and maybe not sewing these two guys up while they were more affordable.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2013, 06:59:39 PM »

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Takes two to tango. No doubt Bradley and Crawford saw chances to shine this year with Rondo out for an extended period. It would have been very difficult for Ainge to justify salaries based on past experience that Bradley or Crawford would have seen as advantageous to sign. Both sides probably saw the advantage of allowing the market to set the price next summer, as mentioned above.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2013, 07:01:15 PM »

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Imagine the reactions on this board had Danny actually extended him.

But you gotta give the Craw credit, he really started off well in the preseason and it's carried over thus far.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2013, 07:03:38 PM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

As I understand it, Danny was negotiating with Bradley, held off completely with Crawford.

IMO had Stevens gone with the past three years of evidence and not tried to make Bradley  a PG through the preseason, Bradley would have shown enough more for Danny to make an offer that Bradley would have accepted. Likewise, Crawford, put at the PG from the start, would have shown enough to at least get an offer from Danny--and the question would have been whether Crawford was going to accept what he was offered.

Both could have been steals if Danny had nailed them down.

However, it seems like it only took Stevens four games into his regular-season NBA coaching career to get the hang of it and position his players to their rightful roles. Thus, the overall cost of Stevens' education has been contained to those first four losses and maybe not sewing these two guys up while they were more affordable.
As I said, general rule of thumb is RFAs are cheaper when the market dictates the price. Teams re not going to be throwing $10 million a year offers at these guys to lure them away. And thus most teams will avoid them as the C's can hold up the offer for a week possibly hurting another teams chances of signing someone else who is a UFA.

Baby ws convinced he was going to get a big offer his first time in FA. He settled for the 2 year, $3 million a year offer from the C's. Same thing happened to Tony Allen. Seriously doubt this not signing now costs them money.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2013, 07:22:48 PM »

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He kinda still sucked back then and was not lookin like apossible keeper

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 07:25:30 PM »

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The asking price for Crawford was Barbosa who was injured for the year. Pretty much no one wanted this guy so offering an extension would seem odd.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 04:42:00 AM »

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never envisioned Crawford as a PG.

Am I imagining things or do the Celtics actually look pretty good with JC at the point?

Now the question is, does Crawford become trade bait at the deadline, or do we try to extend him after this season is over?

PS Anybody seen this garbage trade proposal? 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boston-celtics-trade-jordan-crawford-miami-heat-191600138--nba.html?pt=BureoF4GVB

Why would the Celtics try to help the Heat to another Championship when all they can offer is broken down parts and the #30 overall draft pick?

Idiots! *facepalm*

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 04:54:13 AM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

I think Brooks's and Craw's extensions were straight up declined.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 05:48:04 AM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

As I understand it, Danny was negotiating with Bradley, held off completely with Crawford.

IMO had Stevens gone with the past three years of evidence and not tried to make Bradley  a PG through the preseason, Bradley would have shown enough more for Danny to make an offer that Bradley would have accepted. Likewise, Crawford, put at the PG from the start, would have shown enough to at least get an offer from Danny--and the question would have been whether Crawford was going to accept what he was offered.

Both could have been steals if Danny had nailed them down.

However, it seems like it only took Stevens four games into his regular-season NBA coaching career to get the hang of it and position his players to their rightful roles. Thus, the overall cost of Stevens' education has been contained to those first four losses and maybe not sewing these two guys up while they were more affordable.
As I said, general rule of thumb is RFAs are cheaper when the market dictates the price. Teams re not going to be throwing $10 million a year offers at these guys to lure them away. And thus most teams will avoid them as the C's can hold up the offer for a week possibly hurting another teams chances of signing someone else who is a UFA.

Baby ws convinced he was going to get a big offer his first time in FA. He settled for the 2 year, $3 million a year offer from the C's. Same thing happened to Tony Allen. Seriously doubt this not signing now costs them money.

We'll see in another 60 games.

Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2013, 05:57:38 AM »

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never envisioned Crawford as a PG.

Am I imagining things or do the Celtics actually look pretty good with JC at the point?

Now the question is, does Crawford become trade bait at the deadline, or do we try to extend him after this season is over?

PS Anybody seen this garbage trade proposal? 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boston-celtics-trade-jordan-crawford-miami-heat-191600138--nba.html?pt=BureoF4GVB

Why would the Celtics try to help the Heat to another Championship when all they can offer is broken down parts and the #30 overall draft pick?

Idiots! *facepalm*
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Re: Why Didn't We Extend Crawford?
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2013, 06:58:05 AM »

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Danny hasn't decided not to extend Bradley or Crawford. He simply delayed the decision until after the season. The only players on rookie contracts that you extend are stars, otherwise, a great majority of the time, its cheaper to let the free agency process dictate the market and sign the player later.

As I understand it, Danny was negotiating with Bradley, held off completely with Crawford.

IMO had Stevens gone with the past three years of evidence and not tried to make Bradley  a PG through the preseason, Bradley would have shown enough more for Danny to make an offer that Bradley would have accepted. Likewise, Crawford, put at the PG from the start, would have shown enough to at least get an offer from Danny--and the question would have been whether Crawford was going to accept what he was offered.

Both could have been steals if Danny had nailed them down.

However, it seems like it only took Stevens four games into his regular-season NBA coaching career to get the hang of it and position his players to their rightful roles. Thus, the overall cost of Stevens' education has been contained to those first four losses and maybe not sewing these two guys up while they were more affordable.
As I said, general rule of thumb is RFAs are cheaper when the market dictates the price. Teams re not going to be throwing $10 million a year offers at these guys to lure them away. And thus most teams will avoid them as the C's can hold up the offer for a week possibly hurting another teams chances of signing someone else who is a UFA.

Baby ws convinced he was going to get a big offer his first time in FA. He settled for the 2 year, $3 million a year offer from the C's. Same thing happened to Tony Allen. Seriously doubt this not signing now costs them money.

We'll see in another 60 games.

  Nick's probably right. If they decide they want to keep Bradley and/or Crawford not only can they negotiate with them over the summer but they can put the word out that they'll match any reasonable offer and bump up what other teams would have to offer them.